ElCastor
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Works for me.
Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade?
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Murrmurr
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That depends on state laws and every city's municipal codes.
For example, state law in Virginia says - Any person who shall engage in picketing before or about the residence or dwelling place of any individual, or who shall assemble with another person or persons in a manner which disrupts or threatens to disrupt any individual's right to tranquility in his home, shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor. Each day on which a violation of this section occurs shall constitute a separate offense.
Many states and nearly all municipalities have very similar laws and codes.
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ElCastor
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Sounds logical, but no ....
"18 U.S. Code § 1507 - Picketing or parading"
"Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
Nothing in this section shall interfere with or prevent the exercise by any court of the United States of its power to punish for contempt.
(Added Sept. 23, 1950, ch. 1024, title I, § 31(a), 64 Stat. 1018; amended Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(K), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)"
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1507
Murrmurr
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It's kind of barbaric to basically force a woman to go full term with a pregnancy if she doesn't want to. Maybe a lot of kids would grow up unloved and even disliked and resented.
That said, there's no reason for a woman to wait until the last freaking minute. At some point, that fetus is a person who works out almost every day! I've seen that first-hand. I mean, if you're 7 or 8 months in, and you want an abortion because you got mad at the father, adopt the little person out to someone who wants one very badly.
ElCastor
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Good point, and you may be right, but ... that is not something I would want to debate.
SeniorBen
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People protest outside courthouses all the time. Who knows. There must be more to it than meets the eye.
ElCastor
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Not all laws are enforced. In this case it's a federal law, so local cops and DAs are probably even less inclined. Personally, I'm very keen on the First Amendment, but protesters harassing judges in their homes or courtrooms -- unacceptable. Judges are charged with administering the law, not the demands of a mob of sign wavers..
Because if they direct WHO to control our lives as they are planning to, I don't think many will thrive in the environment that will create.
Em in Ohio
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...le-have-the-most-to-lose-if-roe-is-overturned
“Abortion restrictions are racist,” said Cathy Torres, an organizing manager with Frontera Fund, a Texas organization that helps pay for abortions. “They directly impact people of color, Black, brown, Indigenous people … people who are trying to make ends meet.”
Why the great disparities? Laurie Bertram Roberts, executive director of the Alabama-based Yellowhammer Fund, which provides financial support for abortions, said women of color in states with restrictive abortion laws often have limited access to health care and a lack of choices for effective birth control. Schools often have ineffective or inadequate sex education."
So, I ponder: If America is becoming increasingly racist and bemoaning the surmised takeover in population by people "of color," why would they oppose abortion when it would substantially increase the number of people "of color?" Or, to put it another way, aren't they shooting themselves in their own feet? What is wrong with racists' logic circuits? (And I am being serious.)
“Abortion restrictions are racist,” said Cathy Torres, an organizing manager with Frontera Fund, a Texas organization that helps pay for abortions. “They directly impact people of color, Black, brown, Indigenous people … people who are trying to make ends meet.”
Why the great disparities? Laurie Bertram Roberts, executive director of the Alabama-based Yellowhammer Fund, which provides financial support for abortions, said women of color in states with restrictive abortion laws often have limited access to health care and a lack of choices for effective birth control. Schools often have ineffective or inadequate sex education."
So, I ponder: If America is becoming increasingly racist and bemoaning the surmised takeover in population by people "of color," why would they oppose abortion when it would substantially increase the number of people "of color?" Or, to put it another way, aren't they shooting themselves in their own feet? What is wrong with racists' logic circuits? (And I am being serious.)
I ponder this too Em. Maybe there is no logic except to make people as miserable as they are.
Timewise 60+
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Not true...look it up! To do an Amendment to the U S Constitution it can be done two ways. The only one used so far in our history is amendment's that start in Congress. Congress must ratify the amendment by a 2/3 vote supporting the amendment...it then goes out to all 50 states, where their legislators will consider the amendment. If 3/4 (38 of 50) approve the amendment is then is ratified and becomes law.
The second way is the States can call for a Constitutional Convention where they can develop their own Constitutional Amendment. When they vote on the final version they must get 3/4 (38 of 50) approve the amendment. It then become law. Congress has no say in this Amendment other than they are bound by this new law.
Note the President and his cabinet have no role in these processes...by design by our founding fathers....
Timewise 60+
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I read a report yesterday that in America over two million couples are waiting to adopt babies. I will not come down on this issue of abortion. But my wife of over 50 years was adopted in 1950. She is the light of my life and together we have raised 3 kids who have blessed us with 6 beautiful grandchildren. I thank God every day that my wife's mother, made a decision to have her child. Later in life my wife was able to locate the family of her birth mother. She was a secretary in a business when she got pregnant by the son of the owner. He rejected her and the baby and offered to take her to Mexico to take care of it. Yet she bravely could not live with that option and had the baby. My beautiful auburn-haired wife...thank God! Four of our grandchildren are girls, three of the four have auburn hair! SMILE
SeniorBen
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It seems that giving your child away to strangers is even more emotionally distressing than having an abortion...
Sisson’s findings echo a study published in 2008 of 38 women who were getting abortions. It found that a quarter of the women had considered adoption, but they largely regarded it as too emotionally distressing. “Respondents said that the thought of one’s child being out in the world without knowing whether it was being taken care of or who was taking care of it was more guilt inducing than having an abortion,” wrote the authors, who are researchers from the abortion-rights think tank the Guttmacher Institute. In another Guttmacher study of women seeking abortions, in 2005, one-third of women considered adoption but “concluded that it was a morally unconscionable option because giving one’s child away is wrong.”
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Together, the results suggest that if the rate of unintended pregnancies remains constant, but abortion restrictions are tightened, the U.S. won’t necessarily see a spike in domestic adoptions. Instead, there are likely be more mothers who initially didn’t want to give birth to their babies, but decide to raise them nonetheless.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/05/why-more-women-dont-choose-adoption/589759/
Sisson’s findings echo a study published in 2008 of 38 women who were getting abortions. It found that a quarter of the women had considered adoption, but they largely regarded it as too emotionally distressing. “Respondents said that the thought of one’s child being out in the world without knowing whether it was being taken care of or who was taking care of it was more guilt inducing than having an abortion,” wrote the authors, who are researchers from the abortion-rights think tank the Guttmacher Institute. In another Guttmacher study of women seeking abortions, in 2005, one-third of women considered adoption but “concluded that it was a morally unconscionable option because giving one’s child away is wrong.”
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Together, the results suggest that if the rate of unintended pregnancies remains constant, but abortion restrictions are tightened, the U.S. won’t necessarily see a spike in domestic adoptions. Instead, there are likely be more mothers who initially didn’t want to give birth to their babies, but decide to raise them nonetheless.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/05/why-more-women-dont-choose-adoption/589759/
Murrmurr
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Yep. Sorry, I totally misread your post. I do that way more than the average senior, I think.
AnnieA
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Think that's the only reason our existence is tolerated. Once natural resources get too scarce and/or we've created enough microplastics to detrimentally impact human heath (already finding them in blood, lungs), then there will be a culling.
Murrmurr
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I posted about microplastics somewhere on SF a while back. I read an article recently that said researchers are saying microplastics cause mental health issues including bi-polar and personality disorders and violent behavior. It's in the food chain and the soil. The article also talked about some of the metal particulates we breathe that have very similar effects.
A few scientists have posted on YouTube about this. It's harrowing.
SeniorBen
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I try not to cook anything in or on plastic any more in the microwave. I'm not sure if it's risky, but considering what happens to the plastic when you cook in it, especially when you make something with tomato sauce, the plastic gets all pitted... Maybe it's from the oil... It just gives me a bit of peace of mind cooking in glass dishes instead of plastic. Even if it's just a placebo effect, I feel better cooking and storing food that way. Pyrex is the way to go.
Timewise 60+
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Not a problem....I have the same problem, if you have not already noticed! I call them my brain farts...Yep. Sorry, I totally misread your post. I do that way more than the average senior, I think.
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Oklahoma has passed the most restrictive abortion law in the United States which bans terminations from the moment of fertilization, but lawmakers insist it does not apply to contraception including Plan B or IUDs.
The bill was given final approval by the state's conservative-majority legislature on Thursday, and is now headed to GOP Governor Kevin Stitt. He has already indicated he will sign it.
The bill is part of an aggressive push in Republican-led states across the country to scale back abortion rights. It comes on the heels of a leaked draft opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court that suggests justices are considering weakening or overturning the landmark Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion nearly 50 years ago.
The bill by Collinsville Republican Rep. Wendi Stearman would prohibit all abortions, except to save the life of a pregnant woman or if the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest that has been reported to law enforcement.
She defended it by saying that pro-choice arguments are so cruel it may as well be legal to abort children up until the age of 18.
Addressing the legislature Thursday, Stearman said: 'It would solve many problems. Think of the disruptions in school.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...pproves-nations-restrictive-abortion-ban.html
The bill was given final approval by the state's conservative-majority legislature on Thursday, and is now headed to GOP Governor Kevin Stitt. He has already indicated he will sign it.
The bill is part of an aggressive push in Republican-led states across the country to scale back abortion rights. It comes on the heels of a leaked draft opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court that suggests justices are considering weakening or overturning the landmark Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion nearly 50 years ago.
The bill by Collinsville Republican Rep. Wendi Stearman would prohibit all abortions, except to save the life of a pregnant woman or if the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest that has been reported to law enforcement.
She defended it by saying that pro-choice arguments are so cruel it may as well be legal to abort children up until the age of 18.
Addressing the legislature Thursday, Stearman said: 'It would solve many problems. Think of the disruptions in school.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...pproves-nations-restrictive-abortion-ban.html
OneEyedDiva
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You are right Ben...shouldn't be microwaving in plastic. In fact, I read an article a few weeks ago that said plastic items should not be washed in the dishwasher (but I do it anyway). Like you, however, the only plastic that goes in my microwave is the mircrowave cover over splashy foods. I remember one time (before I was aware of the no plastics in the microwave) I asked one of my workers to microwave my lunch which was in a plastic bowl. She came back in a panic; the look on her face and the pitch in her voice were funny. The container had folded in on itself because she left it in there too long. Needless to say, I didn't eat that lunch.
hollydolly
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they're safe as long as they're Phthalate and BPA free ... I use these all the time to steam veggies in the microwaveYou are right Ben...shouldn't be microwaving in plastic. In fact, I read an article a few weeks ago that said plastic items should not be washed in the dishwasher (but I do it anyway). Like you, however, the only plastic that goes in my microwave is the mircrowave cover over splashy foods. I remember one time (before I was aware of the no plastics in the microwave) I asked one of my workers to microwave my lunch which was in a plastic bowl. She came back in a panic; the look on her face and the pitch in her voice were funny. The container had folded in on itself because she left it in there too long. Needless to say, I didn't eat that lunch.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/cart/view.html?ref_=nav_cart
OneEyedDiva
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That well may be HD but I saw a doctor on T.V. once that said even if they are allegedly safe, it's best not to use them. I have a microwavable omelette maker. I haven't used it since I saw that report.they're safe as long as they're Phthalate and BPA free ... I use these all the time to steam veggies in the microwave
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/cart/view.html?ref_=nav_cart
...sorry togo off topic...
hollydolly
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I will continue to use mine....
SeniorBen
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I just prefer to use glass dishes. If there comes a time when I no longer need them, glass is easily recycled, as apposed to plastic. So it's healthier — even if it turns out to be just a placebo effect, and more environmentally friendly. Plus they last longer. And you can also cook with them in the oven.
True, as the statutes Mens Rea is "With the Intent", orderly non disruptive behavior, etc. is permitted.