Should We Use An Atom Bomb Against Isil?

911 said:
QS: Not true. When I was in Vietnam, we couldn't tell who was who. The NVA was not all uniformed. And, we also had to deal with the North's sympathizers. When our platoon would stumble into an un-mapped village, we would secure it and then have our interpreter/guide help us to learn who we were dealing with. (He wasn't known as an interpreter/guide, but I forget what his title was.) As a Recon platoon, our job was to search, identify and report. We were not to engage the enemy. Unfortunately, there were times when we had no choice.

I would imagine it's the same thing with the refugees. They would or may be hard to identify. Believe me, it hurts like all get out when you shoot someone that isn't who you thought it was.
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Hmmmmmm I remember that war too.... Seems to me I didn't hear anything about the Viet-cong placing suicide bombers in a Paris restaurant.. or flying 737's into skyscrapers... Or blowing up subways in London.. I must have missed that part. My point is that the enemy is NOW everywhere.. not just in Vietnam.. or Korea. It's in every country How do you fight that?
 

QuickSilver said:
Hmmmmmm I remember that war too.... Seems to me I didn't hear anything about the Viet-cong placing suicide bombers in a Paris restaurant.. or flying 737's into skyscrapers... Or blowing up subways in London.. I must have missed that part. My point is that the enemy is NOW everywhere.. not just in Vietnam.. or Korea. It's in every country How do you fight that?
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Some people just don't understand that fact no matter how many times it is pointed out. They are EVERYWHERE!
 
Ameriscot said:
Some people just don't understand that fact no matter how many times it is pointed out. They are EVERYWHERE!
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So why are sitting around and whining about how cruel we are thinking about defending ourselves? We should be joining the French and Russians in the fight to end the killing forces where they began and no laying around feeling sorry for their destruction they have brought to themselves.
 

BobF said:
So why are sitting around and whining about how cruel we are thinking about defending ourselves? We should be joining the French and Russians in the fight to end the killing forces where they began and no laying around feeling sorry for their destruction they have brought to themselves.
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As usual this makes no sense. Who is whining about how cruel we are??
 
It just occurred to me that ISIS has made a couple of mistakes recently.

The first was downing the Russian plane and the second was attacking multiple targets in Paris. Putin now seems more amenable to dealing with western countries and may welcome a political solution in Syria that does not involve or protect Assad but which gives the various rebel groups other than (ISIS) a seat at the negotiations. If this civil war can be brought to an end then it will be possible to concentrate on degrading ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

A global effort to rebuild these two countries by restoring housing and employment may even solve a lot of the refugee problem in Europe. People will return home is these is a place to live, work for the men and schools for the children.

No-one wants to return to a nuclear wasteland.
 
boozercruiser said:
This subject is just going to be discussed on the British Jeremy Vine show on BBC Radio 2 now at 12.05PM.
I have yet to listen to the discussion yet, but my immediate reaction is YES we should drop an Atom Bomb on them.

Before they blow us to Kingdom Hell first!
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After all doing just that brought to the end of World War 2.
We dropped atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and no doubt that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

But it DID end the war!

And how many British and American lives were saved by doing that?
A rough guess will be a another few hundred thousand or even millions of Us.
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I can't believe you are even asking that question. Right out of the box, it wouldn't work. You can't nuke entire deserts, and Isil is ensconced in many towns filled with basically captive innocents. Then there is the fall out problem, with radioactive clouds floating all over Europe and the Mid-East. This is not WWII. Are we going to bomb Belgium too? I'm not even going to discuss the obvious immorality of it.
 
AZ Jim said:
As you know, I am a lib but as to WW2 and the use of the bombs on Japan, you just had to be here.
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Jim is absolutely right. We've done a thread on the justification that got pretty heated with a few insults thrown around. Not going there again. I hope I have been on this forum long enough to have established myself as a compassionate human being. I grew up during WWII. As Jim said. "you had to be there". Dropping those bombs was the humane thing to do.
 
Ameriscot said:
As usual this makes no sense. Who is whining about how cruel we are??
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Just look into the mirror. All this bleeding heart stuff is nothing but whining about doing something to stop the Isis threats. Crying and supporting them is not going to help one bit. Yes we do have people to look out for but that line will only get longer till someone takes out the cause. France and Russia are giving it a good start and the US and others should join in. We do have the capability.
 
BobF said:
Just look into the mirror. All this bleeding heart stuff is nothing but whining about doing something to stop the Isis threats. Crying and supporting them is not going to help one bit. Yes we do have people to look out for but that line will only get longer till someone takes out the cause. France and Russia are giving it a good start and the US and others should join in. We do have the capability.
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Who is supporting the terrorists? You want to drop nukes on all the countries who have ISIL? Any in Arizona? Or are you mixing up refugees with terrorists?

Let me go bash my head against a wall. Talking to you is the same thing.
 
Ameriscot said:
Who is supporting the terrorists? You want to drop nukes on all the countries who have ISIL? Any in Arizona? Or are you mixing up refugees with terrorists?

Let me go bash my head against a wall. Talking to you is the same thing.
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There you go again. Twisting what is happening and then making it someone else's problems.

Your constant whining about the immigrants is the problem that you and all the bleeding hearts are doing. Totally no reason for it as the US has stated over and over that if properly screened we can take some. So far no such assurance has been gotten from our President.

We also should be with France and Russia in a much more aggressive effort to get rid of the reasons for these folks to be running.

No nuclear's needed. Just not real for someone to have posted that idea. Some of the silly things folks do get excited about.

I am more responsive to efforts to keep problems from sneaking in than to just allow an open door to all. We have many thousands that have come in through our southwest 'unattended' border. Don't need more just flown in because the President says so. The President needs do be more direct in responding to the states concerns.
 
QuickSilver said:
Hmmmmmm I remember that war too.... Seems to me I didn't hear anything about the Viet-cong placing suicide bombers in a Paris restaurant.. or flying 737's into skyscrapers... Or blowing up subways in London.. I must have missed that part. My point is that the enemy is NOW everywhere.. not just in Vietnam.. or Korea. It's in every country How do you fight that?
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You made my point for me. If we fight an enemy that is not uniformed, the soldiers do not know who they are fighting. How were we supposed to tell a North Vietnamese from a South Vietnamese? Also, there were South Vietnamese that were North Vietnamese sympathizers. So we may have walked into a village that flew the S. Vietnam flag, but that was done to try to either confuse us or to re-direct our attention. For example, we had an Army platoon walk through a village flying the S. Vietnam flag. As they exited the village, they were fired upon taking out several soldiers. The few that got away were able to report what had happened and the village was destroyed by an airstrike. A guy like Lt. Calley was court marshaled for taking no chances. He was in a lose-lose situation. I don't want to re-visit the My Lai incident again, but if you remember this event, it helps to understand this whole thing about not knowing who the enemy is or isn't.
 
Ameriscot said:
Yep, the twisted girls have more fun!
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Dear Twisted Sister.:D
Hey guys, what a cracking response this thread has had.
This has made my day.
I am so pleased that this thread I started, has given you, and perhaps others, so much fun and jollification in respect of such a serious subject.

None of you will be laughing if Isis gets in first by Nuking it's enemies though!
(That's you and me, and France and America and England by the way).

I still say Nuke the headquarters of Isil and cut the head off the snake!

Please continue to enjoy yourself Twisted Sister.
If you are happy, then I am happy too! :playful:

PS.
Some advice.
Please stop banging your head against that brick wall there.
It can leave you with brain damage you know. :cool:
 
boozercruiser said:
Dear Twisted Sister.:D
Hey guys, what a cracking response this thread has had.
This has made my day.
I am so pleased that this thread I started, has given you, and perhaps others, so much fun and jollification in respect of such a serious subject.

None of you will be laughing if Isis gets in first by Nuking it's enemies though!
(That's you and me, and France and America and England by the way).

I still say Nuke the headquarters of Isil and cut the head off the snake!

Please continue to enjoy yourself Twisted Sister.
If you are happy, then I am happy too! :playful:

PS.
Some advice.
Please stop banging your head against that brick wall there.
It can leave you with brain damage you know. :cool:
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Assuming there was any sensible reason to "cut the head off the snake" by using a nuclear device on their "headquarters". Where exactly is their "headquarters"? I'll stick with Annie and the twist.
 
AZ Jim said:
Assuming there was any sensible reason to "cut the head off the snake" by using a nuclear device on their "headquarters". Where exactly is their "headquarters"? I'll stick with Annie and the twist.
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I am so pleased to give you this information Jim...
I am getting happier by the hour here!:D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3321624/France-launches-wave-bombing-raids-Syria.html

Russia and France wreak revenge on ISIS: Putin orders his warships in Med to work with French Navy as jihadists in Syria are pummelled from the air

  • Russia launches cruise missile strikes over Raqqa, which is seen as Islamic State's capital city in Syria
  • The strikes come after it was revealed French jets had pounded targets in the terrorists' Syrian stronghold
  • Russian president Vladimir Putin has ordered his warships to work with France as 'allies' in their fight
  • Their forces carried out 34 cruise missile strikes over Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo just days after the Paris terror attacks
  • Meanwhile, France's defense minister says 10 French fighter jets are carrying out new airstrikes on Islamic State
  • Russia are also reportedly transporting paramilitary forces across Syria to fight ISIS in the Christian town of Sadad
  • See full coverage of international military action against ISIS at www.dailymail.co.uk/isis

Carry on Twisting Jim.
Is Twisted Sister a good Twisting companion then? :D

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boozercruiser said:
I am so pleased to give you this information Jim...
I am getting happier by the hour here!:D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3321624/France-launches-wave-bombing-raids-Syria.html

Russia and France wreak revenge on ISIS: Putin orders his warships in Med to work with French Navy as jihadists in Syria are pummelled from the air

  • Russia launches cruise missile strikes over Raqqa, which is seen as Islamic State's capital city in Syria
  • The strikes come after it was revealed French jets had pounded targets in the terrorists' Syrian stronghold
  • Russian president Vladimir Putin has ordered his warships to work with France as 'allies' in their fight
  • Their forces carried out 34 cruise missile strikes over Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo just days after the Paris terror attacks
  • Meanwhile, France's defense minister says 10 French fighter jets are carrying out new airstrikes on Islamic State
  • Russia are also reportedly transporting paramilitary forces across Syria to fight ISIS in the Christian town of Sadad
  • See full coverage of international military action against ISIS at www.dailymail.co.uk/isis

Carry on Twisting Jim.
Is Twisted Sister a good Twisting companion then? :D
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May I ask what makes you think WE are not just as happy as you are that Russia and France are opening the whoop-ass can? I'm thrilled..
 
boozercruiser said:
I am so pleased to give you this information Jim...
I am getting happier by the hour here!:D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3321624/France-launches-wave-bombing-raids-Syria.html

Russia and France wreak revenge on ISIS: Putin orders his warships in Med to work with French Navy as jihadists in Syria are pummelled from the air

  • Russia launches cruise missile strikes over Raqqa, which is seen as Islamic State's capital city in Syria
  • The strikes come after it was revealed French jets had pounded targets in the terrorists' Syrian stronghold
  • Russian president Vladimir Putin has ordered his warships to work with France as 'allies' in their fight
  • Their forces carried out 34 cruise missile strikes over Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo just days after the Paris terror attacks
  • Meanwhile, France's defense minister says 10 French fighter jets are carrying out new airstrikes on Islamic State
  • Russia are also reportedly transporting paramilitary forces across Syria to fight ISIS in the Christian town of Sadad
  • See full coverage of international military action against ISIS at www.dailymail.co.uk/isis

Carry on Twisting Jim.
Is Twisted Sister a good Twisting companion then? :D

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Methinks you missed the point entirely. You can point out all the points currently being bombed, so can I but can you tell me where this snake hides his head. I think not. He is in more places than you can imagine, he is planning right now to do more to enforce his hatred. No "Nuke" is going to stop this. We have to diligently work at demoralizing and eliminating the same way you pull weeds, one weed at a time.
 

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