The Framework for the Deal with Iran

Of course saving the Automotive Industry and Bailing out the Banks so the entire economy didn't go up in flames had NOTHING to do with it..?? Did it Bob?? and whos fault were those..??? AND how about two Wars.. Unfunded... and an enourmous tax cut for the wealthy as well as a prescription drug plan all put on the National Credit card..that had to be paid?? Who did that? Any spending by Obama was solely to SAVE our country from the completely inept presidency and administration that preceded him..

You really need to get off the OBAMA ran up the debt silliness... because it was BUSH that made it necessary.
 

This President hasn't been able to have a bowel movement without right wing extremisits touting it should have been black instead of brown. Everything... EVERYTHING this POTUS has tried to do to better the economy has been blocked by the Republicans in Congress. Even with that, we have had a slow... but consistent... recovery from one of the worst recessions ever handed a new POTUS.

Weaker men would have given up trying to negotiate with Iran to keep them from ever having a nuclear weapon when 47 traitorous Senators sent a letter that compromised his authority to negotiate. Weaker men would have given up seeking a plan to assist millions of Americans gain access to health insurance when the opposing Party did everything they could to block it. Weaker men would have thrown up their hands in disgust when our elected officials were far more concerned with proving a POTUS was born in Kenya than concerned about the needs of the less fortunate of our society.

I still feel it sad that when we have Americans overseas in harm's way, putting their lives on the line to preserve the liberties and freedoms we are blessed to enjoy, there are those who continue to spend their time with hate-rhetoric against our President. That does nothing to pull us together as Americans. But, then, it is more important to repeat the talking points of Faux Noise and Hannity and Beck and Limbaugh than to make any attempt to stand up and show pride in this great Country. I may not agree with a President of the United States. If that's the case, I'll take my dissatisfaction to the voting booth. I sure won't shout my disdain from the rooftops.

Everything being complained about here is all because of the USA's freedom of speech idea. It is good for all to speak their ideas publicly and not worry about being jailed or fined. That is why some on this forum speak loudly of their favorite leader and others can speak just as loudly about changes needed. Think good for your self as you speak out and also allow others to have the same freedom speaking as they feel.

Have a good day.
 
Of course saving the Automotive Industry and Bailing out the Banks so the entire economy didn't go up in flames had NOTHING to do with it..?? Did it Bob?? and whos fault were those..??? AND how about two Wars.. Unfunded... and an enourmous tax cut for the wealthy as well as a prescription drug plan all put on the National Credit card..that had to be paid?? Who did that? Any spending by Obama was solely to SAVE our country from the completely inept presidency and administration that preceded him..

You really need to get off the OBAMA ran up the debt silliness... because it was BUSH that made it necessary.

There you go, using my name to place blame for bad posting. Never did Bush create all the debt that started when the far far left Democrats took over our government in Bush's last two years and kept going till today even. Some unreal brass you have for blaming the Republicans for what the far far left Democrats have done to the US and our budgets. No more saying you never point to posters you are trying to shame, you do it all the time. But the real shame is on you for your cowardly ways of posting. No truth in what you post as in this post you have demonstrated. Why not allow those that do not agree with what is going on say what is on their mind without small minded attacks. Why not say what you think is correct without doing such using others as your targets. Speak honestly and openly and all is well.

I use far far left when speaking of your type of posting as defining you to be far left of most of the Democrats of the world. We have a well known Democrat that has publicly said he wants to see more about Iran meetings and discussions prior to any judgments. I named him yesterday I think. Something more of us need to do, and I think even Obama has indicated that there is much to do yet to ensure that Iran will do as they say. You could slow down a bit an allow others to speak their feelings with out being hammered for not being far far left folks.
 
Hey Bob, this thread is about the proposed treaty with Iran. If you want to talk about the debt why don't you start a new thread?

I would agree but first you need to slow down a rather nasty person that is changing the topic all the time and telling lies. My chart on debt was in response to one of those lies.
 
Most are pleasantly surprised at the strength of the framework deal agreed to with Iran. It appears to be a much stronger deal than was expected.

This article shows that some in Israel are pleased also. http://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenk...-deal-israeli-newspapers-conclude#.hyBN4B7QEO

Despite staunch opposition by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his cabinet, wider public opinion in Israel seems ready to give the Iran deal a chance

But in Israel, the only major newspaper to carry a front-page story against the agreement was the Sheldon Adelson-owned Israel Hayom, a paper strongly aligned with Netanyahu. Israel Hayom’s headline for that story — “Agreement With Iran—Historic Mistake” — stood in stark contrast to the tone of others on the newsstand.

“The time has come to stop fantasizing and to connect with reality: Israel does not have a military option to destroy the Iranian nuclear program,” wrote Nahum Barnea, one of Israel’s most popular columnists in the widely read Hebrew-language Yediot Ahronot.

“Under these circumstances, the details of the agreement that were reported yesterday are surprisingly good.”

In the English-language Jerusalem Post, columnist Yossi Melman took a similar position, arguing, “The deal currently being consolidated in Switzerland … even if not ideal, certainly does not belong in the category of ‘sword at the throat.’”

Meanwhile in Haaretz, a left-leaning publication, diplomatic correspondent Barak Ravid wrote that “Israel will have a hard time fighting this agreement, or portraying it as bad; if Iran upholds the terms, its nuclear threat will be severely mitigated.”

For many Israelis, who had gone to sleep with only vague stories of an agreement, Friday was the first chance to review the details of what could become a lasting deal over Iran’s nuclear program.

“I was kind of tired when I read about the deal last night, but when I woke up this morning and went over the details, I don’t know… it sounds like it could be an OK thing that could avoid us going to war,” said Shulamit Avner, 31, a tax attorney from the northern city of Haifa.

“None of us want more war. We are exhausted from war and the idea of a war with Iran is this scary huge thing that’s been looming over us for years.”

Avner, who shopped with several friends for last-minute ingredients for her Passover Seder Friday, said she was happy the deal was coming just as Israel entered the holiday.

“I remember a couple years ago, also during Passover, I was so scared that we were about to go to Iran that I rushed out to get a gas mask before the holiday started. I was afraid the war would start while everyone was closed for the holiday — can you believe that?” said Avner. “But we’ve been living like that for a long time, people telling us Israeli airstrikes might hit Iran, and then Iran would retaliate, and a long gruesome war would start.”
Sarah Mizrachi, who works with Avner, said that while “no one wants to see Iran get a nuclear bomb, it’s better to solve things with talking than with bombs.”

“I’m worried when Netanyahu says that this deal is bad and that Iran can sneak around and get a bomb, of course I’m worried. But I trust the Mossad and our intelligence to catch the Iranians before they do anything. And I really hope they stick to this deal and just forget the idea of getting a nuclear bomb,” said Mizrachi. “Really no one should have those things anymore, even us

 
I would agree but first you need to slow down a rather nasty person that is changing the topic all the time and telling lies. My chart on debt was in response to one of those lies.


I LOVE when someone proves my point, and without even realizing it.. lol!
 
Just finished reading an interesting NYT story about the negotiation process that just took place in Switzerland,

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/04/w...lt-on-coffee-all-nighters-and-compromise.html

President Obama's hands-on approach re: the inspection process; his academic's interest in the bewildering moving parts of the political process in Iran, to cite just two examples, reveal the depth and breadth of his intellectual reach. Unfortunately for those of us who live in the 21st Century, these virtues have no resonance with this Congress. Mr. Obama's questing intellect stands in the boldest relief to that of his predecessor. President Obama is too smart by half for his political enemies. The GOP-Tea Party-driven 114th Congress has made itself impotent by its own ignorance. They consider Iran through the lens of Israel alone, whose regional interests there do not precisely track with ours. President Obama knows that he can't get everything he wants out of this deal. Nor should he. Congress, egged on by Mr. Netanyahu to take an all-or-nothing line, stands to brand itself as a potential as rogue's gallery of war criminals if they scuttle this hard-earned handshake agreement simply to please the prime minister of another country and to spite a sitting president in the bargain.
 
The Tea Party, very conservative, part of our current Congress do not own or run the entire Congress. They are but a unified part of the current Congress.

Obama has definitely led us into discussions with Iran and hopefully his discussions will lead Iran into becoming a part of the world community. Time will tell. We need at least till the end of June to see if even the basics will be followed by Iran. If so, then we look forward.
 
Don't pop the champagne yet. Article

Don't pop the champagne yet says article.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-if-this-iran-nuke-deal-really-gets-done.html

The article even touts some of the 'surprising' progress. It's reiterated that this is a 'frame work' deal but not the deal.

But there are several sticking points or concerns with the frame work deal or a full deal.

1)Can Iran be trusted which is the biggest concern. Negotiators made a deal, not Tehran.

2) What will be the effects of all the smaller conflicts or proxy wars in the region on Iran especially in ones which they are involved.

3) Inspection implementation.

4) There is a facility embedded in a mountain basically making it bomb proof. It's unlikely Iran would agree to shut down that facility(Fordow).

5) No clause to prevent research to be used in other military weapons programs.

I still remember the Iran hostage crisis in the late 70s. I think Iran recently tried to make a hostage taker their ambassador to the UN. Even in World War II countries/embassies were given notice & time to evacuate. It was/is that blatant disregard for international protocol that takes away credibility from any current Iranian leader that will be in charge of enforcing and adhering to a treaty.
 


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