Should women be allowed to go topless?

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Magna-Carta said:
For some reason my thoughts go back to the fierce and brave Warrior Women of ancient Britain. Not that I was there at the time, contrary to some occasional popular belief.

Women fighting bare chested to inspire other warriors and to intimidate the enemy. Even to show off the women's worrier status. Maybe a different kind of ******isation going on there? The ******isation of intimidation? To defeat a common enemy?
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Never heard of that, but it seems like a pretty useful tactic, especially if fighting a man. First distract him, and then off with his head. (Just kidding)
 
I would like to thank bobcat and all the men on this thread who are fighting for the rights of women to bare their chests. Tarzan, look out...
Thank you guys... you are doing good work .... for yourselves :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 
Warrigal said:
In PNG tribal customs require young men to secure brides from outside the tribe. They must offer what is known as 'bride price" to the bride's family. The groom's family want a girl who is strong and healthy, who will bear many sons. Effectively, it is a cattle market based on physicality. Small, high breasts are favoured over larger saggy ones because youth is important. It is in the interest of both families that these assets are on display.
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Thank you Warrigal!
So what happens to the old women with the used child bearing breasts?
Are they told to cover up?
 
Jamala said:
Thank you Warrigal!
So what happens to the old women with the used child bearing breasts?
Are they told to cover up?
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Most Papua and New Guinea people wear western clothes these days. It was only up in the Highlands that I saw women bare breasted. Age didn't seem to be a consideration either way. In any case, longevity is much less than where we live.
 
bobcat48 said:
Good grief.
I never said that, and I have no idea where you came up with that absurd notion. You totally misread what I said.
I said "What equal rights means to a woman is subjective". That means that it is subject to that woman's point of view.
I went on to say that if you are told what it means to you by others, there's no point in having your own brain.
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Thanks for the qualification, Bob.

I have the right to bare my breasts on the beach should I want to, and the good sense not to exercise that right.
 
The internet has been an influence, with younger women being subjected to harassment and ogling. No doubt the fear of unwanted photographs ending up on the internet also plays a part in persuading young women to keep their bikini tops on when they go to the beach.

Times have changed: the porn industry, rampant in the digital age, has seen female objectification ratcheted up to such a degree that removing your bikini top to avoid tan lines on a public beach has come to seem risky for more and more younger women. What a sad world we live in.
 
bobcat48 said:
Good grief.
I never said that, and I have no idea where you came up with that absurd notion. You totally misread what I said.
I said "What equal rights means to a woman is subjective". That means that it is subject to that woman's point of view.
I went on to say that if you are told what it means to you by others, there's no point in having your own brain.
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You have completely lost the plot here bobcat. The setting down of Women’s Rights according to the United Nations is certainly not “subjective.”
The objetives are clearly defined and therefore means the same thing to all women everywhere.

On the other hand if you were to say, some women wish to have certain entitlements that men have according to law in some states, then that is a different story altogether, and, that has nothing to do with the wording of formal Women’s Rights. I think I explained this to you a couple of times.

Your argument bobcat will never stand up in court.
 
bobcat48 said:
Never heard of that, but it seems like a pretty useful tactic, especially if fighting a man. First distract him, and then off with his head. (Just kidding)
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The reason you never heard of it is because it is historically incorrect.

The warrior women of ancient Britain occurred in the time of Boudicca, the queen of the Iceni tribe (the Celts) in Britain. It is believed that the Celts arrived at the shores of Britain at approximately 1,000BC . Boudicca's armies consisted mainly of men and a few women.

Yes warrior women were fierce but they never went topless.
That would make no sense. It’s really funny that anyone would even assuume that.
Armour made of chain mail was actually invented by the Celts and any ancient female warrior would have worn armour… not nice leaving your anatomy exposed and having it sliced off by a Roman soldier…
 
Jamala said:
Females haven't had a chance to be chauvinistic, because of male control... we are working on it though :LOL:
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In this world of equality, where do men have 'control'?
Men have the hardest most dangerous jobs than women
Men are more likely to be incarcerated than women
More men are homeless
Men are most affected by violent crime
Men commit suicide more than women
Most people that die in wars are men
Men do worse in school than women
When a women needs help, men are expected to be there
When a women is attacked, men, by nature, step in and protect the woman
Masculinity is needed in the world......now, you can say some women think its not. Chivalry is being replaced with chauvinism, and that is dangerous for women.
Female chauvinism is the belief that women are superior to men and that is a dangerous premise.

The attack against men, especially in the family unit is systematically being implemented as part of a social change to diminish the nucleus of the family unit. This is being done for political reasons.

So where is this 'control' you speak of?
 
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Jamala said:
You have completely lost the plot here bobcat. The setting down of Women’s Rights according to the United Nations is certainly not “subjective.”
The objetives are clearly defined and therefore means the same thing to all women everywhere.

On the other hand if you were to say, some women wish to have certain entitlements that men have according to law in some states, then that is a different story altogether, and, that has nothing to do with the wording of formal Women’s Rights. I think I explained this to you a couple of times.

Your argument bobcat will never stand up in court.
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Good grief once again, I will never understand why someone reacts without reading what you write.
I never said that women's rights are subjective.
I said that "What it means to a woman" is subjective. Some people may think that women's rights are just a bunch of crap cooked up by women's libbers, and it is all nonsense. Just because they think that way doesn't change the laws or women's rights. It's just what it means to them, and in case you decide to attack me for that, I'm not one of those people.
As for the second part of your sentence, how could you possibly know that women's rights means the same thing to women everywhere, if you have not spoken to women everywhere. There may be some women who adhere to strict Biblical standards and feel that women's rights are Satan trying to ruin God's design for woman to be a helpmate. I highly doubt that all women everywhere think the same.
Please quit trying to twist what I'm saying into something I am clearly not saying.
 
Jamala said:
The reason you never heard of it is because it is historically incorrect.

The warrior women of ancient Britain occurred in the time of Boudicca, the queen of the Iceni tribe (the Celts) in Britain. It is believed that the Celts arrived at the shores of Britain at approximately 1,000BC . Boudicca's armies consisted mainly of men and a few women.

Yes warrior women were fierce but they never went topless.
That would make no sense. It’s really funny that anyone would even assuume that.
Armour made of chain mail was actually invented by the Celts and any ancient female warrior would have worn armour… not nice leaving your anatomy exposed and having it sliced off by a Roman soldier…
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It was just humor, which is why I included the "Just kidding" in the comment.
I made no claims of it's accuracy.
 
Sippican said:
In this world of equality, where do men have 'control'?
Men have the hardest dangerous jobs than women
Men are more likely to be incarcerated than women
More men are homeless are men
Men are most affected by violent crime
Men commit suicide more than women
Most people that die in wars are men
Men do worse in school than women
When a women needs help, men are expected to be there
When a women is attacked, men, by nature, step in and protect the woman
Masculinity is needed in the world......now, you can say some women think its not. Chivalry is being replaced with chauvinism, and that is dangerous. Female chauvinism is the belief that women are superior to men and that is a dangerous premise.

The attack against men, especially in the family unit is systematically being implemented as part of a social change to diminish the nucleus of the family unit. This is being done for political reasons.

So where is this 'control' you speak of?
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1/. Men have the hardest and most dangerous jobs .

Men choose more dangerous jobs than women ‘often’ due to strength and anatomy

2/. More men are homeless than women .

It is hard to consider addiction as a cause of homelessness rather than the opposite that homelessness can help facilitate addiction problems. SAMSA also reports that twice as many adult men use drugs than adult women. This ratio correlates with the overall male to female homeless population numbers.

3/. Men are incarcerated than women

More men commit crimes than women Though many more men are in prison than women, the rate of growth for female imprisonment has been twice as high as that of men since 1980.

4/. Men are more affected by violent crime than women. Note: if you don’t consider rape an act of violence

The vast majority of violence is committed by men – more than four-fifths of violent crime and an even greater proportion of sex offences. While men are also more likely to be victims of violent crime, women are overwhelmingly more likely to be victims of severe domestic abuse.

An estimated 91% of victims of rape & sexual assault are female and 9% male. Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male.

5/. More men die in war than women

Most people that die in wars are men because currently there’s more men that go to war than women

6/. Men do worse in school than women

Girls tend to mature a little faster than boys, developing language skills sooner and giving them the edge over boys in reading, writing, and speech. While boys are lagging behind girls on writing assignments, they are often ahead in math and science. Females appear to study more than males.

7/. When a woman needs help men are expected to be there.


When a man helps a woman, shows off his brute strength to her, and gets thanked for it, he feels good about the whole thing. A man’s ego swells when he helps a women. He feels more powerful and happy, knowing that he was able to impress a woman with his macho abilities however it’s unlikely that this is the only or main reason.

8/. When a women is attacked, men, by nature, step in and protect the woman

Please refer to #7

9/. Men commit suicide more than women

Talking about feelings has never been a man’s strong suite and male suicide methods are often more violent, making them more likely to be completed before anyone can intervene.
 
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bobcat48 said:
Never heard of that, but it seems like a pretty useful tactic, especially if fighting a man. First distract him, and then off with his head. (Just kidding)
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It's mentioned in some classical sources, but as always, interpretations can be incorrect, and even back then some writings could be for effect. It depends on who is doing the writing, and what their purpose was. Biases, perspectives, and motivations? Then there is the original audience to consider.
 
Avon said:
Well, some seem to get the urge to send pictures via pm's to male posters on over 50 forums, and I have had a few. This is not a request, please note.
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You have received them too! I wonder if the ones I received were actually of the poster.

Seeing the real Macoy at work was an eye-opener, as an enticement for several of us men to go to a nightclub with her later that night. Needless to say, no one went to the club with her.
 
Avon said:
I think a lot of guys have. Still "power to their elbow", some seem to still have a bit of life left in them, and to give them credit are still in good shape.
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What a fascinating world we live in.


UPDATE: I remember talking with a middled aged sister of a friend. She said she was on a motorcycle forum. She ended up PM'ing someone on that forum. A man, a member of the clergy. Seems they were getting along quite well. Then later she sends him a photo via PM; a bear-chested photo of herself. She then showed me the same photo on her phone. She said this man had never contacted her again since sending that photo.

Later I asked my friend (her brother) if that was true. He didn't say anything. He just dropped his gaze and nodded.
 
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Magna-Carta said:
What a fascinating world we live in.

UPDATE: I remember talking with a middled aged sister of a friend. She said she was on a motorcycle forum. She ended up PM'ing someone on that forum. A man, a member of the clergy. Seems they were getting along quite well. She sends him a photo via PM; a bear-chested photo of herself. She then showed me the same photo on her phone.

Later I asked my friend (her brother) if that was true. He didn't say anything. He just dropped his gaze and nodded.
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I had similar, a selfie from a forum lady and the following week a picture of her sitting in church. I would add, considering what has been posted about men, that not once in 20 years on forums have I heard of a man posting any material of such nature to a woman poster.
 
Avon said:
I had similar, a selfie from a forum lady and the following week a picture of her sitting in church. I would add, considering what has been posted about men, that not once in 20 years on forums have I heard of a man posting any material of such nature to a woman poster.
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You know Avon, you’ve been here since 2016 and have only made 2 threads. One is your introduction - one is about some old guy who used to chase young women

You have 3 posts in 2021 and the rest of your posts are from this year, many of them talking about sex & young women.

You appear obsessed with young women and their body parts yet at the same time criticize them in the most derogatory fashion.
https://www.seniorforums.com/threads/mini-skirt-in-the-past.84097/page-7#post-2606339

If any of the women here did send you photos you probably privately encouraged them to.

If it IS true, it’s incredibly insensitive of you to post about it on open forum and then write a post about how men are so much better cause they would never do such a thing.

It’s the same attitude you had about women in certain parts of the world who were willing to marry older men, basically claiming they were gold diggers just waiting for an inheritance and how unfair it was for the older men who had to look after children and your brother being one of them.

When I called you out on it you posted in a thread asking why I chose the name I did

https://www.seniorforums.com/threads/silly-question-for-peppermint-patty.84138/
 
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Magna-Carta said:
What a fascinating world we live in.


UPDATE: I remember talking with a middled aged sister of a friend. She said she was on a motorcycle forum. She ended up PM'ing someone on that forum. A man, a member of the clergy. Seems they were getting along quite well. Then later she sends him a photo via PM; a bear-chested photo of herself. She then showed me the same photo on her phone. She said this man had never contacted her again since sending that photo.

Later I asked my friend (her brother) if that was true. He didn't say anything. He just dropped his gaze and nodded.
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Please stop sending me PM’s
I really don’t like it
 
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