So have the anti-maskers been right all along ?

The mask requirement was only to make people think the experts were doing something & had some knowledge.
The vaccine serves the same purpose.
 
Dear husband and I are going to carry on waiting for most everyone to get vaccinated, then we're going to enjoy riding the coattails of all those who got vaccinated and go mask-less.

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As an FYI, "CYA bureaucrats", politicians and other government mandarins operate on the principle of self-preservation. They will take a worst-case scenario (e.g., "millions could die?) to cover themselves. Should it happen, they can say, "I told you so". Should it fail to materialize, they can say, "Thank goodness people heeded my warning." Either way, the bureaucrat looks good. Except they don't look so good when there's duplicity afoot and it becomes known. As for duplicity, the whole masking/lockdown was CYA for a lot of unsavory motives and behavior

PS: Oh and there's the bureaucrat's mantra, "Never let a good crisis go to waste and if there's no crisis, invent one. "
 
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JonDouglas said:
As an FYI, "CYA bureaucrats", politicians and other government mandarins operate on the principle of self-preservation. They will take a worst-case scenario (e.g., "millions could die?) to cover themselves. Should it happen, they can say, "I told you so". Should it fail to materialize, they can say, "Thank goodness people heeded my warning." Either way, the bureaucrat looks good. Except they don't look so good when there's duplicity afoot and it becomes known. As for duplicity, the whole masking/lockdown was CYA for a lot of unsavory motives and behavior

PS: Oh and there's the bureaucrat's mantra, "Never let a good crisis go to waste and if there's no crisis, invent one. "
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Also big tech and big pharma played a roll. Jeff Bezos is on his way to becoming a trillionaire due to increased business from lockdowns, putting small and local businesses out of business and fear mongering in general. Big pharma supports all news media and the propaganda they spew except for CBS, Walter Cronkite's old channel. Something else to think about.
 
Can’t help but notice that surgeons and other OR personnel have always worn masks for their duties, and in certain other health care locations, for the whole of my very long life. And are continuing to do so.
That suggests to me that highly trained and experienced professionals and employees believe in the use of masks to control transmission of disease.
Can’t wait for the first “Yeah but....” response.
 
Geezerette said:
Can’t help but notice that surgeons and other OR personnel have always worn masks for their duties, and in certain other health care locations, for the whole of my very long life. And are continuing to do so.
That suggests to me that highly trained and experienced professionals and employees believe in the use of masks to control transmission of disease.
Can’t wait for the first “Yeah but....” response.
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Yeah but............ when my wife had to go to the emergency room here, neither myself, or the doctor or the nurse was wearing a mask.
 
Masks have not stopped my hay fever which has been worse than ever the last three weeks!
As for flu did anyone who got it even report it for fear of it being branded Covid?
As for the question I heard a doctor on the radio right at the start of this saying masks were useless and she didn’t recommend wearing them...so I’m not surprised at the video.
 
hollydolly said:
Your thoughts after watching this 3 minute video from a Viral immunologist

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The problem with the video is that he is blowing forcefully throught the masks. If he were breathing normally I doubt that he would have fogged up his glasses. Masks are only one prong of many in protecting oursleves and others from infection. Masks will stop much of the droplets from escaping but not all. Think about our health care insitutions. Masks are standard PPE. Would you want a surgeon to perform surgery on you unmasked? We wear masks in hospitals to protect ourselves from infection and to protect others along with utilizing other methods with the same goal in mind even when not faced with an epidemic. Of course the efficacy depends upon wearing them properly and on the design of the mask. All the hulla balloo over wearing masks ignores the fact that health care workers have been wearing masks when treating patients for almost a century. Here's the science: Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus | UC San Francisco (ucsf.edu)
 
Furryanimal said:
Masks have not stopped my hay fever which has been worse than ever the last three weeks!
As for flu did anyone who got it even report it for fear of it being branded Covid?
As for the question I heard a doctor on the radio right at the start of this saying masks were useless and she didn’t recommend wearing them...so I’m not surprised at the video.
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Here's the science: Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus | UC San Francisco (ucsf.edu)
 
Lara said:
Lucky you Holly. It's also not healthy for workers to breath in their own air all day every day.
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Did you ever stop to think that masks are standard PPE in health care facilities even without a pandemic and that health care staff wear them for hours every day and have done so for nearly a century? Would you want to have surgery with no one wearing a mask? Have them breathing all their germs into your open wound? How about those in reverse isolation as some cancer patients are because their immune system has been shut down? Should we not take every precaution to keep from exposing them to infection including wearing masks? Would you like to care for a patient with TB without protecting your own respiratory system?
 
Martha Ferris said:
The problem with the video is that he is blowing forcefully throught the masks. If he were breathing normally I doubt that he would have fogged up his glasses. Masks are only one prong of many in protecting oursleves and others from infection. Masks will stop much of the droplets from escaping but not all. Think about our health care insitutions. Masks are standard PPE. Would you want a surgeon to perform surgery on you unmasked? We wear masks in hospitals to protect ourselves from infection and to protect others along with utilizing other methods with the same goal in mind even when not faced with an epidemic. Of course the efficacy depends upon wearing them properly and on the design of the mask. All the hulla balloo over wearing masks ignores the fact that health care workers have been wearing masks when treating patients for almost a century. Here's the science: Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus | UC San Francisco (ucsf.edu)
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Just as an FYI, I had my annual physical today. The good folks at the doctor's office admitted, just like Fauci did in his private emails, that most of the masks people wear are useless. You would get some protection form a good, form-fitted mask but even that doesn't guarantee safety. I know some nurses who'll attest to that, having gotten covid while masked and flu in the past. If masking were effective, states with no mandate should have fared worse, but they didn't.

Edit Note: One of the nurses was telling a story about how continually breathing in their own exhaust (e.g., CO2) was causing problems for staff members.
 
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Lara said:
Dr. Fauci hasn't ever confirmed what party he is with. He's "just" a doctor and adviser...for 6 presidents of both parties. Not in the Cabinet. Not a lawmaker. However, his actions are telling.
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What are they telling you Lara? Nevermind.
 
No one has ever said that the masks are 100% successful in protecting either the wearer or the people with whom they come in contact. They provide some protection, which is all anybody has ever claimed. And particularly before there was a vaccine, being partially protected by a mask was better than no protection at all.

What part of that is so hard to understand?
 
Sunny said:
No one has ever said that the masks are 100% successful in protecting either the wearer or the people with whom they come in contact. They provide some protection, which is all anybody has ever claimed. And particularly before there was a vaccine, being partially protected by a mask was better than no protection at all.

What part of that is so hard to understand?
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What part of "most masks offer little or no protection while causing you to breath in your own CO2 emissions" is so hard to understand?
 
JonDouglas said:
Just as an FYI, I had my annual physical today. The good folks at the doctor's office admitted, just like Fauci did in his private emails, that most of the masks people wear are useless. You would get some protection form a good, form-fitted mask but even that doesn't guarantee safety. I know some nurses who'll attest to that, having gotten covid while masked and flu in the past. If masking were effective, states with no mandate should have fared worse, but they didn't.

Edit Note: One of the nurses was telling a story about how continually breathing in their own exhaust (e.g., CO2) was causing problems for staff members.
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Health care workers have been wearing masks for decades. It is standard PPE. Think about working in an operating suite. If masks caused a significant CO2 problem don't you think that everyone involved in performing surgeries would be impaired in their work and thus dangerous to the patient? Beginning in 1935 the majority of surgeons wore masks in the operating room.
Most of the masks I have seen being used during the pandemic were being worn incorrectly therefore were less effective or virtually useless. I even saw a local woman trying to sell crocheted masks. Plus there are different masks that look like hospital masks but aren't so one must be an informed consumer when purchasing.
I was in health care for nearly 40 years, over thirty as a Respiratory Therapist. I was on the front line in working with those with respiratory illnesses including infections. Mask use is standard practise. As a nurse in the 70's we wore cloth masks which had to be changed every three hours as they became wet with our breath and no longer effective.
Did you read the web site I posted? Anecdotal evidence, while it may be considered, is not proof. "A representative from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told Reuters: “The CO2 will slowly build up in the mask over time. However, the level of CO2 likely to build up in the mask is mostly tolerable to people exposed to it. You might get a headache but you most likely [would] not suffer the symptoms observed at much higher levels of CO2. The mask can become uncomfortable for a variety of reasons including a sensitivity to CO2 and the person will be motivated to remove the mask. It is unlikely that wearing a mask will cause hypercapnia.”Partly false claim: Continually wearing a mask causes hypercapnia | Reuters
 
squatting dog said:
Yeah but............ when my wife had to go to the emergency room here, neither myself, or the doctor or the nurse was wearing a mask.
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Martha Ferris said:
The problem with the video is that he is blowing forcefully throught the masks. If he were breathing normally I doubt that he would have fogged up his glasses. Masks are only one prong of many in protecting oursleves and others from infection. Masks will stop much of the droplets from escaping but not all. Think about our health care insitutions. Masks are standard PPE. Would you want a surgeon to perform surgery on you unmasked? We wear masks in hospitals to protect ourselves from infection and to protect others along with utilizing other methods with the same goal in mind even when not faced with an epidemic. Of course the efficacy depends upon wearing them properly and on the design of the mask. All the hulla balloo over wearing masks ignores the fact that health care workers have been wearing masks when treating patients for almost a century. Here's the science: Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus | UC San Francisco (ucsf.edu)
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You are mistaken. I was hospitalized for Sepsis & DKA for 8 days during our last Flu epidemic. 3 days in ICU & 5 days in a regular room.
Nurses came in every 2 hours to take blood. Not a single nurse, orderly, doctor, infections disease specialist or social worker who visited me wore a mask. Neither did the guy who did a cardiac ultrasound (who coughed constantly).
I took walks in the hospital while recovering. The only masks I saw were in dispensers on walls.

Surgeons probably need to wear a mask because they are breathing on a body that's been cut open with internal organs exposed.
 
Martha Ferris said:
Health care workers have been wearing masks for decades. It is standard PPE. Think about working in an operating suite. If masks caused a significant CO2 problem don't you think that everyone involved in performing surgeries would be impaired in their work and thus dangerous to the patient? Beginning in 1935 the majority of surgeons wore masks in the operating room.
Most of the masks I have seen being used during the pandemic were being worn incorrectly therefore were less effective or virtually useless. I even saw a local woman trying to sell crocheted masks. Plus there are different masks that look like hospital masks but aren't so one must be an informed consumer when purchasing.
I was in health care for nearly 40 years, over thirty as a Respiratory Therapist. I was on the front line in working with those with respiratory illnesses including infections. Mask use is standard practise. As a nurse in the 70's we wore cloth masks which had to be changed every three hours as they became wet with our breath and no longer effective.
Did you read the web site I posted? Anecdotal evidence, while it may be considered, is not proof. "A representative from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told Reuters: “The CO2 will slowly build up in the mask over time. However, the level of CO2 likely to build up in the mask is mostly tolerable to people exposed to it. You might get a headache but you most likely [would] not suffer the symptoms observed at much higher levels of CO2. The mask can become uncomfortable for a variety of reasons including a sensitivity to CO2 and the person will be motivated to remove the mask. It is unlikely that wearing a mask will cause hypercapnia.”Partly false claim: Continually wearing a mask causes hypercapnia | Reuters
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Health care workers are wearing masks now because they're still mandated in medical areas but that wasn't the case the last three times I was in the hospital to have kidney stones blasted. The only masks I saw were in the operating room but not being worn while I was being put to sleep. Also, according the medical people I've talked to, CO2 in masks can be a real problem (e.g., difficulty breathing, headaches etc.). It's pretty much a done deal - most masks are ineffective and people are catching on to the fact that this whole shebang was a debacle that wrecked a lot of lives and businesses, not to mention the economy in general. Fortunately and thankfully, hardly anyone is wearing masks in my area now.
 
JonDouglas said:
Health care workers are wearing masks now because they're still mandated in medical areas but that wasn't the case the last three times I was in the hospital to have kidney stones blasted. The only masks I saw were in the operating room but not being worn while I was being put to sleep. Also, according the medical people I've talked to, CO2 in masks can be a real problem (e.g., difficulty breathing, headaches etc.). It's pretty much a done deal - most masks are ineffective and people are catching on to the fact that this whole shebang was a debacle that wrecked a lot of lives and businesses, not to mention the economy in general.
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I never saw masks in hospitals either until our governor mandated them. My mom fractured all of her facial bones in a fall just at the beginning of the pandemic. I took her back and forth to the hospital for checkups and NO one was wearing a mask then or social distancing. It was a huge hospital too, one of the most prestigious in the world so seeing them not panicking helped me not to panic either. Mask wearing in hospitals is still required here despite the repeal of all covid restrictions.
 
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