Shootings And Murders Just Continue!

DaveA said:
...Less guns, less shooting, probably more fistfights.
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I never understand these types of one size fits all solutions.
Less cars, less drunk drivers. Ban cars - problem solved?

I guess it depends on just how many freedoms your willing to give up because of the actions of others who are unstable.
 

...Less guns, less shooting, probably more fistfights.
I never understand these types of one size fits all solutions.
Less cars, less drunk drivers. Ban cars - problem solved?

This is a false equivalency, @Gardenlover . Automobiles are not designed to be killing machines, though they can be turned into them due to accidents or impaired driving.
Guns, however....
 
StarSong said:
...Less guns, less shooting, probably more fistfights.
I never understand these types of one size fits all solutions.
Less cars, less drunk drivers. Ban cars - problem solved?

This is a false equivalency, @Gardenlover . Automobiles are not designed to be killing machines, though they can be turned into them due to accidents or impaired driving.
Guns, however....
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Automobiles are not designed to be killing machines, though they can be turned into them due to accidents or impaired driving. Or in a fit of rage or used by terrorists. Kinda similar to how some nut jobs use guns, no?

@StarSong, surely your not implying that owning a gun makes a person a killer. Once a people group lose the ability to defend themselves, they begin to lose their freedoms.

Your turn. ;)

[Sigh] This type of debate is akin to politics or religion - We (and others) could go round and round without changing the other's mind. We rally behind what we feel is right and sing "Hurray for our side."
 

I was referring to their respective raisons d'être.

The primary function and intent of an automobile is transportation, not killing.
The primary function and intent of a gun is to inflict deadly harm.

That's why likening drunk driver killings with gun killings is a false equivalency. As is equating with using them to mow down a group of people.

Pretending otherwise always strikes me as dishonest and disingenuous.
 
StarSong said:
I was referring to their respective raisons d'être.

The primary function and intent of an automobile is transportation, not killing.
The primary function and intent of a gun is to inflict deadly harm.

That's why likening drunk driver killings with gun killings is a false equivalency. As is equating with using them to mow down a group of people.

Pretending otherwise always strikes me as dishonest and disingenuous.
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Thanks for sharing your opinion.
 
Ruthanne said:
All this craziness makes me want to stay inside where it's safe or at least I think it's safe.
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I have to agree with you. I think about when I was young and there were few places that weren't safe to go to. The movies,school ,playing outside,playing at a park or going to a concert. Now I can't think of anyplace where you don't fear something dangerous can happen.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
The last time I had a fire arm in my hands was over 50 years ago in Navy Boot Camp. I had trouble hitting the mound of dirt behind the target. But things change. This morning I heard of this neighborhood program where cops and their families were going to be at the ice rink. The public was encouraged to come and meet them. The first thing that flashed through my mind was a bunch of unprotected cops in a enclosed arena made a great shooting opportunity. Why would I, a nonviolent pussy cat even think of such a thing? Maybe every 12 days there is a mass shooting? It's because anybody and his psychotic cousin can have access to weapons. When you have lawmakers writing stand your ground laws for fetuses, maybe the gun culture is too extreme.

Also, I don't think there is a saintliness that descends upon you if you live in the suburbs, and it does not descend on you if your zip code is in a city. Crime rates depend on the size of the population ,and the size of the community, not on heavenly intervention. There is nothing inherently saintly in your zip code.
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Yes, "Anybody and his psychotic cousin can have access to weapons." Precisely why I'm glad I have access as well.
 
StarSong said:
...Less guns, less shooting, probably more fistfights.
I never understand these types of one size fits all solutions.
Less cars, less drunk drivers. Ban cars - problem solved?

This is a false equivalency, @Gardenlover . Automobiles are not designed to be killing machines, though they can be turned into them due to accidents or impaired driving.
Guns, however....
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Yes, guns are for killing. I'm glad they are. They would be useless if they weren't. If I needed to stop someone bent on harming me or mine, I'd want instant incapacitation.
 
StarSong said:
I was referring to their respective raisons d'être.

The primary function and intent of an automobile is transportation, not killing.
The primary function and intent of a gun is to inflict deadly harm.

That's why likening drunk driver killings with gun killings is a false equivalency. As is equating with using them to mow down a group of people.

Pretending otherwise always strikes me as dishonest and disingenuous.
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The function & intent of an automobile, which is transportation doesn't make a victim of an automobile any less dead than a victim of a shooting.
 
Ok, I'll chime in, again! Where I live for 43 years is building up in the last couple of years....People are coming down from the Cities...
Can't blame them.... We have 2 Senior Citizens homes in our town....One is not very expensive but the new Senior Citizen area are very expensive....
I live near the Senior Citizens area....down the road....We don't have much robbery's in our area....It's a community that people take care of
everyone's home's, being a watch that is going on....
 
It is up to each individual to determine the inherent danger where he lives and where he travels and his culture.

I'm old, physically helpless, you come into my house at night, you will be shot (shot at anyway) I have two pistols, one with rat shot and one with regular ammo.

I live in the rural, the drug heads come out here at night, do their dope
to avoid any law. I find their syringes on the road.

Old Folks, we need to be apprehensive of anyone we do not know:
why are you here, who are you, do not fall for, 'my car broke down, can I use your phone?'

It is spooky living in this society.
 
jerry r. garner said:
It is up to each individual to determine the inherent danger where he lives and where he travels and his culture.

I'm old, physically helpless, you come into my house at night, you will be shot (shot at anyway) I have two pistols, one with rat shot and one with regular ammo.

I live in the rural, the drug heads come out here at night, do their dope
to avoid any law. I find their syringes on the road.

Old Folks, we need to be apprehensive of anyone we do not know:
why are you here, who are you, do not fall for, 'my car broke down, can I use your phone?'

It is spooky living in this society.
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I don't question people due to they could be carrying a gun and use it. If someone is broke down, we drive on by. The old days of being a Good Samaritan are basically gone. There are those that have been Good Samaritan's that have been robbed, shot and killed.
If we break down, we have cell phones to call AAA, and, if necessary, 911. During the day, we will put up the hood of our vehicle and put on emergency blinkers. At night, again raise the hood, and, if battery isn't the problem, put on emergency blinkers and put out a couple of road flares behind the vehicle. We carry a full First Aid Kit, road flares, a fire extinguisher and jumper cables.
 
Fact is that there are more people in prison in the USA than any other country in the world. I don't know why this is so. I have traveled in the US & have met many of the locals. All the people I met were pretty nice & friendly but unfortunately, the crazies make the news on a daily base. I miss the days when the only newspaper that I ever read was the "Free Press Prairie Farmer" that came to our mail box every Saturday. Reckon there are too many people, too many smartphones, too many TV stations, too many cities, too many guns, too many of everything. Glad I wouldn't be around to see how this "pony show" will end!
 
peppermint said:
Ok, I'll chime in, again! Where I live for 43 years is building up in the last couple of years....People are coming down from the Cities...
Can't blame them.... We have 2 Senior Citizens homes in our town....One is not very expensive but the new Senior Citizen area are very expensive....
I live near the Senior Citizens area....down the road....We don't have much robbery's in our area....It's a community that people take care of
everyone's home's, being a watch that is going on....
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I just got a text from my neighbor....She saw a package at my door....We are not home....She said it was raining, do you know if you are
getting a package....I didn't!!!! So her daughter went across the street in the rain and got the package....Then I called my daughter in law
and she went to pick it up....Nice to have great neighbor's and having my son and daughter in law 2 blocks away....
 
There's just too much killing going on period. Another beautiful college student was found murdered the other day. There's no respect for life. And I believe some of the T.V. shows, video games and movies have desensitized people or maybe even in some cases encouraged murderous behavior. It's a damned shame when you can't go shopping in the mall, or at the supermarket, or go to the hairdresser or movies...any regular activity, without worrying about becoming a victim. When we (Boomers and seniors) were in school, we didn't have to worry that our classes/schools would be shot up and our friends/teachers killed. Now unfortunately, it's all too common. And nobody ever thinks it will happen in their town, in their school until it does.
 
Heck, I don't even have to watch our local news to hear about daily murders. All I have to do is turn on our computer and go into the opening screen of the Internet. Murder here, murder there. Baltimore, Chicago, Los Angeles, Houston, Dallas/Ft Worth, Miami/Ft Lauderdale, Denver and so on. Domestic violence, drug deals gone bad, some young man wants the handgun of another young man and kills him for it, a mother kills her kid/kids and so on and so on.
 
Somewhere in the news, they showed a gentleman walking up is driveway, a car pulls up, a kid jumps out with a gun and robs the gentleman of his cell phone and wallet, and then speeds off.

I also think the media gives too much airtime to criminals. A bunch of sensationalism for ratings in many cases.
 
the topic, while needed, goes round and round.
Diva's post regarding we have become 'desensitized' to the killings, shootings... that's the way it is.
best you evaluate your personal danger and act accordingly.

that's a hell of a note from the society I knew as a boy and young adult.
being on guard when in a large group of people, walking in shopping mall
being watchful...
topic is good, but personal decisions are called for: to be a potential victim
or become a 'hard target.'

I go nap now:sleep:
 

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