The Framework for the Deal with Iran

I'm aware of the "Hate everything Obama" mantra... but this framework is NOT solely the work of the USA.. Other major countries are involved, U.S., UK, France, Russia and China, plus Germany AND the sanctions are UN sanctions imposed against Iran 7 years ago... so how can the US congress unilaterally impose MORE sanctions? Maybe I'm not understanding it..
 
I guess all you SWEETIES in this forum really need to take a rest far more than I do. Opinions from each of us are allowed on this forum, like it or not. Don't like what I post then post your opinion without these personal attacks some of you really prefer to post. They are hateful and not really wanted either by members or staff. Occasional reminders from staff point that out.

Some Republicans and some Democrats really DO WANT Iran to fear an attack if they do not come to agreement about that nuclear weapons stuff. They are a problem and have been since 1979 when the current bunch ran off their government and started their own. Over the years of working to get Iran to become a civilized country, it seems that fear is all that has worked. It is good to see that they finally did come to some semblance of caring about others and offering to agree to certain issues. Time will tell if they really mean what they have just said and will the projected terms really hold by the end of June.

No reason for all this hate Jews talk either. These Iranians have actually attacked the Jewish folks without any real reason. Hamas is still attackiing the Jewish folks from their location in Palestine area. That sort of hate also needs to be ended in addition to the ending of building nuclear weapons.
 

Have you had warnings from staff about "personal attacks" Bob? I haven't. Of course what you construe as an attack might be the reason. On some boards Bob, you would be hamburger, here everyone is much nicer. You just don't like being the receiver of bad news.
 
WHERE is the "hate Jews" talk? I don't see any..

and I also have not received any warnings... I don't personally attack anyone.. Just positions and opinions I disagree with.
 
Why have some of you folks changed my neutral posts into personal attacks as you claim. I did not name names but some of you do use names in your responses. That means it is a personal judgement or attack or whatever. Some seem to think they can do anything without concern or correction. I was asked was I ever corrected. Not sure but I have seen corrections to someone, if not me, and it was about doing personal attacks. If whomever you are and think personal attacks mean nothing, then there is little help for you. Just hope our next election come soon so we can be rid of Obama and have a new Democrat or Republican President for a while. Some one who is willing and able to work with our Congress of those days with no problems. We really do not need any more of this socialist type of leadership where debt means nothing and is never considered. So far we have gone from the 7.5 trillion of Bush's time to 18 trillion and still climbing today. Not good news as that is nearly as much debt as we had after WWII and we have not had any big wars in these last few years. Why the monster debt and never listening to the Congress while creating this monster debt.
 
OK, yes facts can be confusing to some folks. As i have said in previous posts, I have not been using names, so why respond to my posts as if I was naming someone directly. A bit hard to understand so maybe saying facts did confuse someone a bit. No reason for confusion at all. Imaginary direction of my posts is your problem, a fact, as I did not name any names in my posts, a fact.
 
BobF said:
OK, yes facts can be confusing to some folks. As i have said in previous posts, I have not been using names, so why respond to my posts as if I was naming someone directly. A bit hard to understand so maybe saying facts did confuse someone a bit. No reason for confusion at all. Imaginary direction of my posts is your problem, a fact, as I did not name any names in my posts, a fact.
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I didn't say it was directed at me.... What I was saying is that what YOU call "facts" is truely hilarious..
 
Now that is a confession about your thinking being distorted. You will forever determine that anything you post is absolute fact and anything others post is pure nonsense. No further need for me to defend my posts as you will always consider them wrong. Your strange way of thinking. Nothing else can be attributed to your arrogance to others posts and thoughts. Now that was a direct acknowledgement of where that post is intended to point. Have a good night.
 
BobF said:
Now that is a confession about your thinking being distorted. You will forever determine that anything you post is absolute fact and anything others post is pure nonsense. No further need for me to defend my posts as you will always consider them wrong. Your strange way of thinking. Nothing else can be attributed to your arrogance to others posts and thoughts. Now that was a direct acknowledgement of where that post is intended to point. Have a good night.
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Bob you called me a "Jewhater" and a "sweetie". I don't like your personal attacks one bit.
 
Now Jim, when did I ever call you those names? They were in a more general nature and only reflected the trash another poster has been putting on this forum.

I doubt that I would ever call you sweetie? But I did refer the jew hater to someone that is posting hateful comments about the Jewish folks and their nation.
 
BobF said:
Now Jim, when did I ever call you those names? They were in a more general nature and only reflected the trash another poster has been putting on this forum.

I doubt that I would ever call you sweetie? But I did refer the jew hater to someone that is posting hateful comments about the Jewish folks and their nation.
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May I ask who is posting hateful comments about Jewish folks and their nation... I really think you are hallucinating. Have you skipped your meds?
 
Well, good for Bill O'Rielly. I did not hear that comment. No qualifications from Bill? But of course we have till the end of June for the real deal that has been discussed. Then, even if the deal and any changes have been approved we need some years to pass to see if Iran will really give up its nuclear studies and manufacturing capabilities. I think it is good that somehow Iran and a lot of other countries have finally been able to start talking together again. This conversation shut down was started in 1975 when Iran took over the US embassy and held the staff for a long time. Not sure how it all came about but Carter did try to get the folks back peacefully after he failed in his military effort to find and free them. So now, approximately 40 years later, we are attempting to speak together again. Time will tell if this will last for long.
 
BobF said:
Just hope our next election come soon so we can be rid of Obama and have a new Democrat or Republican President for a while. And, if one Party swears that if the next Administration is successful, they have failed... If the next POTUS has to deal with an obstructionist Congress that does everything in their power not to compromise... what will be gained? Some one who is willing and able to work with our Congress of those days with no problems. We really do not need any more of this socialist type of leadership where debt means nothing and is never considered. So far we have gone from the 7.5 trillion of Bush's time to 18 trillion and still climbing today. Not good news as that is nearly as much debt as we had after WWII and we have not had any big wars in these last few years. No big wars in the last few years??? How many billions of dollars have the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost the American taxpayer? How many lives of our sons and daughters and mothers and fathers have been lost in these wars? And, when did these wars start? WMD's???? Who sold us that bag of bs?? Why the monster debt and never listening to the Congress while creating this monster debt. If he'd "listened to Congress", millions would still be without health insurance. If he's "listened to Congress", we would be at war with Iran. If he'd "listened to Congress", we'd be spending billions more tax dollars building a fence on the Texas/Mexican border that would no nothing to slow immigration.
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This President hasn't been able to have a bowel movement without right wing extremisits touting it should have been black instead of brown. Everything... EVERYTHING this POTUS has tried to do to better the economy has been blocked by the Republicans in Congress. Even with that, we have had a slow... but consistent... recovery from one of the worst recessions ever handed a new POTUS.

Weaker men would have given up trying to negotiate with Iran to keep them from ever having a nuclear weapon when 47 traitorous Senators sent a letter that compromised his authority to negotiate. Weaker men would have given up seeking a plan to assist millions of Americans gain access to health insurance when the opposing Party did everything they could to block it. Weaker men would have thrown up their hands in disgust when our elected officials were far more concerned with proving a POTUS was born in Kenya than concerned about the needs of the less fortunate of our society.

I still feel it sad that when we have Americans overseas in harm's way, putting their lives on the line to preserve the liberties and freedoms we are blessed to enjoy, there are those who continue to spend their time with hate-rhetoric against our President. That does nothing to pull us together as Americans. But, then, it is more important to repeat the talking points of Faux Noise and Hannity and Beck and Limbaugh than to make any attempt to stand up and show pride in this great Country. I may not agree with a President of the United States. If that's the case, I'll take my dissatisfaction to the voting booth. I sure won't shout my disdain from the rooftops.
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
This President hasn't been able to have a bowel movement without right wing extremisits touting it should have been black instead of brown. Everything... EVERYTHING this POTUS has tried to do to better the economy has been blocked by the Republicans in Congress. Even with that, we have had a slow... but consistent... recovery from one of the worst recessions ever handed a new POTUS.

Weaker men would have given up trying to negotiate with Iran to keep them from ever having a nuclear weapon when 47 traitorous Senators sent a letter that compromised his authority to negotiate. Weaker men would have given up seeking a plan to assist millions of Americans gain access to health insurance when the opposing Party did everything they could to block it. Weaker men would have thrown up their hands in disgust when our elected officials were far more concerned with proving a POTUS was born in Kenya than concerned about the needs of the less fortunate of our society.

I still feel it sad that when we have Americans overseas in harm's way, putting their lives on the line to preserve the liberties and freedoms we are blessed to enjoy, there are those who continue to spend their time with hate-rhetoric against our President. That does nothing to pull us together as Americans. But, then, it is more important to repeat the talking points of Faux Noise and Hannity and Beck and Limbaugh than to make any attempt to stand up and show pride in this great Country. I may not agree with a President of the United States. If that's the case, I'll take my dissatisfaction to the voting booth. I sure won't shout my disdain from the rooftops.
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This post is definitly one persons view of how thing might have been with someone listening to the Congress. I don't agree at all and where have the billions wasted in the last few years gone. Certainly not to the health program as that is costing me at least as much as prior to Obama care and I don't see where I am getting any more for less as it is set up. If you look at the spending charts you will see some expense for Bush and his wars but only after the far far left took over has the debt grown so far out of site and still rising at great rates. My opinion would be that we acted as we did after WWII and kept our armies, the UN armies, in place to help hold down the wild ones for a few years so knew folks could learn about being kind and considerate and willing to be peaceful. Not the wild and inconsiderate bunch we have now. That procedure worked in Europe and Japan, no reason it could not have been tried in the Arab states.

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Look at the last two years of Bush's time and see how the debt started to rise for the clouds. That was the last two years of Bush when Reid and Pelosi took over the Congress and just ignored good spending and common sense thinking. For Bush, he was still in the 7+ trillion range with 2 wars happening. When the far far left Democrats took over the debt just went out of control, even before Obama took over and continued the debt problem for the US. Now for many many years this debt will be hanging over those citizens of the future till it is brought down so the people can have lower taxes and more freedoms to spend for their very own personal wishes.
 

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