The evidence is building that Carson is a prolific liar

No Imp. A birth certificate indicates the place of birth and the parents of the child. The details wouldn't change no matter which country issued the certificate.
 

Dudewho said:
So we should only vet Carson not Clinton? That seems reasonable, if we are in Cuba.

More Cool-aid please.
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Well you folks have been "vetting" Clinton since Jesus left Omaha, now it's Carson's turn. Seems reasonable here in the good ole USA to me ...PS You've had plenty of cool aid so no more for you for now.
 

AZ Jim said:
Well you folks have been "vetting" Clinton since Jesus left Omaha, now it's Carson's turn. Seems reasonable here in the good ole USA to me ...PS You've had plenty of cool aid so no more for you for now.
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and now that she believes she's qualified to be president I'm sure we could all rely on the media to double down on her efforts to do so...LOL
 
Please explain to this foreigner what Hilary Clinton said about the Benghazi incident that another Secretary of State would not have said in the same circumstance. I realise that in terms of foreign policy etc it is not always possible to be as open and frank as we would otherwise choose to be. The art of diplomacy is about not always telling things as they really are because there is an objective that for the time being is more important. That is why we find out the whole truth later from the historians.

Because I am quite ignorant of this event, I really would like some responses from both perspectives.
 
Warrigal said:
No Imp. A birth certificate indicates the place of birth and the parents of the child. The details wouldn't change no matter which country issued the certificate.
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Warri, the problem is that before the Presidential election, lawsuits were filed and petitions circulated alleging Obama was not legally viable for the Presidency, based on place of birth. The courts were shown certified copies of a birth certificate, purportedly that of Obama, bearing the name Barry Soetoro, his father's name being Soetoro, issued by a hospital in Nairobi, Kenya. One other fact pertinent for consideration is that a Barry Soetoro was registered as a voter in Washington, DC.

"Barack Obama was registered in Chicago, Illinois and did vote there in 2008" and 2012." "If you recall, we provided the image of the District of Columbia Board of Elections search of Barry Soetoro, which you can see below dated July 20, 2013. Notice he was registered 22 days before the 2012 elections. "
"However, after the information about Barry Soetoro being registered to vote in Washington, DC, the DC Board of Elections has scrubbed the voter registration for Barry Soetoro with no explanation. " Quotes from: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/b...stration-site-following-exposure-by-bloggers/

Sometime during his first term in office, amidst the flurry of controversy, the Administration made public a copy of a birth certificate allegedly provided by a hospital in Hawaii, in an attempt to end the controversy.

As far as I am concerned, I personally could not care less about where the man was born. imp
 
imp said:
Warri, the problem is that before the Presidential election, lawsuits were filed and petitions circulated alleging Obama was not legally viable for the Presidency, based on place of birth. The courts were shown certified copies of a birth certificate, purportedly that of Obama, bearing the name Barry Soetoro, his father's name being Soetoro, issued by a hospital in Nairobi, Kenya. One other fact pertinent for consideration is that a Barry Soetoro was registered as a voter in Washington, DC.

"Barack Obama was registered in Chicago, Illinois and did vote there in 2008" and 2012." "If you recall, we provided the image of the District of Columbia Board of Elections search of Barry Soetoro, which you can see below dated July 20, 2013. Notice he was registered 22 days before the 2012 elections. "
"However, after the information about Barry Soetoro being registered to vote in Washington, DC, the DC Board of Elections has scrubbed the voter registration for Barry Soetoro with no explanation. " Quotes from: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/b...stration-site-following-exposure-by-bloggers/

Sometime during his first term in office, amidst the flurry of controversy, the Administration made public a copy of a birth certificate allegedly provided by a hospital in Hawaii, in an attempt to end the controversy.

As far as I am concerned, I personally could not care less about where the man was born. imp
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Wow Imp... YOU are a Birther? I've just lost any credence I may have placed on your future opinions. Sorry.
 
imp said:
Warri, the problem is that before the Presidential election, lawsuits were filed and petitions circulated alleging Obama was not legally viable for the Presidency, based on place of birth. The courts were shown certified copies of a birth certificate, purportedly that of Obama, bearing the name Barry Soetoro, his father's name being Soetoro, issued by a hospital in Nairobi, Kenya. One other fact pertinent for consideration is that a Barry Soetoro was registered as a voter in Washington, DC.

"Barack Obama was registered in Chicago, Illinois and did vote there in 2008" and 2012." "If you recall, we provided the image of the District of Columbia Board of Elections search of Barry Soetoro, which you can see below dated July 20, 2013. Notice he was registered 22 days before the 2012 elections. "
"However, after the information about Barry Soetoro being registered to vote in Washington, DC, the DC Board of Elections has scrubbed the voter registration for Barry Soetoro with no explanation. " Quotes from: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/b...stration-site-following-exposure-by-bloggers/

Sometime during his first term in office, amidst the flurry of controversy, the Administration made public a copy of a birth certificate allegedly provided by a hospital in Hawaii, in an attempt to end the controversy.

As far as I am concerned, I personally could not care less about where the man was born. imp
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Yes, Imp I think every switched Australian is aware of this issue but I thought that the American president had to be actually born in America. I've since learned that this is not the correct interpretation of the constitution. I also thought that the constitution required the president to be male - another misconception on my part.

We've had a similar controversy over here that has never been resolved. Our constitution requires that federal politicians seeking election must not owe allegiance to another country which rules out people holding dual citizenship. Our lately deposed PM was at one time a dual UK/Australian citizen and there has never been any proof that he renounced his UK citizenship before his election to parliament, or since then for that matter. Freedom of Information requests in the UK and in Australia have all drawn a blank. It remains an open possibility that his whole time in parliament has been illegitimate.
 
QuickSilver said:
(((((((((((yawn))))))))))) But did she hit her mother in the head with a hammer?? hahahahahahaha
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Oh that is cruel, QS. An eighty line post, and you kill it with one line. It reminds me of the martial arts expert attacking with flailing arms and spinning body only to be shot dead with a single bullet.
 
Warrigal said:
No Imp. A birth certificate indicates the place of birth and the parents of the child. The details wouldn't change no matter which country issued the certificate.
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Well, not always..... My daughter has a United States Department of State birth certificate. It has her name, date of birth and place of birth but nowhere does it mention who her parents are. Typical government document. I used to have to attach the Consular Report of Birth Abroad to the birth certificate (which luckily gets around on page 2 to mentioning who was in labor with her for umpty-teen AGONIZING hours and the sperm producer who was responsible for that event) whenever I needed to prove she was ours. Of course, I always told her that she had hatched and we found her under a bush and that's why our names weren't on the birth certificate. It's a family tradition -- traumatizing children. My parents told me that the gypsies had paid them to take me off their hands.
 
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QuickSilver said:
Wow Imp... YOU are a Birther? I've just lost any credence I may have placed on your future opinions. Sorry.
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No, I'm not. Look closely at the quotes, they are there only for purposes of illustrating WTH all the fuss has been about. If I cared about birth, would I have written the last line? No opinion of mine was expressed in my post. You WANT to lose belief in me, because of differences of opinion. So you will. Your call. imp
 
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That's odd jujube. Where was she born?
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Ankara, Turkey. And it took four months to get THAT. Up until then, we just had a temporary piece of paper that said "Infant Girl _______". For a while, we thought we were going to have to change her name to Infant Girl....we were going to call her Iggy - lol. I had plane tickets to go home for a month's visit, but no passport for her because no birth certificate, no passport. The certificate came in a few days before she and I were scheduled to leave, so it involved a frantic ferry ride over to Istanbul (we lived across the Marmara from the Bul at a Common Defense Installation) to throw ourselves on the mercy of the Consul with woeful tales of dying grandparents who were only staying alive long enough to see their first grandchild to PUH-LEEZE issue a passport for her PRONTO! I was holding her head up for the picture; she was asleep and had her mouth open and you could see my fingertips around her head.......it looked like a picture of an infant alien slug baby. Nowdays, they probably wouldn't have let her into the country -- quarantine rules and all that.
 
imp said:
Unless mental "slant" deprives one of the ability to judge independently, how can one know what info presented by ANY site is "gospel"? imp
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I guess it takes having a certain amount of mental abilities to make such a distinction, II understand not all are capable of being able to do this, which is why you see people post hoax all over the net and people lap it up.we
 
As a teacher of adolescents and as a mother I have always been concerned about young people being sucked in by falsehoods, particularly those that could lead them to make bad decisions. I've always encouraged them to check the facts from another independent source before accepting everything put before them.

It is a learning process and with the arrival of social media and emails even mature people are easily deceived by fake stories presented as real events. Everyone gets fooled occasionally but we should learn to use a few tests to sort the truth from the rest. Often the story begins with some historical fact which puts us off guard but then goes on to embellish the story with convenient fiction that supports a particular political or religious position. Also, the story may be attributed to real people - Mark Twain, Thomas Jefferson, Ghandi and Oscar Wilde are often erroneously quoted. Too often this convinces us that it must be true when it is actually outrageously untrue.

I have set myself the task of debunking the kind of stories that I consider to be deceptive propaganda and it is very easy to do. Anyone can learn to google to distinguish between fact and falsehood. I warn you though, people don't like their favourite stories exposed as deliberate lies. It makes you rather unpopular.
 
While it's probably too late to worry about the Obama birth certificate, one should wonder why his people posted an obviously false certificate the first time around, and not the one they showed later after months of stalling, and more importantly, one should wonder why the press never really pushed the issue during the election process.
 

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Oh yeah, as far as the debate went, I have to say, I have yet to see anything even resembling a viable candidate.:(:( I am truly depressed while watching this election cycle play out. Maybe later, I'll give my opinion of all the wanna be presidents. Not that my opinion really matters, it'll just make me feel better to get it off my chest.:)
 

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