The drum beat to war

No we have to err on the side of caution to try to keep it from happening here...again. Where we live down the street is a soccer field. For days after 9/11 you could see the smoke in the distance from Ground Zero. That's pretty close to home. But I also have a son who would be in trouble if they reinstated the draft...Canada ho!
 
Butterfly said:
So do we just sit back and let them continue to do what they are doing until they are doing it in Downtown, USA?
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As I asked in the other thread... HOW is wiping them out in Syria and Iraq going to prevent them from continuing terror attacks in Downtown USA?
 

[h=1]Obama: It would be a 'mistake' to use ground troops against ISIS[/h]Source: the hill.com



By Jordan Fabian - 11/16/15 10:28 AM EST

President Obama on Monday ruled out sending more ground troops to fight the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) in response to the terrorist attacks in Paris.

During a press conference at the Group of 20 summit meeting in Turkey, Obama pushed back against calls for the U.S. to broadly rethink its strategy against the extremist group.

“It is not just my view, but the view of my closest military and civilian advisers, that that would be a mistake,” Obama said of sending additional U.S. troops to take on ISIS.

“A strategy has to be one that can be sustained,” Obama added.

“Given the fact there are sacrifices involved in any military action, it is best that we don’t shoot first and aim later,” the president added. “It’s important for us to get the strategy right, and the strategy that we are pursuing is the right one.”

Obama showed frustration with multiple questions about whether he underestimated the threat posed by ISIS against Western nations.

The president sniped at reporters who asked him why the U.S. isn’t doing more to fight the group in the Middle East. “I just spent the last three questions answering that question,” he told one.

He has come under fire for saying the group has been geographically “contained,” a remark which was broadcast just hours before the series of coordinated attacks in the French capital killed at least 120 people and injured many more. Republicans have resurfaced Obama’s comment from last year calling ISIS “a JV team.”

But Obama said his critics have not presented a viable alternative to the strategy the U.S. has pursued against ISIS.

“My only interest is to end suffering and to keep the American people safe. If there is a good idea out there, then we’re going to do it,” he said.

He took a veiled swipe at Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson, who last week suggested he has better intelligence than administration about the conflict in Syria.

“Folks want to pop off and have opinions on what they think they would do, present a specific plan,” Obama said. “If they think that somehow their advisers are better than the chairman of my Joint Chiefs of Staff or the folks on the ground, I want to meet them and we can have that debate.”...........................

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/2...e-a-mistake-to-use-ground-troops-against-isis
 
If I understood Obama's thinking. He wants to put US troop into the middle east area and their job would be to help organize and train willing folks to go after the Isis folks themselves. He would supply foods and war materials to help those local fighters to win their battles. Right off that sounds like a good idea. Sure better than just offering them harbors of safety in the US. Let them earn their safety the hard way.

Problem with trying to eliminate the Isis killers is that likely in that particular part of the world where fighting for your life is part of the way they have lived for hundreds or thousands of years. Ending one radical group is just making room for a new radical group to rise and cause death and hate.
 
It's not going to be solved until people realize that their safety and lives are worth more than their privacy... We need MORE special ops and better surveillance to be able to stop these thugs. It's a sad fact of the times.. It's not a traditional war with one battlefield... it's global.. and it's everywhere.
 
Though I am usually a strong defender of the right to privacy and freedom from government intrusion in our daily lives, I most definitely agree with you on this. AND, we need to act on the information we receive and not just let it get backlogged on someone's desk. I saw comments on several websites where people in various countries said "yeah, we saw the threats, but we get so much of this all day every day." We need to take this stuff seriously, and act on it. I am also strongly in favor of finding ways to break the encryption being used in some of the messaging back and forth. We need to get off our butts and take this stuff seriously if we are to have any success at all in stopping it.
 
Butterfly said:
TI am also strongly in favor of finding ways to break the encryption being used in some of the messaging back and forth. We need to get off our butts and take this stuff seriously if we are to have any success at all in stopping it.
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I just read where Anonymous vowed to join the fight against ISIS - cool!
 
Underock1 said:
Amazing. The holocaust never happened. We never went to the moon. Roosevelt planned Pearl Harbor, and the Twin Towers were deliberately blown up by the government! :excited:
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I am certainly not a holocaust denier, nor do I think Roosevelt planned Pearl Harbor. But I do believe things are done with violence under false pretenses to start wars. It's as old as history.

Like the explosion of the "Maine" that started the American spanish war. And other countless examples through history.

But here is my favorite "denier" line, and from a wacky weird country song.

"We never walked on the moon, Elvis ain't dead, you aint goin' crazy...it's all in your head!" LOL Classic
 
Linda said:
I just copied this off from FB and sent it to a few "thinking" people I know. None of these comments are mine. What do you guys on the S.F. think??
Anyone else find the Paris attack suspicious? Where are all the videos of people inside the concert hall? And how is that woman holding on to the ledge with one hand? Inside job I say!


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Beverly It just gives the world permission for more War!

Beverly And how convenient a Journalist just happened to be there to capture the footage?

Ronda My son has been saying he thought is was suspicious also. Maybe a setup

Sam I hope & pray that's not the case. If it is a setup, that's just sick & pathetic on many levels.
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In other words, an attack, a specific incident, aimed at creating public support for more.....whatever? Forget not, that on the Tuesday when the Murrah FBI building in Oklahoma City was bombed, not a SINGLE ONE of either FBI agents, or BATFE, were in the building. Historically, there were always many present. Coincidence?
Who knows. Many "conspiracy theorists" concluded the bombing was aimed at driving public opinion away from Bill Clinton's personal difficulties, which had risen to great focus just then.

I can recall many purported "events". As "Sam" said above, "Sick". In the late 1970's, a certain despot, King of somewhere, was scheduled to be contained within an entourage aboard a train in France. CIA admitted to bombing and derailing that train, to kill this "evil tyrant bent upon destruction". Many innocents were killed, except the bastard intended. He was not aboard the train. Sh!t like this has happened time and again, that the public knows of, and God knows how many times that we do not. My old-age awareness of this sort of thing makes me satisfied that I made no mistake during my lifetime, by not supporting ANY political party, and, a feeling of relief that I avoided placing any more youth into the abyss. imp
 
One thing that always strikes me when reading of conspiracy theories is the number of ppl that would be involved. How on Earth can you assure no one blabs or confides in someone else? You can't. How could you convince so many people to take part? You couldn't.
 
QuickSilver said:
They made the same vow after Charlie Hebdo was attacked in Paris... http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/09/technology/anonymous-charlie-hebdo-terrorists/

AND it hasn't seemed to have done any good.. I"ve heard they have been using PlayStation IV to communicate in code. http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...ris-isis-terrorists-used-ps4-to-plan-attacks/
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How do you know that? Do you have a hook in the intelligence community?

Interesting article on the PS4 ... it's one of those things that seem so unlikely that it could just be true.
 
Talking heads are blasting Obama for his lack of a plan and his not seeming to take more action. They say foreign leaders are already hoping the next president will take a stronger stance and take more action...
 
SifuPhil said:
How do you know that? Do you have a hook in the intelligence community?

Interesting article on the PS4 ... it's one of those things that seem so unlikely that it could just be true.
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No , I only know what is in the link about Anonymous... My meaning is that apparently they have not had luck shutting down ISIS since last January's Charlie Hebdo attack.. being that ISIS planned THIS Paris attack and seems to be as strong as ever.. SO I'm not placing much credence in what Anonymous vows..
 
QuickSilver said:
No , I only know what is in the link about Anonymous... My meaning is that apparently they have not had luck shutting down ISIS since last January's Charlie Hebdo attack.. being that ISIS planned THIS Paris attack and seems to be as strong as ever.. SO I'm not placing much credence in what Anonymous vows..
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Ah, I see.

Well, intelligence work rarely results in one huge discovery - it's like police work: it comes in in little bits and pieces. Maybe Anonymous has already contributed a few bits and pieces of intelligence to the battle, but none that would automatically stop a full-scale terrorist attack.

I don't think Anon. seriously expects to shut-down ISIS on their own - I would think their role is more info snooping and submitting what they find to NSA, et. al.
 
SifuPhil said:
Ah, I see.

Well, intelligence work rarely results in one huge discovery - it's like police work: it comes in in little bits and pieces. Maybe Anonymous has already contributed a few bits and pieces of intelligence to the battle, but none that would automatically stop a full-scale terrorist attack.

I don't think Anon. seriously expects to shut-down ISIS on their own - I would think their role is more info snooping and submitting what they find to NSA, et. al.
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Perhaps... but I was under the impression they planned to disrupt their modes of communication and to hack into their accounts.. or whatever else they do on the net. They are making huge amounts of money in their nefarious endeavors.. Oil and the like... They have to be putting it somewhere.. they don't have it buried in caves I wouldn't think.
 
Ralphy1 said:
No, they keep spending on trucks, armaments, recruiting, blowing up things, etc....
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The point being... their money has to go through some sort of channels... and since the whole world is online, I believe they bank somewhere. and in some way. You don't believe they have bags of cash laying around.. and no banking channels.. How do they transfer money? How do the families of Hostages pay ransoms.. how do they sell oil?
 
Good point - hit them where they live economically and you really hurt them.

If hackers can release thousands of credit card numbers, why not channel that ability to raiding ISIS's bank accounts?
 
And you don't think that we would do that if we could? My banking is so secure that I have trouble online accessing my own accounts...
 

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