Shooting in Vegas

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Warrigal said:
Yes, I understand now that he did not have all of these guns when he moved in. I'm not blaming the retirement village. It is just that the very idea of guns in retirement homes came as a complete shock to me. But I live in Australia and we have a lot less guns around. We've just concluded our latest amnesty period when weapons can be handed in to the police with no questions asked. They are then destroyed to avoid them being sold on the black market. It is voluntary and does not remove all illegal guns but it helps.

I know I risk offending people who are in shock by even talking about guns now but ever since Sandy Hook the catch cry has been, "Now is not the time to talk about this". However that was nearly 5 years ago. When will it be time to be serious about this monstrous problem? Camper has said that the genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back. That is pessimistic thinking in my opinion. An optimist looks at a difficult problem and asks "How can we make things better?". Then looks for practical approaches to that end.
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Compared to the number of guns already out there and each state having their own laws and the Constitution.

Australia getting amnesty on guns was a piece of cake.

I understand now that he did not have all of these guns when he moved in. I'm not blaming the retirement village. It is just that the very idea of guns in retirement homes came as a complete shock to me
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It's not a shock to me. He lives in Nevada.
 

Camper6 said:
The problem has been addressed. It's the Constitution in the United States. There's no way they will do what they did in Australia in the United States.
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IMO the Constitution is not the problem. It is the interpretation of its intent that is. If the people who framed it were alive today, do you really suppose that they would look upon recent massacres calmly, or would they seek to amend the wording of the second amendment to clarify their intent?

Each nation must find its own solutions to problems. Doing nothing rarely solves anything.
Australia is different to America for many reasons, including history and geography.
What works for us will not necessarily work elsewhere.
Step one is always to recognise that there is a problem and to examine it rationally.
 
I don't understand why the news media keep emphasizing that he was a multimillionaire. So what? His bank account seems totally irrelevant to me. Nut cases come in all sizes, shapes, and colors, with all sorts of bank balances.
 

Warrigal said:
IMO the Constitution is not the problem. It is the interpretation of its intent that is. If the people who framed it were alive today, do you really suppose that they would look upon recent massacres calmly, or would they seek to amend the wording of the second amendment to clarify their intent?
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It is the problem. They aren't alive. You can't use that criterion on the Constitution. It doesn't work.




Each nation must find its own solutions to problems. Doing nothing rarely solves anything.
Australia is different to America for many reasons, including history and geography.
What works for us will not necessarily work elsewhere.
Step one is always to recognise that there is a problem and to examine it rationally.
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Trust me. They recognize the problem. Have you ever heard of the NRA? You sound like a school teacher. To examine it rationally.? It has been examined to death. Read up on it.
 
a) I have heard of the NRA and really don't need to read up about them,
b) I am a school teacher which is why Sandy Hook affected me so acutely and
c) the problem needs to be addressed further by people who have the wisdom and the courage to take action.
 
Sunny said:
I don't understand why the news media keep emphasizing that he was a multimillionaire. So what? His bank account seems totally irrelevant to me. Nut cases come in all sizes, shapes, and colors, with all sorts of bank balances.
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I wondered the same thing, but maybe it's because he can't claim he was economically oppressed by any group or faction. So far we've been told he was a lone wolf and not affiliated with any political group, and that he was wealthy. He doesn't seem to fit any of the demographics we usually expect for terrorists. These lone shooters are scary because they are so unexpected and unpredictable.

The photos I saw of the place where he lived didn't look like a retirement village, not any that I've ever known. He lived in an individual home and it looked like all of his neighbors did too. It actually looked like a regular neighborhood.

His brother said when he helped him move in, he had maybe one or two long rifles, not that arsenal he took to the city.
 
Warrigal said:
a) I have heard of the NRA and really don't need to read up about them,
b) I am a school teacher which is why Sandy Hook affected me so acutely and
c) the problem needs to be addressed further by people who have the wisdom and the courage to take action.
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It's like in Canada. Inquiry after inquiry. Recommendations after recommendations and nothing changes.

What you don't get is that the problem has been addressed hundreds if not thousands of times.
 
Smiling Jane said:
I wondered the same thing, but maybe it's because he can't claim he was economically oppressed by any group or faction. So far we've been told he was a lone wolf and not affiliated with any political group, and that he was wealthy. He doesn't seem to fit any of the demographics we usually expect for terrorists. These lone shooters are scary because they are so unexpected and unpredictable.

The photos I saw of the place where he lived didn't look like a retirement village, not any that I've ever known. He lived in an individual home and it looked like all of his neighbors did too. It actually looked like a regular neighborhood.

His brother said when he helped him move in, he had maybe one or two long rifles, not that arsenal he took to the city.
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He was a multimillionaire. As such he could afford to buy all the weapons he ever wanted and any type he wanted.
 
It looks like one little thing they could at least do is start using collapsible fences around concerts. All day long I've heard horror stories about not being able to get over "the fence," or putting ramps up to get over the fence, not being able to find the gate. I know that's treating a symptom, not the disease, but just a thought...
 
If somebody wants a gun (of ANY kind) ; they're going to get one, one way or another; buy it; steal it, or even MAKE it.

MY concern is to protect MY kids from being a target, as I mentioned in another thread. And I iterate; Stay out of crowds.

It seems that todays kids think it's fun to get into a mosh pit under a stage where their "idols" are "entertaining".

I'm sure you've seen the pictures; There's NO means of escape if trouble arises! Maybe this why so many people died

in Las Vegas. Trade is right; he said that he'd never put himself in that kind of a situation.

But todays' kids think of following the crowd regardless of the outcome.

End of rant #2.
 
If Sandy Hook could not result in change nothing ever will.
Americans will just keep shooting each other til they are all dead and the country is destroyed.
 
So far, this Las Vegas shooting makes absolutely no sense. This shooter doesn't appear to fall into Any category that one would suspect might lead to trouble....and That is the really scary part of this tragedy. I hope in coming days, the authorities can find some reason behind this lunatics actions....if not, we are entering a new realm of potential mayhem.
 
A brain tumor was found on autopsy of Charles Whitman, the shooter in the 1966 U. of TX Tower mass shootings. He was another 'could be your next door neighbor' type. Wonder if ..............
 
Don M. said:
So far, this Las Vegas shooting makes absolutely no sense. This shooter doesn't appear to fall into Any category that one would suspect might lead to trouble....and That is the really scary part of this tragedy. I hope in coming days, the authorities can find some reason behind this lunatics actions....if not, we are entering a new realm of potential mayhem.
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I thought the same thing when Elliott Rodger killed 6 people in Isla Vista CA because the kind of beautiful girls he wanted weren't interested in him. Before he went on his killing spree, Rodger created a YouTube channel titled "Why do girls hate me so much?"in which he asked, "I don't know why you girls are so repulsed by me. It doesn't make sense," Rodger said. "I do everything I can to appear attractive to you. I dress nice, I'm sophisticated. I'm magnificent. I have a nice car, a BMW. Well, it's nicer than 90 percent of the people in my college."

It obviously doesn't take much to set these guys off. Makes me wonder if they all have some form of CTE.
 
NancyNGA said:
It looks like one little thing they could at least do is start using collapsible fences around concerts. All day long I've heard horror stories about not being able to get over "the fence," or putting ramps up to get over the fence, not being able to find the gate. I know that's treating a symptom, not the disease, but just a thought...
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There were fences. They got pushed down and trampled over in the escape.
Now you have to worry about the copy cats .
 
ISIS Claims Him As One of Their Own

"The Islamic State Group said the worst mass shooting in recent US history was perpetrated by one of its "soldiers," claiming that Paddock had converted to Islam in recent weeks and carried out the attack in its name."

It's difficult to believe that ISIS would lie about something that would destroy their credibility if it were exposed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/stephen-paddock-retired-accountant-vegas-gunman-150558606.html
 
It will be interesting to hear what his girlfriend has to say about his recent behaviour.

She is overseas and I am wondering whether she left him and that is what set him off.

Whatever it was, he must have been brewing for some time to amass his arsenal. That alone indicates planning.
 
With the sheer number of fatalities, and wounded....the perp must have been just blazing away uninterrupted for several minutes, from his vantage point. Ex cop, or ex military...maybe having been in possession of the weapon for some considerable time, as he certainly knew exactly how to use it. With an autopsy, i hope that they will be able to determine whether he was under the influence of some particular drug. Perhaps because of psychiatric problems...
 
It is unbelievable that no motive has surfaced. This guy put a LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT into this, had no plan to survive it, and he was obviously intelligent... and he didn't leave behind any clue as to why or what he was thinking? How can that be so?
 
Yes, Springer, I think this puts paid to the ISIS theory because new converts tend to be zealous and boast about their actions. It will be interesting to find out what his computer reveals.
 
Are they including skint knees and sprains among the injury's attributed to this because it sure seems like an awful lot. Not much on details, just that over 500 injured. Or are all these gunshot victims?
 
Maybe not all gunshot wounds but in the panic some will have been crushed and some may even have had heart attacks. One report did say that the death toll will rise because some of the injured are critical.
 
This is very bad and sadly a thread like this one appears
every few months and yet your Government does not one
thing to try and change things.

Why don't they steer the companies that make guns to
make something different and only make guns for the
military when they need new ones, stop all retail sales
to the general public.

I know that a lot of you will not agree with me and I can
see your point, weapons have been part of your life all of
your life. Still something needs doing and doing fast.

It is bad enough here having violence sent to us ordered
in another country, but your problem is worse as it is all
internal, another American killing Americans.

Please get some sense.

R.I.P. the dead, my condolences to the living.

Mike.
 

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