The Latest Episode in the Ongoing Israeli Hamas Conflict

those factions have been at each others throats for 4000 years, I am tired of it..stooooooopid shit over something neigher side can prove. Was christ born in december? no!! where there three magi? it doesnt say exactly, parting of the red(reed) sea no, it was a tidal bore!
 

AnnieA said:
Why? One person posted an opinion that could be construed as having a political slant ...one that actually doesn't even make sense since all but a few nations characterize Hamas as a terrorist organization. For this thread to be considered politically offensive on SF, I'd think we need actual Israeli and Hamas SF members...

The OP documents a current world conflict from a variety of sources.
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Ok. If it's not political then let's add a comment from Einstein and other Jewish scholars who equated the Likud and others with fascism for actions that were similar to what are taking place today:


Albert Einstein Letter to The New York Times. December 4, 1948: “It’d be my greatest sadness …” – The 21st Century (21cir.com)


I am in full agreement with his assessment.



My ancestry is Sefardic and these victims are listed in the records of the Inquisition which is traceable here: Sephardim.com - Sephardic surnames



And like my friends among Satmar and other Orthodox Jews, I agree that there is no biblical basis for the ideology known as Zionism:


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Among them this is a religious, not a political issue. So that makes it acceptable for the thread as it represents sources not usually represented among media and other outlets.
 
Murrmurr said:
Same dispute that's been going on for decades.

My understanding is that Palestinians recently fired a bunch of missiles at Israelis, and Israel fired back, intercepting about half of them. I don't trust all news sources I've looked at so far, so I'm still fishing around, but there does seem to be a consensus on how this one started.
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You know what? You don't need this Jew's opinion. Except--the same coin has two sides. Like a pancake. Or a flounder.
 

hollydolly said:
I was disgusted by that.. why bring this to a country that's not involved in the fight ?..it makes me sick!!...
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Britain has given financial support to Israel over the years. In fact, its tanks were the reason why Israel won the war so easily in 1967. Taxpayers there object to its money being used to promote that government which is viewed as repressive by so many Brits.
 
hollydolly said:
I was disgusted by that.. why bring this to a country that's not involved in the fight ?..it makes me sick!!...
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Some time ago, Britain governed the Middle-East after taking over the Ottoman Empire. Then later the Brits and France split up the whole place into provinces or states or whatever. Those are countries now.

Currently, the British embassy to Israel is located in Tel Aviv and the UK has an honorary consul in Eilat and a consulate-general in Jerusalem that represents the UK there and in the Palestinian territories.

Still, I doubt Britain is nearly as involved in what goes on in that area as the US.
 
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hollydolly said:
Does that not make you Jewish by Birth ?... just asking, I don't know how it works ?
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Murrmurr said:
I'll answer. Yes, Jew is a race, not just a religion. You can be of Jewish faith and not be a Jew.
My mom was a Jew because her father was Jewish by race as well as faith. Her mom was Italian and Black, and Jewish by faith.
My dad was mostly Irish and Catholic, but I'm not an Irish-Italian-Jewish-Catholic-Black-American, right? There are no race-boxes to tick for Catholic.
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Well hollydolly technically I could claim that designation but in the end it was decided for me. My Mom was Hasidic and was attending Princeton when she met my Dad who was Haitian and stationed at Fort Dix. From the records I have my Mom was designated as White and my Dad was designated as Black. Just so the two families didn't kill each other it was decided that I should be designated as: Some Other Race. I felt like an oddity because I felt like I didn't belong. However when living on the border of Crown Heights (Hasidim) and BedStuy (Black) depending on what side of Eastern Parkway I had the misfortune to be caught on I was called Schvartze or Schwoogie on the Southside and on the Northside it was Half Breed Jewboy, Sambo Jew Davis Jr or Black Hymie. Contrary to the typical NYC Hype, it never was, is not now nor ever will be a true melting pot of social coexistence, acceptance and racial tolerance. In reality The Apple is a juxtaposition of different little race based turfs a/k/a neighborhoods to be socially acceptable and more so politically correct. Something City Hall and it's handlers "The NYC Board of Tourism" and "The Chamber of Commerce" shout to all that listen with cash to spend or invest in corporate development. Bottom line is I was born what GOD intended me to be, no more, no less.

www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/note/US/RHI625219
 
This war has been going on forever. Our president has let it be known that both sides are valid and should exist. Not going to get political here. Seems they just can't stop the fighting or least all my life it's seemed that way. I agree both sides have a right to exist and live in peace and tolerance.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Britain has given financial support to Israel over the years. In fact, its tanks were the reason why Israel won the war so easily in 1967. Taxpayers there object to its money being used to promote that government which is viewed as repressive by so many Brits.
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what ?...1967...?..I was a child.:oops:.@ now 66..I can't see that we Brits are any more involved with Israel than anywhere else..and I have never as a British taxpayer objected to my taxes being used to pay or promote the Israeli govt ,simply because I had no idea they were...

However that said..I'm not going to be drawn into this, because it's political and it's against the forum rules...
 
There have been many discussions on this forum about world events, Holly. Every conflict between groups of people isn't automatically "political." But it would be useful for us to have a definition of what constitutes politics.

I would think politics is about elections, candidates, political parties, how people should vote, the running of government, and so on. The endless conflict in the Mideast is about ancient competition which never seems to end, for the same piece of land, about contempt for a religion other than one's own, and about just plain hatred. It's tribal rather than political.

Of course, we can find a political overlay in nearly everything we talk about. Discussions about police brutality, demonstrations, masks and vaccines, pro-choice vs. pro-life, Confederate flags, racism, gender identity, job equality, and nearly everything else that is the slightest bit controversial, usually has a thin (or not so thin) political overlay. So, where do we draw the line?
 
hollydolly said:
I have never as a British taxpayer objected to my taxes being used to pay or promote the Israeli govt ,simply because I had no idea they were...
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20 years ago we had a forum on the British Guardian website. Every day there were posts which would readily confirm what I wrote. Pro Israel lobbyists persuaded the newspaper to close the forum down because of those postings.
 
Sunny said:
The endless conflict in the Mideast is about ancient competition which never seems to end, for the same piece of land, about contempt for a religion other than one's own, and about just plain hatred. It's tribal rather than political.
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As usual, religion and racism are at the heart of the conflict.
A Palestinian once explained his very compelling perspective on what happened in 1945 and beyond.

Bottom line - it's hard to find a good guy or noble cause in this mess.
 
StarSong said:
As usual, religion and racism are at the heart of the conflict.
A Palestinian once explained his very compelling perspective on what happened in 1945 and beyond.

Bottom line - it's hard to find a good guy or noble cause in this mess.
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Agreed. Would be great if every religious site in the Old City of any flavor were designated a secular museum with no worship allow on the premises.
 
hollydolly said:
Does that not make you Jewish by Birth ?... just asking, I don't know how it works ?
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That’s how I am with trying to figure out the “Royalty chain of command works or simply put, who gets what title and how?” Now, you may have a good laugh.
 
Pepper said:
Kudos to your mother for escaping Hasidim, @FastTrax. It could not have been easy for her. And Princeton! Yiddishe kop!
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Thanks Pepper, many a time I was under my mothers tow when she'd respond to what I considered to be an obviously insulting question with: "yes, i'm a yiddishe kop" Life is never easy when one is young.
 
AnnieA said:
The modern age Jewish diaspora did actually start with the Roman victory in the Jewish-Roman Wars.
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Actually, a few years later when King Ferdinand of Spain executed the Edict of 1479 where all "Marranos" were to be exiled. The vast majority were sent to the Caribbean and all points south.
 
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