Suicide: Deliverance or The Dark Side of Dying?

Ina said:
HFL, Another problem with suicide is life insurance. How do we get them to accept it as our decision? We try to do something such as life insurance for our loved ones, and if we were to choose suicide we have to understand that we are forfeit all the money we invested in the insurance. I wouldn't have any idea of how to change this matter.
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The Doc's will steal it from you anyway. Do as you wish. Or forget life ins. scam and invest in a Roth or IRA 401K and name your beneficiary.
Heck I receive at least 6 different really great deals on live insurance a month. Haha
 

Mitch86 said:
@CallMeKate and @OldOld need to buy the computer game, Civilization VI, and then tell me whether they enjoy killing millions IN THE GAME or not.

I send my forces into foreign cities and then massacre the inhabitants. I always play Germany in the game since they have the best attributes for mass killing. I once played the USA in the game and was absolutely bored.

If you have not tried Civilization VI, then you cannot contest my judgement. At age 90 I spend most of my waking hours in that game.

Near the end of a game, which takes many months to complete, research eventually yields the production of nuclear bombs. One can even get to build hydrogen bombs for even more damage. Space ships are also available for production near the end of the game after many months playing it. When one sends jet bombers with nukes to bomb enemy cities, one can even imagine the screams of the little people as the mushroom clouds expand over the enemy cities!

The most fun is sending "Modern Armor," the best of the available tanks to crush opponents.

I also enjoy reading Audible eBooks about WW 2. The mass killings of WW 2 are described in detail. The most interesting part is about Nazi Germany invading the Soviet Union and read about how Hitler and Stalin massacred millions. Then I go to the game and play it out on my computer! My favorite Audible eBook is "Bloodlands." It describes how Hitler and Stalin killed millions and millions!
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If I get it right, you choose Germany in the game to kill millions of Germans. Fortunately it is a game and my wife and me are not living in Germany anymore. :ROFLMAO:
 
OldOld said:
In your life time, have you ever lie to others (or done anything) that directly or indirectly cause pain and suffering to others? Why did you do it and are still doing it? Isn't it against God's will? Did God decides you should lie?
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did you do it! be honest. did you do it! we have all lied, we have all done it INCLUDING YOU. God doesn't condone your lies, God doesn't agree. You do it because you think God will overlook or understand. He doesn't. Never has, never will. YOU are responsible for the pain you visit on others. YOU
 
SifuPhil said:
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Ever since Dr. Kevorkian grabbed the public eye with his assisted suicides we as a society have argued over the merits of taking our own lives.

On the negative side we have religious restrictions, moral questions, accusations of cowardice and abandonment and a general non-willingness to discuss the topic.

On the plus side we have quality of life issues, the right to self-terminate and the question of self-determination.

Where do YOU fall in this spectrum? Do you believe in suicide, and if so under what conditions? If not, under ANY conditions, what is your reasoning?
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Firstly, there are extreme cases. For example, some people are in extreme pain, or have degenerative diseases that curtail a good life. Those are extremes, and there's a case to be made.

Any other suicide is simply a tragedy.
 
11 US states do have Medical Aid In Dying (MAID). I think we need that choice in every US state. President Trump would have to endorse it for it to happen. I believe everyone with a terminal illness should have that choice. Also, everyone over age 80 should have that choice. I'm 90 now and have suffered a lot of pain from arthritis. I probably would never use it but that option should be available to every US citizen.
 
Mitch86 said:
11 US states do have Medical Aid In Dying (MAID). I think we need that choice in every US state. President Trump would have to endorse it for it to happen. I believe everyone with a terminal illness should have that choice. Also, everyone over age 80 should have that choice. I'm 90 now and have suffered a lot of pain from arthritis. I probably would never use it but that option should be available to every US citizen.
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You are not qualified for MAID in any U.S. states now. Your prognosis is not less than 6 months life.
 
we have VAD in Australia (voluntary assisted dying) seems same as your MAID - but there are criteria for it - in essence you have to have a progressive terminal illness resulting in significantly impacted quality of life likely to result in death within 6 months (12 months for degenerative diseases like motor neurone disease)

I am fully in agreement with this

However arthritis is not a progressive disease likely to result in death within 6 months (or at all) and age alone is certainly not a criteria.
 

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