Shooting at First Baptist chuch in TX

Smiling Jane said:
My mother lived in a village in Ohio. The local bank had an exposed alarm wire and a couple of times kids climbed up and tripped the wire to see how long it would take the sheriff's department (less than 10 miles away) to arrive. The first time it was over an hour, the other nearly 45 minutes.

That little town in Texas is not likely to have gotten much police support and kept her on the phone wasting her time.
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A small town like that? The police station is probably just down the road.

You also have to consider first responders that can save lives of those injured not just the police.
 

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Camper6 said:
A small town like that? The police station is probably just down the road.

You also have to consider first responders that can save lives of those injured not just the police.
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It isn't really a town at all, but an unincorporated rural community without its own police force. They have to rely on the county sheriff and the Texas Rangers, from what I have read.
 
Part of the problem with sheriff's departments is that they sometimes serve an extensive geographical area and they always have many varied responsibilities. They might be helping a rancher get his cows out of the road when they get a call that some gang-bangers have started a gunfight on the other side of the county. People learn not to depend on them if they need help fast.
 

So what is the answer? You go to church to pray and hope someone there is armed just in case?

What chance do you have if someone comes in with a semi automatic weapon?

Gun owners will simply not believe that the problem is with the proximate cause. The weapon. They want to focus on the shooter instead. I'm afraid that's not working out so hot.
 
Camper6 said:
So what is the answer? You go to church to pray and hope someone there is armed just in case?

What chance do you have if someone comes in with a semi automatic weapon?

Gun owners will simply not believe that the problem is with the proximate cause. The weapon. They want to focus on the shooter instead. I'm afraid that's not working out so hot.
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This guy could also have a rammed a truck into the crowd as they were leaving the church...no?
 
CeeCee said:
This guy could also have a rammed a truck into the crowd as they were leaving the church...no?
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Absolutely and that's always an option. But trucks are designed for transportation not killing people. But guns are designed for killing and somehow that seems to be the weapon of choice.

By the way. He left his truck running for a quick getaway, so if he rammed the truck, how would he get away?

That's usually the terrorist method because they plan on committing suicide. It's their religion.
 
I'm sure they see it as going out in a blaze of glory, like a scene from the shoot everyone in sight action movies they love. Aren't they all little Rambos at heart?
 
Camper6 said:
So what is the answer? You go to church to pray and hope someone there is armed just in case?

What chance do you have if someone comes in with a semi automatic weapon?

Gun owners will simply not believe that the problem is with the proximate cause. The weapon. They want to focus on the shooter instead. I'm afraid that's not working out so hot.
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I've yet to see a firearm kill a bunch of people without some idiot pulling the trigger. Mine always stay exactly where I put them.
 
Warrigal said:
Hmmm. That does sound a bit odd. Is it accurate? What was the source?
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This is strange. I read it. I cannot find anything out about the daughter's role anymore. No interviews. Nothing. Even the timelines are sketchy. There was a video from inside the church. It won't be released to the public I don't think.

what I did read is that they don't want a media circus and just want to deal with recovering from the tragedy.
 
SifuPhil said:
When you consider the common belief (borne out by experience) that "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away", it might not appear to be so odd.
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When seconds count the police are only minutes away I figure more than one person called 911 but they weren't there yet when that hero shot him chased him down and potentially stopped a lot more people getting killed that day or another day in the future.
 
The hero did I good job but he got there to late to save anyone in the church. Apparently the video is horrendous. It shows him walking up and down the aisle and killing the wounded execution style, even children.

But calling 911 is the right thing to do because the sooner the first responders can get there the more lives have a chance of being saved.

There's no evidence he was going anywhere else. He dropped his rifle and he was wounded.

I just can't see how you can make America Great Again when those massacres occur and nothing is done to prevent them.
 
Camper6 said:
The hero did I good job but he got there to late to save anyone in the church. Apparently the video is horrendous. It shows him walking up and down the aisle and killing the wounded execution style, even children.

But calling 911 is the right thing to do because the sooner the first responders can get there the more lives have a chance of being saved.

There's no evidence he was going anywhere else. He dropped his rifle and he was wounded.

I just can't see how you can make America Great Again when those massacres occur and nothing is done to prevent them.
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Well I think America is already great so Again is redundant. And this is a massacre. http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/24/africa/egypt-sinai-mosque-attack/index.html
 
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