The huge cost for security for the Pope's visit!

Ralphy1

Ralphy1

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All levels of government have had to spend vast sums of money to insure his safety. Perhaps the Vatican should pay. What do you say?
 

Well if he visited the UK Ralphy1, I would agree with that, and I agree for you there as well.
After all, the church has enough money to buy and sell many a country.
Including the USA!.

Still, look on the bright side.
He may throw some Holy Water over you.
Perhaps that would be worth a lot of money if you catch it in a bottle?:D
 
I don't think he asked for it...look at the car he is in compared with his 'security'
 

Warrigal said:
Please quantify vast sums.
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How does 48 MILLION DOLLARS sound to you then Warrigal? :D

How Much Is Pope Francis's Visit Costing The U.S.?
The government has designated the visit a special national security event.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pope-francis-us-visit-cost_56006cfbe4b0fde8b0cf693d


Antonia Blumberg
Associate Religion Editor, The Huffington Post
The Department of Homeland Security has designated Pope Francis's visit to the United States a national special security event.
The selection places the pontiff's visit among major national functions, like the presidential inauguration and the Super Bowl, that could become targets for attack, and streamlines any potential federal response. It also allows some budgeting for the event to come from the federal government, sharing the burden with the pope's destination cities.
But the tab to taxpayers remains unclear.
Some predict the total cost for the pope's Philadelphia visit will exceed $48 million. The World Meeting of Families, a major Catholic event drawing Pope Francis to the City of Brothery Love, has announced a $45 million comprehensive fundraising budget, according to Ken Gavin, director of communications for the Archdiocese of Philadelphia.
The federal government only allocates about $4.5 million annually for national special security events.
HuffPost Live's Caroline Modarressy-Tehrani raised the question in a conversation Monday with Dan Bongino, a former Secret Service agent; Nicholas Casale, a former New York Police Department detective; and Victor Matheson, an economics professor at College of the Holy Cross.
Matheson noted that other examples of national special security events include political party conventions and the Olympics. If the U.S. wins its bid for the 2024 games, he said, security costs would likely top $1 billion.
"That's something that would be borne by the United States as a whole, saying, 'Look, there is a certain privilege and honor in having events like these. And this is something that maybe all Americans should step up to -- not just the handful of cities that are actually hosting the pontiff.'"


And in my opinion.
The Vatican should pay!
But then, if it came to that, I bet you wouldn't see hide nor hair of him!
 
Not worth a dime! You like him because he is a liberal on everything but gay marriage. But I don't care about his politics, I just don't want to pay big bucks for his security. Thank God he didn't come to our state as he would have bankrupted us...
 
In 2008 it cost $150 million to stage World Youth Day in Sydney.

THE cost of staging World Youth Day in Sydney has escalated, climbing to $150 million after originally being budgeted to cost $100 million, the Sydney Catholic church has disclosed.

In a confidential briefing to diocesan priests last week, the archdiocese revised to $150 million its budget for the July event, billed as the largest religious gathering in Australian history.
The new estimates include government cash grants but not provision of in-kind services including visa processing for pilgrims, the Pope's security, policing, sleeping accommodation at public schools and emergency health care worth more than $20 million.

Nor does it include the $41 million in compensation provided by the NSW and federal governments to the Australian Jockey Club and the racing industry to secure the use of Randwick Racecourse for the overnight vigil Mass to be attended by Pope Benedict XVI on his first visit to Australia.

In a prior note to priests, the church has made it clear it considers only a small proportion of the overall racing package to be directly related to World Youth Day activities.

Sydney's Catholic priests have been told that the bulk of the $150 million - four dollars in every five - will go towards providing accommodation, meals and care for more than 200,000 local and international pilgrims and the staging of major events including the opening and closing Mass.

Pilgrims' registration fees - which vary according to source country and accommodation needs - will meet about half of all costs. The rest is to be made up by federal grants (20 to 24 per cent), the church and donors (18 to 22 per cent) and business partners and sponsors (8 to 10 per cent).

In the briefing paper, obtained by the Herald, the church denies it is making a profit from hosting World Youth Day. Instead it is expected to contribute $15 million towards the staging costs and has ruled out any special parish taxes and levies.

"[The Archdiocese of Sydney] has budgeted to make a substantial contribution towards the costs of World Youth Day," the briefing paper states. "It is doing this because it shares the Holy Father's belief that World Youth Day will make a substantial and ongoing contribution to Australia's, and the world's, Catholic youth.

"In excess of 200,000 pilgrims are likely to require accommodation, meals and care throughout the week of WYD08. We need to establish suitable accommodation arrangements and up to 300 venues for catechesis.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...-to-150m/2008/03/04/1204402456394.html?page=2
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The total bill for the Papal visit is unclear but this article talks about the security and other costs. $4.5 mill is the usual amount allocated for security for visits by heads of state. It will certainly cost more than $4.5 mill.

Events given National Special Security status typically come with federal funds backing them up, and the federal budget allocates a relatively modest $4.5 million to them annually. It’s not clear how much the federal government will have to spend to keep Francis safe, but it will unquestionably come to more than that.

One of the few hard estimates of what it will cost to provide part of the security for the papal visit comes from Philadelphia, where the pope will say Mass and attend a Vatican-sponsored World Meeting of Families that is expected to draw visitors by the hundreds of thousands. The city government has indicated that it expects to be reimbursed $12 million or more by the event’s organizers to cover the costs of a stepped up police presence, traffic control and other efforts by the city government to make the papal visit run smoothly.

It’s unclear whether the costs to local law enforcement for managing the visits to New York and Washington will be comparable to those in Philadelphia. And even if they are, they tell only part of the story. The pontiff’s travel routes between cities will have to be secured, disrupting normal air traffic patterns, and every city where the Pope sets his foot will be transformed, for two to three

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/09/23/Humble-Pope-s-Costly-US-Visit-and-How-He-Can-Pay-It-Back
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Whatever happened to the separation of church and state in this country? Can't speak for yours...
 
There are over 70 million Catholics in the US alone, my opinion of the cost of the Pope's visit is that anytime a world leader of over a billion people comes here and promotes good will, peace, humanity to man and the importance of preserving our planet it is worth every penny.

This Pope is well love and is trying to make a difference.
 
How would it look if security was done on the cheap and a terrorist or three set off bombs at one of the big events,
or if he was assassinated on the way to a venue.

Is the government providing any other unusual services besides security?

Will security be provided for the Dalai Lana's next visit in October?
The crowds will be less so I expect the cost should also be less but apparently it will be comparable to the cost of having the President make a visit to a city.

Some perspective might help us to understand the reason for the costs.
 
Ralphy1 said:
Not worth a dime! You like him because he is a liberal on everything but gay marriage. But I don't care about his politics, I just don't want to pay big bucks for his security. Thank God he didn't come to our state as he would have bankrupted us...
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How much did Netanyahu's visit and BS cost?
 
I prefer the POPE... He's not trying to convert anyone... He is spreading peace and love for our fellow man. Which is a hellava lot better message than Bibi.
 
QuickSilver said:
Bibi is a FOREIGN leader and had no business lecturing our Congress...
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I thought the Vatican is a miniature nation state( a city block) who happens to be run by a highly religious leader. I doubt Netenyahu's visit cost much more than your standard dignitary visit. I keep on hearing "unprecedented" security with streets and highways being shut down or blocked off. When the Pope went to the NY church the perimeter was a block around the church. Commentators on TV were stunned the Pope stopped and blessed a baby or two on his parade route. In DC along with the walkers they had at least half dozen cars trailing the Pope mobile let alone what was in front or along parade routes & destinations.

It is the local residents that screwed not just with a bill but the inconvenience of having to take alternate routes to and from work, school or even a trip the supermarket or doctors. I'd bet a lot of people had to take off or had half days in those cities. Even local businesses will get screwed over to make way for dignitaries, tourists or pilgrims.

http://gothamist.com/2015/09/16/abandon_all_pope.php

http://nypost.com/2015/09/17/pope-francis-visit-is-going-to-make-traveling-in-nyc-a-living-hell/

http://www.wdsu.com/money/philadelphia-in-shutdown-mode-for-pope-francis-visit/35417090

I saw something where they're canceling i-phone deliveries in NYC-uh oh, that's it.
 
I believe his visit did thousands of times more good for our country and our people that netanYAHOO's did.. and I'm not ever Catholic... nor am I religious.. BUT.. I believe his message is one we better all listen to if we are going to survive. Sometimes you just cannot put a price tag on that.
 
It is not a matter of preference! Rather, enforcing separation! Father Ralphy knows that you mean well and will forgive you providing that you make a generous donation to the Church, just send it to me and I will make sure that it is used for a worthy cause...
 
I'm not Catholic and would never consider it but seeing all these masses of people just beaming to see him...it's just so uplifting. Seeing people that overjoyed in their faith is beautiful to witness. I would hate to see one lone nut destroy everything. He absolutely needs all the security they can give him.
 
I'm not a Catholic, or anything for that matter, but I think that he's a nice man.....and a VERY important man if you give it some thought.

He's got more power in his ring finger than many a politician, so we'd BETTER protect him regardless of the cost.

If anything bad were to happen to him while he's here, we'd have to go into hiding.
 

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