Syrian Refugee Crisis

I never have been accused of being one of the sharper knives in the drawer......I'm tired of trying to figure it out, what in heck does QFT stand for.
 
IKE said:
I never have been accused of being one of the sharper knives in the drawer......I'm tired of trying to figure it out, what in heck does QFT stand for.
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Quoted for truth. In other words, you strongly agree.
 

In the US Constitution we dedicate the Constitution for the protection and freedom of the people living here. That is the main thing about the concerns of just having too much happening too fast. Serbia being the main mass. We have Serbian here already, some accepted and now living here. Some caught after sneaking in through our unprotected Mexican border. More will be accepted as soon as the security of them is assured.
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US Constitution preamble.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
 
Are you talking about the SYRIANS or Serbians Bob? If Syrians, and you're referring to the two families (eight in total) who turned themselves in at that Texas border, then you're guilty of fomenting trouble when you refer to them as 'sneaking in'. Are you sure you want to be part of the spin because we all understand the purpose of telling the story the way that too many are.
 
You know, the thing that one hardly hears in any of the rhetoric that's flying these last few days/weeks/months is 'why is there no talk in the West about cutting off the funding for these monsters'? Why? And why is the West insisting on eliminating Assad and refusing to work with Russia on going after these monsters? Remember, Russia is insisting on a democratic election in Syria and letting the people vote for who they want and isn't that exemplary? But America says no, not sure at this point what Trudeau's policy on that score is and the battle drags on and on and..... What are the real priorities?
 
This touched my heart. A Vancouver real estate developer has offered a twelve unit building for first housing for Syrian refugees. Also Vancouver Jewish temple has raised 40k to sponsor Syrian family.
 
Debby said:
Are you talking about the SYRIANS or Serbians Bob? If Syrians, and you're referring to the two families (eight in total) who turned themselves in at that Texas border, then you're guilty of fomenting trouble when you refer to them as 'sneaking in'. Are you sure you want to be part of the spin because we all understand the purpose of telling the story the way that too many are.
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You are right. They did not sneak in as I said. They had been watched and were stopped at the border. I just read that after the stop the men were sent someplace for more checking and the women and children were sent to some where else. Unsure of today's status.

Our southern border is mostly open and a week or so back I posted about an event where I lived happened. It told of people with packs of drugs on their backs that had walked across the border and were head north of where I live and towards the Phoenix area. Near 70 miles past the border and still walking along. But the police and border patrol raided their movement and arrested many while others ran away. We do need more efforts on our border, fencing and people, and they had been planned, but then stopped a few years back.
 
QuickSilver said:
I'm Hoping the USA takes some.. If we don't... so much for the "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
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Are you saying that you have complete confidence in our countries security apparatus to insure that none of these so called women and children are sleepers. Don't forget, It was a female in France that just blew her self up. In addition there are Syrian factions that may wish to do serious harm to the immigrants. There are just too many security risks and complications by in letting them in. Compassion should not over rule common sense.
 
Lon said:
Are you saying that you have complete confidence in our countries security apparatus to insure that none of these so called women and children are sleepers. Don't forget, It was a female in France that just blew her self up. In addition there are Syrian factions that may wish to do serious harm to the immigrants. There are just too many security risks and complications by in letting them in. Compassion should not over rule common sense.
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Check this out:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/20/isis-suspects-us-citizens-syria?CMP=fb_gu

It's not 5 year old Syrian kids you need to worry about.
 
A large part of the difficulty in defending against ISIS and middle east terrorism as a whole is that they are organized and operate remarkably like an infectious disease. Like the plague, they need a host in order to survive and spread. Without a host the disease will quickly die or become ineffective. The host for ISIS and other terrorist organizations is the Muslim religion. Most Muslims are peaceful, honorable people. Their society does though carry the plague of ISIS et. al. It seems to me that it is incumbent on the Muslim religion to purge itself of the ISIS disease. However, I see too many reports pointing toward their being a lot of ISIS support among wealthy Muslims especially in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Also, there is a lot of fear of terrorists generated in the Muslim religion similar to the way the Mafia and KKK kept a host through intimidation and through backing of religious and political leaders. Until the Muslim religion can effectively purge itself of the ISIS disease, the only effective protection is to quarantine it. Quarantining is a hard and horrifying action to take. But it is less so than watching this plague cause death and misery in our own homes.
 
Hmmm. I disagree. Much horror has been committed in the name of Jesus and Yahweh. Other religions also. Much of the present terrorism has it's roots in the poverty, disaffection, non inclusion of marginalized youth. Part of the rise of ISIL/DAESH


is due to centuries old conflicts within the Middle East, but hegemonic practices by world powers bear a large responsibility also. Until we are willing and able to take responsibility for our poor foreign policy, this situation will repeat. As for quarantine,
my Jewish relatives cringe at the thought.
 
Shalimar said:
Hmmm. I disagree. Much horror has been committed in the name of Jesus and Yahweh. Other religions also. Much of the present terrorism has it's roots in the poverty, disaffection, non inclusion of marginalized youth. Part of the rise of ISIL/DAESH


is due to centuries old conflicts within the Middle East, but hegemonic practices by world powers bear a large responsibility also. Until we are willing and able to take responsibility for our poor foreign policy, this situation will repeat. As for quarantine,
my Jewish relatives cringe at the thought.
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And the Jewish nation is one of the most willing to attack groups like Isis and protect their own folks. Much better than the way the US has gone in recent years.
 
Warrigal said:
Very funny, and yet not funny.
Is that a paradox or a conundrum?
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Warrigal, where did you dig up such a misguided poster as that. The people of the US are not afraid of our military for good reasons. One is that they are not intending to take our arms and the government can not order them to do so.

We are not afraid of the refugees either. So both of those comments are out right lies. We are afraid to allow killers slip in with the refugees too quickly. The action is to slow down the admissions a bit to allow better screening to happen. For sure the single women with children will be among the first allowed in. The younger single men will be among those heavily screened before entry. This is smart work and it is all within out legal rights per the constitution.

I thought you would be smarter than to believe this poster to be true.
 
This behaviour by Israel has little to do with the Jewish religion, and everything to do with the rise of rightwing Zionism. Do you remember when they attacked an American ship? I refuse to praise a government that sanctions the torture of children.
 
Wow, disagreement equals lack of intelligence? Who knew? Lol. Seriously, we all have the right to disagree without having our intelligence questioned. In Warri's case, such a suggestion falls apart.
 
BobF said:
Warrigal, where did you dig up such a misguided poster as that. The people of the US are not afraid of our military for good reasons. One is that they are not intending to take our arms and the government can not order them to do so.

We are not afraid of the refugees either. So both of those comments are out right lies. We are afraid to allow killers slip in with the refugees too quickly. The action is to slow down the admissions a bit to allow better screening to happen. For sure the single women with children will be among the first allowed in. The younger single men will be among those heavily screened before entry. This is smart work and it is all within out legal rights per the constitution.

I thought you would be smarter than to believe this poster to be true.
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First, I wasn't the one who found that meme. It was QuickSilver.

Second, I have seen plenty of posts and links that indicate there is a substantial fraction of the US public who do think that the government is planning to use the military to disarm them and a sizeable number of these stand ready to defy the might of the US government by force of (small) arms. We did see an actual stand off when cattle were ordered to be removed from a national park, although in the end no shots were exchanged.

That's why I found the meme funny in the ironic sense.
But at another level it is not funny at all, hence my reference to paradox.
 
Shalimar;372423]Hmmm. I disagree. Much horror has been committed in the name of Jesus and Yahweh. Other religions also. Much of the present terrorism has it's roots in the poverty, disaffection, non inclusion of marginalized youth. Part of the rise of ISIL/DAESH


is due to centuries old conflicts within the Middle East, but hegemonic practices by world powers bear a large responsibility also. Until we are willing and able to take responsibility for our poor foreign policy, this situation will repeat. As for quarantine,
my Jewish relatives cringe at the thought.
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I don't disagree with what you said Shalimar. However, if I understand the discussion thread it deals with resolving the current Syrian refugee crisis not placing blame for how this whole mess started or who's responsible. That's for the historians to figure out if the world survives the current crises. Having the Pope apologize for the crusades and the Spanish Inquisition is not going to mean much to radical Islam causing them to cease the war from which the refugees are fleeing. The problem at question here does not involve making up for centuries of internal and external strife in the Arab world. Simply put, it involves not having Jihad John's replacement making videos of decapitating children with a K-Bar on Saturday mornings at the mall in Des Moines. The initial step is containment. Allowing ISIS unfettered access to the world by posing as something they are not (radicals in victimized Muslim's clothing) is hardly a new idea if you will remember the Trojan Horse trick. Its an old one, but a very effective one.

I have friends who are Jewish living both here in the U.S. and in Israel. Through my correspondence with them I have gathered that their attitude is the same as that of your Jewish relatives in that they too cringe at the thought of a Muslim quarantine. After decades of terrorist attacks on the Israeli homeland, they would love to see all the Muslims migrate to Europe and the West and away from Israel's borders. Some have more dramatic ideas on how to resolve the spread of radical Islam's terrorism, but they should probably not be discussed here.
 

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