The blind to be allowed gun permits?

Sid said:
You have one group of people who can carry a firearm,the police.
The rest of the population can not.
Does that worry you.
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It would worry me more if any nutters that lived close by had guns.
As I said before The worry is those both here & in America(under both our laws) who ILLEGALLY OWN & USE FIREARMS.
I seen an article while reading all thes postings of a 3 year old girl in America that got hold of a fire arm & shot herself!

DOES THIS WORRY YOU!!!!!
 

I think that blind people should be allowed to exercise their right to have a gun for their own personal protection. They are not going to go running down the street shooting wildly at every shadow, that's absurd. But, if they're alone in their house, and a criminal comes in to do them bodily harm, they should definitely be allowed to pull their gun and shoot that person. If they're being grabbed by the throat and punched in the face, they absolutely should be able to pull a gun from their waistband and kill the offender before they kill him.

My husband used to be away for several weeks at a time, and left me at home with a loaded gun. If someone was to break in and try to rape me, beat me, kill me, or all of the above, I would at least have a fighting chance to save myself. We've had that gun ready and loaded for forty years now, and have not yet needed to use it. Why should a blind person, who's considered an easy target anyway by scumbags, be totally helpless in the area of self defense?
 
rkunsaw said:
So law abiding citizens aren't allowed to have guns but biker gangs can?
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:lofl: Sounds that way doesn't it? Not so. They're all illegal guns and we don't have enough cops to hit them all at once so no way of stopping a certain amount of that happening. Actually it's not such a bad thing so far, they're only killing off each other, don't recall any innocent bystanders getting hit lately. All good.

Some mentioned guns being 'forbidden' here.. nup, far from it, just a lot more restricted and needing a bit more work put into owning one than buying it from a road side stall that's all.... Hand guns harder still. You actually have to prove that you need it for something useful here, like hunting, feral pests on farms or target sport. Just wanting to wave it about to impress the neighbours doesn't cut it.
Semi autos etc are banned. Hunting rifles and farm grade fox eye removers are not all that hard for rural dwellers and hunters to get legally. Securing them is the bigger PIA. They have to be kept in gun safes which makes it awkward if you're in a hurry to break up a feral dog pack getting stuck into the sheep or something. siiiigh.

As for "looking down on" gun owners, that's only a city thing. Only a clown with a gun OTT for his needs would raise an eyebrow in the rural regions. They're not so much a bragging/status symbol thing here that's all. A poor shot with a fancy rifle would be viewed much the same a puny loser owning a Pitbull, as having adequacy issues that's all.
 

A thought has just occurred to me of something that should have been blatantly obvious to explain our different cultural reactions to the gun law issue. Fear factor.

It keeps recurring in posts that people are afraid in their own homes hence their affiliation with guns as protection.
We lock the doors and windows, and might keep some really sharp scissors next to the bed but no one I know is really living in the expectation of being accosted by burglars. It happens of course, but we don't live in constant fear of it.
The thought of sleeping with a .45 under the pillow is something which to my knowledge has never occurred to anyone I know.

Our crime rate is probably per capita on a par with the US but that fear in our own homes complex never took hold here.
At least not among the older Australians, 'new' cultures seem to have a different view on it, but that's another argument.

I have no idea if it's the fear that fuels the need for guns, or if it's the perceived need of the guns which fuels the fear.

I am however thankful that it's not our problem. It's not a great way to have to live.

Oh, and we never entertain the thought that our own Government might roll out the tanks to impose martial law on us.
They couldn't organize a raffle let alone a military coup.
 
I'm with Di on the fear factor. I don't anticipate violence in my own home from strangers. When someone rings the door bell I open it to see who is there and the wire door is never snibbed, let alone locked. The only thing beside my bed at night is the alarm clock.

I live in a part of Sydney where drive by shootings are not uncommon but as Di says it all seems to be criminals shooting at each other. Even so I don't feel unsafe, day or night.

When I was a young woman with children and my husband went away with his work I simply brought the dog into the house at night instead of bedding her down in the laundry. It helped me to sleep easier because I let her be my ears when I slept. She was just a pet sheep dog but she would have made quite a racket.

From the outside it sometimes seem to us that the US must be engaged in a civil war but my experience of about 5 weeks driving around the west and a visit to New York is that it is just as safe as anywhere else. Mind you that was back in Reagan's era, before the NRA became a lobby group for gun manufacturers and sellers rather than recreational hunters.

Whatever happened to "In God we trust" ?
 
A blind person carrying a gun.....what could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The fear factor most definitely plays a part here....it is put in place and pushed by the NRA and their corporate masters.
 
Anne said:
An axe Tica; really??
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No, not really! I have an axe in the living room but that is solely to chop wood for the fireplace and even then, I've never used it and should put it in the basement.

I do lock the doors at night but not because I'm worried that someone will enter the house, it's because we have very smart racoons in the area and I don't want them coming in. lol

I really don't worry about being robbed. I have two mean looking dogs that would probably lick someone to death, but they sure as hell would bark their brains out if someone was fooling around the house and if someone was actually attacking me, I trust they would take a chunk out of them. In reality, chances are pretty slim it would ever happen so I don't worry about it.

I know Phil, that you will say "be prepared" and that's a great way to think, but I can't be prepared for every "what if", so I'll worry about the things that could actually happen.
 
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Jillaroo said:
HFL I feel you need to understand that the authorities are not taking away the rights of the blind having a gun, in my opinion it is all about ensuring that whoever approaches the blind person be it a friend or it may be an innocent bystander will be safe if the blind person shoots, especially if the blind person is scared and justs shoots at any sound they hear.
I wear glasses but if i was blind there is no way i would want the Government to say it is my right even though you can't see a damn thing, i would tell them to take that right from me and any other blind person as it is just too dangerous to allow a blind person to be armed with a gun, even if they are wanting to protect themselves, get someone to walk with them if they are so worried so they feel more secure
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What a novel mindset that feels safer when the gov takes rights from them.

I'll tell you what, you take care of your blind friends, and I'll take care of mine.
 
Jillaroo said:
It certainly doesn't worry me as they are the Law enforcement , i don't feel the need to be armed
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Jillaroo; said:
They are blue-blooded nobility, and I am merely a peasant. Provided this master/slave relationship continues to be taught by the schools and the media maintains this facade , i don't feel the need to be armed
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Remember, when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.
 
Jambi said:
Remember, when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.
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Very true, dialing 911 and waiting for the police to arrive is not always an option. To the point of the thread, a blind person should also have the same opportunity to save his own life if necessary, the criminal will want to get in and out as quickly as possible.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Very true, dialing 911 and waiting for the police to arrive is not always an option. To the point of the thread, a blind person should also have the same opportunity to save his own life if necessary, the criminal will want to get in and out as quickly as possible.
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I'm also willing to bet a 'blind' person is a much better shot in the dark than someone who relies on their eyes for everything.

Ray Charles rode a motorcycle; in traffic, no less.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Jillaroo;
They are blue-blooded nobility, and I am merely a peasant. Provided this master/slave relationship continues to be taught by the schools and the media maintains this facade , i don't feel the need to be armed


Jambi i don't know where you found these words but they certainly aren't mine
 
Guns are such a hot topic. I might have said this before but feel like repeating it. I never touched a firearm until Uncle Sam handed me an M16 at 18. I learned how to use it well and have never touched another firearm since. I do not care for guns but care much less for a government that wants to deny my and your right to own one.

As far as a blind guy with a gun . . . just stay behind him...
 
Jambi said:
Not sure what that statement means.
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I think I mean this - if I carry a loaded gun in my handbag when I go shopping I am probably thinking that is I feel threatened by someone I will take it out and shoot at them. I may or may not hit the target. I may hit an unintended target. That is very different to being a security guard who is trained to assess a threat and take appropriate action. He can have a licence because of his job and his training. Quite properly IMO I, as a somewhat timid shopper, should not have one.

PS I'm not really timid and I don't want a loaded gun in my handbag. I'm much too careless about where I leave it lying around. I, and everyone around me, is much safer if I am unarmed. Really.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Jambi View Post
What a novel mindset that feels safer when the gov takes rights from them.

I'll tell you what, you take care of your blind friends, and I'll take care of mine.
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That depends on the value of the rights Jambi. We burr up over ones we care about, like a recent half hearted foray into limiting the freedom of the press. But we didn't have to throw rocks about it, we just had to grumble loudly, mostly on talk back radio, and the Government got the message and backed off. Very civilized affair.

So was the gun buy-back. There was enough sense in it for the vast majority to go along with it, and despite the insulting gesture of the PM appearing in public in a bullet proof vest, not a shot was fired over it. The only ammunition expended was cardboard placards and a few catcalls... but his stupid vest protected him.
We don't do assassinations as a rule either, except at the ballot box.

We invented 'laid-back'. We don't need to stand up to swat flies.
But if we do feel something's important enough to fight for, and have to get up, we make it worth the while.

Many rights are more anachronistic traditions rather than relevant to current circumstances. Many more new ones are OTT brainsnaps that make things more complicated than they need be.
Just because something made perfect sense 200 years ago doesn't make it still a great idea, any more than new ones are necessarily 'better' just because they're new. Society changes, some of the rights that keep civilization viable need to change with it.

As mentioned, we're not unduly paranoid about our Government's totalitarian agendas, I doubt it even ever occurs to them, we just worry about their competence to balance a budget.

We're not geared like that, perhaps because our history was very different to yours.
The last time I can recall the Gummint turning the troops loose on civilians here was when the gold miners went on strike back in the 1800s over taxes, and that was more a short brawl than a battle, and I can't even remember who won.
(...and Warri will no doubt point out that I probably even got that wrong.)

We don't fear our own Government, just other people's, and we have an army for that.
 
Warrigal, I don't think that anyone should carry a gun unless they are comfortable with it, and trained to use it. I don't carry one outside of the home, unless when I'm camping in the wilderness. If I did carry one, someone would have to be up on me to use it, like the vet that was beaten to death by those two thugs with flashlights. Would have been nice if he had a concealed carry in his waistband.

I don't like the idea of people carrying around guns and leaving them in their cars or purses. I did work a graveyard shift all alone in a big warehouse in a bad neighborhood for a couple of nights, and I carried a pistol in a holster on me to use if needed. I'm calm enough not to panic and react if not necessary.
 
" But if we do feel something's important enough to fight for, and have to get up, we make it worth the while."

It seems we are a lot alike in that respect. Just have different things to fight for.

"Society changes, some of the rights that keep civilization viable need to change with it."

I am not so sure about that, seems mankind has always had those who want to ride roughshod over others.

Why do rights that keep civilation viable need to change?
 
Warrigal said:
I think I mean this - if I carry a loaded gun in my handbag when I go shopping I am probably thinking that is I feel threatened by someone I will take it out and shoot at them. I may or may not hit the target. I may hit an unintended target. That is very different to being a security guard who is trained to assess a threat and take appropriate action. He can have a licence because of his job and his training. Quite properly IMO I, as a somewhat timid shopper, should not have one.

PS I'm not really timid and I don't want a loaded gun in my handbag. I'm much too careless about where I leave it lying around. I, and everyone around me, is much safer if I am unarmed. Really.
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I will agree You should not have one and respect your decision and will never try to force you to carry one.
Why is it that you and others seem to want to try to keep me from having one.
 
I see that 'fear factor' is a strong force in your argument Jambi but who or what is generating it?

What exactly is making you all so jumpy about gun laws and Governments? Is it really about the 'rights', or about the emotional attachment to the gun's macho image, or something else again? I've known plenty of Americans who never think much about, or mention guns, but it seems to be a touchy subject to poke at for some.

Believe it or not I see good points from both sides of the argument, but the circumstances are different there to here so the same points don't apply equally to both cultures.

There's a difference between caution and fear and we go with caution which has been enough for us. We really should just butt out of US gun laws but they hold a bewildering fascination for us. We should get over that and shut up I think.

What Wiki's version of WWII has to do with this discussion eludes me so I'll let that go through to the keeper and take my own advice.:)
 
Jambi said:
It's good that you don't fear your government, but why do they fear you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_Japanese_invasion_of_Australia_during_World_War_II

VS

Admiral Yamamoto famously said "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a man with a rifle behind every blade of grass."
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I'm not sure what your link was supposed to be illustrating. From the mid 1800s Australians have feared invasion from the north - code name "yellow peril". After WW I when we sent such a high proportion of our young adult males to defend the British Empire and lost so many of them there was a push to encourage all young men to learn to handle a rifle and we have always had some form of voluntary Citizen Military (CMF). For this reason we had plenty of volunteers ready for WW II. My dad and his brothers were some of them. Our troops have been part of every military operation going since the Boer War with the exception of the Falklands. But that is war, not normal life in peacetime.

IMO guns are either a tool for culling and hunting animals or they are a necessary evil for some dangerous professions. I don't believe society is made safer by having a gun in every home, and I don't understand the thinking that says "it's my right to carry a gun so I'm going to exercise that right. My mum would have said "you have the right to put your head in the oven, but why would you want to do that?" I'm with Mum.
 

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