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AZ Jim

AZ Jim

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the work of the evangelists. They are electing them, they are pandering to them and honestly they are creating the "war on religion" they constantly scream about. Do we really want to allow a theology to rule us? Islam is such a theology, want it as the law? Do you want to bring back the witch burning, the stocks, all the trappings of all the "religions" we have here? As it stands, look at all the important issues of our times and what is behind them, Abortion, Gay rights, etc., separation of church and state is a enemy to their cause. We curse the effect of the Islamic law that is become so predominate in our field of problems. THEY are ruled by an ideology, do we want that here? In an effort to gain, hold and use power it is exactly where the GOP would take us.... .
 

Jim, the separation is written in the Constitution and has held for over 200 years now. Actually look at the US population and religions and the religion has dropped from about 90% a few years back to about 80% or less these days. The only one I see as a danger to the US would be the Muslims as they like to have their governments run by the Church and try to emphasize that where they have enough percentage in the population.

So if we keep all religions separated from our government we should be OK.
 
Anyway you look at it, the GOP has allowed itself to become the catalyst of a takeover of our government by fanatic religious zealots. They completely disregard separation of church and state.
 
AZ Jim said:
the work of the evangelists. They are electing them, they are pandering to them and honestly they are creating the "war on religion" they constantly scream about. Do we really want to allow a theology to rule us? Islam is such a theology, want it as the law? Do you want to bring back the witch burning, the stocks, all the trappings of all the "religions" we have here? As it stands, look at all the important issues of our times and what is behind them, Abortion, Gay rights, etc., separation of church and state is a enemy to their cause. We curse the effect of the Islamic law that is become so predominate in our field of problems. THEY are ruled by an ideology, do we want that here? In an effort to gain, hold and use power it is exactly where the GOP would take us.... .
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Unfortunately we have it here, Jim. We pretend otherwise, but its even more obvious than racism.
I could say more here, but you have already said it quite well. I agree. The greatest danger we face is not from the Muslims in this country but the Evangelicals.
 
Underock1 said:
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The greatest danger we face is not from the Muslims in this country but the Evangelicals.
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...and again, I am irritated to no end by how all Christians suffer a black eye, due to the un-Christian-like behavior and words of the right-winger types.
 
I come down as blaming the religious right for attempting to thwart the laws of the land to match their beliefs and I also blame the republicans who are now and have in the past used this religious passion as a tool to gain the votes necessary to get elected.
 
AZ Jim said:
the work of the evangelists. They are electing them, they are pandering to them and honestly they are creating the "war on religion" they constantly scream about. Do we really want to allow a theology to rule us? Islam is such a theology, want it as the law? Do you want to bring back the witch burning, the stocks, all the trappings of all the "religions" we have here? As it stands, look at all the important issues of our times and what is behind them, Abortion, Gay rights, etc., separation of church and state is a enemy to their cause. We curse the effect of the Islamic law that is become so predominate in our field of problems. THEY are ruled by an ideology, do we want that here? In an effort to gain, hold and use power it is exactly where the GOP would take us.... .
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I'm out of this loop. Can you offer a link to something that indicates what is happening, and the extent of it?

I'm completely unaware of the organisational structure of US political parties. Where is policy set and what controls are in place over local and state branches?
In other words, is there any such thing as a monolithic Republican (or Democrat) Party or is it different things in different parts of the country?
 
Dame Warrigal said:
I'm out of this loop. Can you offer a link to something that indicates what is happening, and the extent of it?

I'm completely unaware of the organisational structure of US political parties. Where is policy set and what controls are in place over local and state branches?
In other words, is there any such thing as a monolithic Republican (or Democrat) Party or is it different things in different parts of the country?
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No DW I cannot. It is something that is so wide in scope and covers so many issues that frankly anyone who hasn't lived here and been politically active could not be brought up to speed on quickly. Americans who follow current events know of all of the issues that go into the problem. It's compact explanation (though not anything close to the whole spectrum) might be our Constitutional guarantee separation of church and state. It has been and is being eroded by pandering politicians and right wing religious organizations.
 
yes DW... It's frightening.... and I'm afraid it's a Frankenstein monster created by the Republican party to garner the votes of the old Dixie Crats of the Southern states. Now that they have let the Genie out of the bottle, they can't control it.. It is contrary to our Constitution in every way.

Just yesterday, one of the top Republican candidates, Ben Carson stated unequivocally that a Muslim should NEVER be president. Yet our Constitution states there should be no religious test to hold the office. The Constitution be damned to these folks. They will interpret it as they see fit.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Wow. This is the first time I've ever encountered words like reconstructionism, dominionism and theonomy.
What on earth are they preaching in churches over there?

Our minister is trying to introduce us to process theology and most of us sit there with our eyes glazed over.

https://carm.org/questions-process-theology
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Wow. Just looked at your post on Process Theology. It sounds great to me, but I'm a total non-believer. From what I read, it looks to me like its saying lets keep the church and throw away God. If you want to call him something else to make you feel good, that's O.K. No need for the Bible. We can stop the hopeless task of trying to defend it as the word of God. This is all fine in my book. I think we do need the church as a community of good people doing good. Its the dogma, with all of its fear mongering, and hate fomenting that I deplore. But that's me. What about you guys? If I was a believer in a personal God, I think I would be very very upset by this. I don't see how you could call it Christianity any more. Sounds like Humanism to me.
Is your minister presenting this as the way to go, or just as an education that the philosophy exists?
 
One thing some folks seem to be not seeing is that for any religion to be able to be in charge they would have to be a majority of the folks. Most likely then it would be Catholics at 28% of the US population. The there are 46.5% of Protestants of many different types. None seem to be large enough to take over the country and change our ways. And these numbers also include the Democrat party as well as other political parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States

Religion in the United State


This article is about the current status of religion in the United States. For information about the historical role of religion, see History of religion in the United States.
Religion in the United States is characterized by a diversity of religious beliefs and practices. Various religious faiths have flourished in the United States. A majority of Americans report that religion plays a very important role in their lives, a proportion unique among developed countries.[SUP][1][/SUP]
The majority of Americans identify themselves as Christians, while close to a quarter claim no religious affiliation.[SUP][2][/SUP] According to a 2014 study by the Pew Research Center, 70.6% of the American population identified themselves as Christians, with 46.5% professing attendance at a variety of churches that could be considered Protestant, and 20.8% professing Roman Catholic beliefs. The same study says that other religions (including Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, and Hinduism) collectively make up about 6% of the population. According to a 2012 survey by the Pew forum, 36 percent of Americans state that they attend services nearly every week or more.[SUP][3][/SUP] According to the 2013 Gallup poll, Mississippi with 61% of its population described as very religious (say that religion is important to them and attend religious services almost every week) is the most religious state in the country, while Vermont with only 22% as very religious is the least religious state.[SUP][4][/SUP]
 
QuickSilver said:
yes DW... It's frightening.... and I'm afraid at Frankenstein monster created by the Republican party to garner votes of the old Dixie Crats of the Southern states. Now that they have let the Genie out of the bottle, they can't control it.. It is contrary to our Constitution in every way.

Just yesterday, one of the top Republican candidates, Ben Carson stated unequivocally that a Muslim should NEVER be president. Yet our Constitution states there should be no religious test to hold the office. The Constitution be damned to these folks. They will interpret it as they see fit.
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Yes, QS and Jim describe what is happening very well....the Republican party let the extreme religious tea party in, they are now in our government and a very real danger to our country, it is very apparent in the Republican debates......Huckabee and Cruz being a perfect example of the danger.
 
Jackie22 said:
Yes, QS and Jim describe what is happening very well....the Republican party let the extreme religious tea party in, they are now in our government and a very real danger to our country, it is very apparent in the Republican debates......Huckabee and Cruz being a perfect example of the danger.
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I believe the Republican party is going the way of the Whigs.. which also self destructed. The GOP will be replaced by these radicals.
 
Interesting that the Democrats are also involved in this religious thing, like it or not. Neither the Republicans or Democrats control enough folks in their parties to run this nation. Both parties depend on others to join in and help them to vote in who they want so they can play the game of being in the majority, and they are not a majority.

In general there are 30 percent in Democrat memberships and 30 percent in Republican memberships which leave 40 percent swinging one way or the other. It is this 40 percent that actually make one party or the other to be the controlling group. Technically, there should be no parties controlling the government as the Constitution does not see parties and gives the vote to everyone according to their localities wants and needs.

These claims that the Democrats are making do not speak of truth as they are just as dependent on the independents as the Republicans are for control of anything at all.
 

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