Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade?

ElCastor said:
If any of these pickets are arrested they can certainly try the rage defense in court. The hope of influencing a judges decision never even crossed their minds. Huh? Good luck with that.

BTW -- Just to be clear, I hope Roe v Wade is not reversed, but I am appalled by the spectacle of angry mobs in front of the Court and judges homes. Mobs that are in the grasp of rage, but at least in my opinion, are obviously desirous of influencing outcomes. Judges are what they are, and where they are, for the express purpose of being influenced by logical factual arguments presented in a court of law -- not the fear that some demonstrators might burn down their home or harm them or their family. These threats, by the way, are well documented in the press and come from both the Right and the Left.

"SCOTUS justices face barrage of death threats on social media ahead of potential Roe overturn"
https://nypost.com/2022/05/19/supre...-around-the-clock-home-security-amid-threats/
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"Judges are what they are, and where they are, for the express purpose of being influenced by logical factual arguments presented in a court of law"

The real rage needs to go to the fact that we are not truly part of that process. I have spoken at public hearings and they are a joke because two minutes is not enough time to speak about complex issues. And when comes to supreme court decisions we don't even have that. Beyond that communication needs to be a two-way process of saying something and the other person replying and the process needs to continue until there is no more to say.

I think the angry mod is totally in the wrong to violate the judges' private homes, but so is the notion that a handful of people can determine the fate of others, totally wrong.

Privacy is a serious issue and that is what Roe Versus Wade is about. We need a social agreement about the importance of privacy and that happens through education that transmits a culture.
 

ElCastor said:
I am not religious and am perfectly OK with Roe v Wade as it stands, but I am a strong believer in the SC and the independence of its judges. Any decision of the Court will always have those who disagree, but disagreement is not a license to issue death threats and parade in front of the homes of judges. We need to respect the law, and those who disagree with a new (but yet to happen) decision on Roe V Wade need to calm down and work to amend the Constitution. Mob rule is not the way our democracy works, nor should it ever be the way.
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The law is supposed to comply with the laws of nature, not a Holy Book. What evangelical Christians are doing is as bad as fundamentalist Muslims forcing women to live as they did thousands of years ago. If the Supreme Court were about to put Shia law in place, the mob in front of their homes would be much larger. The abortion/privacy issue is no less important.
 
The US Supreme Court today overturned a landmark ruling that effectively legalised abortions across America, handing the power to decide whether or not to permit the procedure back to individual states.

The decision by the court's conservative majority to overrule the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling has ended constitutional protections for abortion that had been in place nearly 50 years.

The vote was 5-4 to overturn Roe, with Chief Justice John Roberts writing separately to say he would have upheld the Mississippi law but not taken the additional step of erasing the precedent altogether.

At the same time, the court voted 6-3 to uphold a Mississippi law that bans abortions after 15 weeks, with very few medical exceptions.

The justices held that the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that allowed abortions performed before a fetus would be viable outside the womb - between 24 and 28 weeks of pregnancy - was wrongly decided because the U.S. Constitution makes no specific mention of abortion rights.

Roe v. Wade was centred around 'Jane Roe', a pseudonym for Norma McCorvey, a single mother pregnant for the third time, who wanted an abortion. She sued the Dallas attorney general Henry Wade over a Texas law that made it a crime to terminate a pregnancy except in cases of rape or incest, or when the mother's life was in danger - arguing that the law infringed on her constitutional rights.

'The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision,' Conservative Justice Samuel Alito, who was nominated to the court in 2006 by George W Bush, wrote in the ruling on Friday.

The ruling means that individual states now have the power to decide on whether to ban abortion. The Guttmacher Institute, a pro-choice research group, has said that 26 states are 'certain or likely' to ban abortion now.

A total of 13 states - Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming - have adopted so-called 'trigger laws' that will ban abortion virtually immediately. Ten others have pre-1973 laws that could go into force or legislation that would ban abortion after six weeks, before many women even know they are pregnant.

The decision means that women with unwanted pregnancies in large swathes of America will now face the choice of travelling to another state where the procedure remains legal and available, buying abortion pills online or having a potentially dangerous illegal abortion.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...stitution-does-not-confer-right-abortion.html

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More than half of all US states have some kind of abortion ban law likely to take effect now that Roe v Wade has been overturned by the United States Supreme Court.

According to the pro-reproductive rights group The Guttmacher Institute, there are 26 states that will likely make abortions illegal now that the Supreme Court has overturned the landmark 1973 ruling.

18 have existing abortion bans that have previously been ruled unconstitutional, four have time limit bans and four are likely to pass laws once Roe v Wade is overturned, the organization found.

The 18 states that have near-total bans on abortion already on the books are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

In addition, Georgia, Iowa, Ohio, and South Carolina all have laws that ban abortions after the six-week mark.

Florida, Indiana, Montana and Nebraska, are likely to pass bills when Roe v Wade is overturned, the Guttmacher Institute said.

Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Texas, West Virginia and Wisconsin's bans all have pre-Roe v Wade laws that became unenforceable after the Supreme Court's 1973 decision - that would kick into effect now the federal legal precedent established in Roe has been overturned.

Arkansas, Oklahoma, Mississippi and Texas have further bans that will come into effect if the law was overturned. These were passed post-Roe v Wade.

They're joined by Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and Wyoming, in passing such laws.

The states that will limit abortions based on the length of time a patient has been pregnant are Arkansas, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, North Dakota and Ohio.

There are four states that have laws that state abortion is not a constitutionally protected right: Alabama, Louisiana, Texas and West Virginia.
 
President Joe Biden said Friday that 'it's a sad day for the court and the country' after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that legalized abortion nationwide.

'Now with Roe gone, let's be very clear, the health and life of women across this nation are now at risk,' he said from the White House.

He added that 'the court has done what it's never done before - expressly taking away a constitution right that is so fundamental to so many Americans,' he said. 'It's a realization of an extreme ideology and a tragic error by the Supreme Court in my view.'

He said the fight over abortion rights 'is not over.' Biden said his administration will protect access to contraceptives and will do everything in his power to combat efforts to restrict women from traveling to other states to obtain abortions.

The court today overturned a landmark ruling that effectively legalised abortions across America, handing the power to decide whether or not to permit the procedure back to individual states.

The decision by the court's conservative majority to overrule the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling has ended constitutional protections for abortion that had been in place nearly 50 years.

The vote was 5-4 to overturn Roe, with Chief Justice John Roberts writing separately to say he would have upheld the Mississippi law but not taken the additional step of erasing the precedent altogether.

At the same time, the court voted 6-3 to uphold a Mississippi law that bans abortions after 15 weeks, with very few medical exceptions.

The justices held that the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that allowed abortions performed before a fetus would be viable outside the womb - between 24 and 28 weeks of pregnancy - was wrongly decided because the U.S. Constitution makes no specific mention of abortion rights.

Roe v. Wade was centered around 'Jane Roe', a pseudonym for Norma McCorvey, a single mother pregnant for the third time, who wanted an abortion. She sued the Dallas attorney general Henry Wade over a Texas law that made it a crime to terminate a pregnancy except in cases of rape or incest, or when the mother's life was in danger - arguing that the law infringed on her constitutional rights.

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The Supreme Court: Seated from left are Associate Justice Samuel Alito, Associate Justice Clarence Thomas, Chief Justice John Roberts, Associate Justice Stephen Breyer and Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor, Standing from left are Associate Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Associate Justice Elena Kagan, Associate Justice Neil Gorsuch and Associate Justice Amy Coney Barrett.
 
hollydolly said:
More than half of all US states have some kind of abortion ban law likely to take effect now that Roe v Wade has been overturned by the United States Supreme Court.

According to the pro-reproductive rights group The Guttmacher Institute, there are 26 states that will likely make abortions illegal now that the Supreme Court has overturned the landmark 1973 ruling.

18 have existing abortion bans that have previously been ruled unconstitutional, four have time limit bans and four are likely to pass laws once Roe v Wade is overturned, the organization found.

The 18 states that have near-total bans on abortion already on the books are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

In addition, Georgia, Iowa, Ohio, and South Carolina all have laws that ban abortions after the six-week mark.

Florida, Indiana, Montana and Nebraska, are likely to pass bills when Roe v Wade is overturned, the Guttmacher Institute said.

Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Texas, West Virginia and Wisconsin's bans all have pre-Roe v Wade laws that became unenforceable after the Supreme Court's 1973 decision - that would kick into effect now the federal legal precedent established in Roe has been overturned.

Arkansas, Oklahoma, Mississippi and Texas have further bans that will come into effect if the law was overturned. These were passed post-Roe v Wade.

They're joined by Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and Wyoming, in passing such laws.

The states that will limit abortions based on the length of time a patient has been pregnant are Arkansas, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, North Dakota and Ohio.

There are four states that have laws that state abortion is not a constitutionally protected right: Alabama, Louisiana, Texas and West Virginia.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/17/...abortion-state-constitution-ruling/index.html
 
oldaunt said:
Maybe a whole lot of young women need educated on the proper use of contraceptives. Then, as far as "my body" thing, why do they keep letting men use them for unprotected sex? WHOSE body??
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Some women are using contraceptives properly, and get pregnant anyway.

You make it sound like pregnancy is the women's fault. Kind of like when people blame Eve for Adam's downfall, something I have heard many times. Are you thinking that men are stupid for the choices they make and sometimes blame on women, from eating an apple to having unprotected sex?

There are men who, when they find out their girlfriend, or sex worker, or late-night pick up got pregnant, will offer to pay for the abortion. But if the woman doesn't want an abortion, they will have nothing to do with the baby.

Men are as responsible as women are for pregnancies. I bet abortion would have been legal for a long time if men could get pregnant. I also think that their are a lot of religious men, politicians, adulterers, really men from all walks of life, who have urged their companions to get an abortion, and sometimes paid them never to tell anyone about it.
 
You're right men are as responsible for pregnancies as women. However if it's obvious the man is intent on having sex without protection it's entirely up to the woman to use protection herself, and many don't.. and then use Abortion as a method of Birth control. I know women personally, who've done that...

of course there are situations where an accidental pregnancy occurs or a pregnancy caused by violence of some description, and in that case a woman should have the right to terminate, there's no question IMO about that... but otherwise I feel that any woman who knows she doesn't want a child, should fist and foremost be the one to take precautions.. then ensure that the man does the same
 
  • Disney said it will cover the cost of travel for 'family planning' for any worker who cannot access care where they live, including 'pregnancy-related decisions'
  • Buzzfeed will provide a stipend to employees to travel out of state to access legal abortion services
  • Dick's Sporting Goods is reimbursing employees $4,000 in travel expenses
  • Amazon will provide $4,000 for travel expenses outside of 100 miles of an employee's home
  • Starbucks will reimburse all abortion travel expenses not available within 100 miles
  • Yelp will reimburse travel costs for employees who can't access services in their home state
  • Microsoft will reimburse employees for travel expenses related to an abortion

  • Apple will cover all travel expenses
  • Netflix will pay up to $10,000 for travel reimbursement for abortions
  • Tesla pays for travel and lodging for employees who get an abortion outside their home state
  • Levi Strauss & Co. said it would reimburse workers who travel out of state to get an abortion
  • JPMorgan Chase said it would expand its health plan to cover travel expenses for employees getting an abortion
  • Starbucks will reimburse travel expenses for an abortion or gender-affirming procedure that is not available within 100 miles of an employee's home
    • Citigroup will provide abortion travel benefits
    • Mastercard will pay for travel and lodging for employees who need to travel out of state for abortion services
    • Lyft will cover travel costs for employees enrolled in the company health care plan who need to travel more than 100 miles for an abortion
    • Zillow will reimburse employees up to $7,500 to travel significant distances for reproductive services, gender-affirming care and other procedures

FIRMS PAYING WORKERS' ABORTION EXPENSES ^^^^​

 
There have been no riots as of last night. Women are very upset though and rightly so.

I have mixed feelings about the issue. In my child bearing years the only way I would terminate would be in the case or sexual assault or detrimental to health.

I feel women should not use abortion as a means of contraception but rather use other means unless it is a case of sexual assault or health risk. Then I think abortion would be warranted.

The problem now will be women getting illegal abortions that can kill them. And that is a big problem.
 
Ruthanne said:
There have been no riots as of last night. Women are very upset though and rightly so.

I have mixed feelings about the issue. In my child bearing years the only way I would terminate would be in the case or sexual assault or detrimental to health.

I feel women should not use abortion as a means of contraception but rather use other means unless it is a case of sexual assault or health risk. Then I think abortion would be warranted.

The problem now will be women getting illegal abortions that can kill them. And that is a big problem.
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I doubt they'll have to get illegal abortions, I sincerely believe that there will be a solution to this, because America cannot step back into the Victorian dark ages... it just doesn't make any sense.
 
hollydolly said:
I doubt they'll have to get illegal abortions, I sincerely believe that there will be a solution to this, because America cannot step back into the Victorian dark ages... it just doesn't make any sense.
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You're right about not stepping back into the Victorian Age. My state has already banned abortion after 6 wks. of pregnancy. They did it right after the ruling. I surely hope there will be a solution because a lot of women get pregnant and unintentionally too.

I wish the new SCOTUS person had been there but she's not in yet.
 
Ruthanne said:
How can you be sure? The new lady is a democrat.
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What? It still would have been 6-3, that's how I'm sure. What kind of difference would it have made. Besides, she'll be in very soon. There are only 3 liberals on the court, now and when she takes over.
 
Pepper said:
What? It still would have been 6-3, that's how I'm sure. What kind of difference would it have made. Besides, she'll be in very soon. There are only 3 liberals on the court, now and when she takes over.
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Oh you're too kind. Maybe she would have influenced the rest that's how I think.
 
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