Suspect in Fatal Portland Shooting Is Killed by Officers During Arrest

Warrigal said:
I would prefer him to have been taken alive and tried for murder.
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And I, too, however, I've lost any/all trust and faith in the justice system. In the back of mind I seen the suspect get arrested, tried and convicted, followed by a light sentence, and within 5 years, he would have been back out on the street.

Now, the loose-cannon is gone, scrubbed from the face of this planet forever. There's something comforting to me about that.

Live by the gun, die by the gun.
 
Gaer said:
The officers sometimes have only a split second to make life or death decisions.
Think of the pressure these officers are under,especially in Portland!
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Back years ago, I was told this by another old timer Trooper. He had told me that one of the 'fellows' in a think tanks here in the U.S. did a study on human emotions as it played out in a police officer. After 2 years of study, (He probably was given a million dollar grant by the government to do this study.), he came to conclusion that a police officer when faced with the decision of whether to shoot or not to shoot and given that he was in a situation where his life depended upon his decision, he/she has less than a half of a second to make that decision. I didn't know what to make of that and still don't.
 
A murder suspect not a guy with a gun. Police already knew the suspect has killed with a gun. I think this was nothing but suicide by cop. POS gave a bs interview shortly before. I think he knew the jig was just about up and wanted to get in his version/narrative. His buddy and possible accomplice is already trying to immortalize him, play the victim card etc.
 
Hope everyone remembers that our nation was founded by disguised thugs who staged a Boston Tea Party, thereby looting the stored tea owned by our own government (at the time) and then threw this government property into the Sea! The Government would no longer tolerate such anarchy. As @macgeek said "force should have been used on day one.... it should have been made very clear that lawlessness will not be tolerated."
 
Pepper said:
Hope everyone remembers that our nation was founded by disguised thugs who staged a Boston Tea Party, thereby looting the stored tea owned by our own government (at the time) and then threw this government property into the Sea! The Government would no longer tolerate such anarchy. As @macgeek said "force should have been used on day one.... it should have been made very clear that lawlessness will not be tolerated."
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Fail to see any connection whatsoever.
 
Pepper said:
Hope everyone remembers that our nation was founded by disguised thugs who staged a Boston Tea Party, thereby looting the stored tea owned by our own government (at the time) and then threw this government property into the Sea! The Government would no longer tolerate such anarchy. As @macgeek said "force should have been used on day one.... it should have been made very clear that lawlessness will not be tolerated."
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just to clarify my statement, protesting something you don't like is fine. rioting and looting and stealing/damaging property should not be tolerated (which is what I was trying to get across I thought that was clear-- guess not). I don't agree with many things our government does. But I'm not out in the streets breaking laws and hurting other people.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Fail to see any connection whatsoever.
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I understand why. Rebel that I am, I was not referring to the OP but to it's audience, especially people being outraged. The outrage is only getting started. And before condemning, look to our own history while we still have it in print. Or didn't we learn it in school? I did, elementary at that.
 
People like the late Mr. Reinoehl have/had much more in common with the Weather Underground idiots who blew themselves up making bombs in a townhouse on East 10th Street in 1970 (perhaps you remember) than they do with the rebels in New England circa 1770.
 
JimBob1952 said:
People like the late Mr. Reinoehl have/had much more in common with the Weather Underground idiots who blew themselves up making bombs in a townhouse on East 10th Street in 1970 (perhaps you remember) than they do with the rebels in New England circa 1770.
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I more than remember JimBob. And they were not called Weather Underground at that point. Perhaps you remember Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).
 
They were most definitely Weather Underground.

This is from the Washington Post, a review of a book on the subject by Bryan Burrough:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8f8b8c-d17f-11e4-8fce-3941fc548f1c_story.html

"The deadly Weather bombing that is most remembered was the accidental detonation of a Greenwich Village townhouse on March 6, 1970. One hundred pounds of dynamite had been brought to the family home of Weather’s Cathy Wilkerson so that amateur bombmaker Terry Robbins could assemble multiple devices in preparation for attacking that evening’s dance at Fort Dix, an Army base 70 miles south of Manhattan. "

What's nice is that they were planning to kill service people and their dates at a dance. Fortunately, they blew themselves up instead.
 
Warrigal said:
I would prefer him to have been taken alive and tried for murder.
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The US prisons are already overflowing....and costing the taxpayers 10's of billions of dollars/yr to warehouse these thugs. That is wasted money, IMO, that could be far better put to use supporting those who obey the laws. I'm not a fan of Sharia law, but it seems those people have a better take on violent criminals.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mass-incarceration-cost_n_57d82d99e4b09d7a687fde21
 
From USA Today:

"Reinoehl also was wanted on a warrant out of Baker County in Eastern Oregon, where court records show he skipped a hearing related to a June case in which he has been charged with driving under the influence of controlled substances, reckless driving, reckless endangerment and unlawful possession of a firearm.

Police said he drove on an interstate at up to 111 mph, with his daughter in the car, while racing his 17-year-old son, who was in a different vehicle."

Guess those are some charges he won't have to face.
 
@JimBob1952
I remember casual references to Weathermen, not yet Weather Underground at the time. However, 2 nights before the accidental bombing of the townhouse, the people involved held a private SDS meeting at an NYU building although the majority of the people there were from Columbia U or University of Chicago. They were publicly still known as SDS until the townhouse explosion 36 hours later.
 
Pepper said:
@JimBob1952
I remember casual references to Weathermen, not yet Weather Underground at the time. However, 2 nights before the accidental bombing of the townhouse, the people involved held a private SDS meeting at an NYU building although the majority of the people there were from Columbia U or University of Chicago. They were publicly still known as SDS until the townhouse explosion 36 hours later.
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As Shakespeare said, "What's in a name?" Garbage is garbage. My one regret is that two perpetrators (Cathy Wilkerson and Diana Oughton) survived and escaped. And my mistake, the townhouse was on West 11th Street.
 
Warri was right in that this suspect seems to have been a participant and not just a individual. He should've been questioned-intensely. Video follows the suspects in the killing from minutes prior and after. The cameraman knew something was going to happen and playing dumb throughout the video.

https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1147908220704985088 LLP

One of the creepiest and agonizing videos I've watched of late. Runs a little over 7 minutes. This was not a random act. Nor was there just one person. The police got a participant, that's it others got away.
 
Subject 2 and a woman.

As in the first video posted surveillance cameras else where seem to have picked up subject 2 along with a woman. Subject 2 also ran away from the scene after the shooting. At least 2 more suspects still at large.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...it-fatal-shooting-pro-Trump-demonstrator.html

The question is were they looking for 'a' target or the victim himself for activity that night? This was planned, maybe not 'the' victim going into the attack but they wanted a body.

Also the suspect traded pot for a gun from his son. Wonderful pos has propagated more of his ilk upon society
 
Warrigal said:
Yes, that is true, but I believe in justice being seen to be done.
Anything else has a tendency to undermine justice itself.
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As a country Great Britain once had the option of sending those criminals they did not hang to live on the other side of the world as you may know.

Here's the funny thing, if they survived the arduous journey they often made good, hard working citizens in their new country, (Australia, before it became Australia perhaps), whilst back at home in dear old blighty there appeared to be just as much crime, and just as many wrong uns as there had ever been. You'll back this story up I hope, but if it is indeed true, what does it tell you?

I'd say it tells you human being can be condemned, wiped from the face of the earth as often as anyone might desire this outcome, but you'll never be free of crime, criminals or violence associated with them in spite of your efforts. A man who passed this way many centuries ago is supposed to have said something similar concerning those locked up in his day I believe(?)
 
I certainly can back that up. Recently my daughter has been digging into our own family history and has found that a couple of my forebears arrived in the first fleet of transported convicts. There were others that arrived subsequently until transportation ended in mid 19th century.

When the convicts had served their sentences it was usually not possible to return home and they were often given grants of land to grow food for the colony. Our ancestors were rewarded in this way.

Some "ticket of leave" convicts helped build the colony in other ways. Francis Greenway designed some of our most treasured historic public buildings, William Farrer bred new strains of wheat that were suitable for Australian conditions and William Redfern practised medicine in Sydney.

Australia, with such a tainted beginning, is as good a place to live today, and has been for many decades, as any other place on this earth. We still have crime but we don't execute criminals any more.

In my lifetime it has come out that some criminals have been executed on the streets of Sydney by corrupt police. The rackets were controlled and protected by certain members of the police force and they would get rid of unco-operative gangsters by shooting them, claiming that they were armed and dangerous. The guns found beside the bodies later turned out to be untraceable weapons from the police lockers known as "throw downs". This is of considerable interest in our household and Hubby was at school with one of the most notorious of the corrupt policemen who was convicted of several murders. There were together in the same class at his elementary school. His name is Roger Rogerson.
 

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