The latest mass shooting

Other than killing, what other purpose is a gun used? It is a killing machine. Period. It's asinine to allow guns into the hands of people, who should not be given the power of life/death. It also asinine to allow a fixation on weapons to out weigh the rights of all citizens to be free from gun violence.


Weekly innocent Americans protect their families and property with legally purchased weapons, you just never hear about it because it doesn’t fit the media pushed narrative.
If someone is breaking into your home what will you do? Make a call, hide in a closet? Beg for mercy? Fight back or call your family to say goodbye, hopefully you can get them all in before the closet door opens…

The choice is yours, be a sheep or a wolf.


https://www.foxcarolina.com/anderso...deo_c16c8485-1d8a-5296-b378-3dd5a87afc44.html
 

Well I live in Canada only a half hour from the U.S. and I have visited frequently. What you may not know is that Canadians get all kinds of news from the U.S. every day. On our television cable we get all the major U.S. networks, CBS, NBC, ABC and in addition PBS . I follow U.S. news closely. My sister in law and her family live in Chicago. My son lives in New England with his family.

Back to what you said. I'm not going to argue the point anymore with you. I just wanted to point out that just because I don't live there that I don't know what is going on. I also belong to a politics forum and I'll keep all my arguing there.

What you say is correct and it depends on the state. It's tough to generalize and come to a definite conclusion.

Whether you think my opinion does not matter or not I'm allowed to present it.



"it depends on the state. It's tough to generalize and come to a definite conclusion."

Why didn't you just say that , in the beginning ?

My remark was smart-a$$ed...I apologize .
 
Dudewho, these tales of protection against intruders are enormously hyped-up accounts of events that are very rare. I have lived in many parts of this country, and have never experienced anyone trying to break into my home. Neither has anyone in my family, or my friends, to my knowledge. It just doesn't happen often enough to warrant all the risks of keeping a gun, "just in case."

From all I have read on this subject, the thieves are pretty savvy about timing their break-ins when no one is home. If they have studied your home and your likelihood of being away, that's when they break in. That's why it's a good idea to stop newspaper deliveries when you are going on vacation; you don't want anything piled up outside your door. Local high school graduation nights are a popular time for break-ins. It is easy for thieves to get lists of students about to graduate, and look up the addresses of some of them. Burglaries spike during graduation nights. They know the family will not be home. So, itchy as your trigger finger might be, you are not likely to be home when the thieves will be breaking in. Probably a good alarm system is a much better idea, if you are so worried about break-ins. (But not as much fun as your fantasies about being a "wolf.")

It is much more likely that the overzealous gunslinger living in the house will shoot a neighbor, a confused or drunk person, a kid, or someone's pet. This country is not the wild west, as much as the gun lobby would have us believe it is.

The real danger to us is not the very improbable likelihood that someone will try to break in to our homes. It is our likelihood of being shot as part of a crowd in a public place. Get with the 21st century, Dude! Read the paper, on any given day.
 

I don't live on another planet either and you would be very surprised how much US news is available to people in countries all over the world.
We can hear radio programs from NPR, BBC, Radio Netherlands and Deutsche Welle to name a few. They are all broadcast over our own ABC NEWS 24 station and we also have US news on our local TV stations, not to mention on the internet.

If you were curious about Australia you could follow our news too.

All of the above is irrelevant to my question about whether loose gun laws correlate with low death rates in some states or cities. Given that we often hear that people would be safer if there were more guns in civilian hands, I thought that maybe you might be able to find an example to share. I often hear the Chicago has strong gun legislation but high a death rate of gun related homicide. I have seen the argument that one reason for this is the much laxer laws in neighbouring states where obtaining a gun is easy. Bringing them in over the state line is no problem.

I thought you might have been able to counter this argument by showing that there are at least some states or cities where looser laws and low death rates go hand in hand.


"I have seen the argument that one reason for this is the much laxer laws in neighbouring states where obtaining a gun is easy. Bringing them in over the state line is no problem. "

From what I hear , from the news...that is correct. And a huge part of the problem...I live near Cincinnati,Ohio...we are lax, so it is said that many in the more stringent states come here.

"I thought that maybe you might be able to find an example to share."

Keep in mind . I'm no computer genius :) But I'll see what I can find.

"If you were curious about Australia you could follow our news too."

To be perfectly honest......I never gave it a thought. Sure if you folks have a "big story" it is on our national broadcast , but day-to-day? No. Perhaps i will look [on line] now & again.
 
Dudewho, these tales of protection against intruders are enormously hyped-up accounts of events that are very rare. I have lived in many parts of this country, and have never experienced anyone trying to break into my home. Neither has anyone in my family, or my friends, to my knowledge. It just doesn't happen often enough to warrant all the risks of keeping a gun, "just in case."

From all I have read on this subject, the thieves are pretty savvy about timing their break-ins when no one is home. If they have studied your home and your likelihood of being away, that's when they break in. That's why it's a good idea to stop newspaper deliveries when you are going on vacation; you don't want anything piled up outside your door. Local high school graduation nights are a popular time for break-ins. It is easy for thieves to get lists of students about to graduate, and look up the addresses of some of them. Burglaries spike during graduation nights. They know the family will not be home. So, itchy as your trigger finger might be, you are not likely to be home when the thieves will be breaking in. Probably a good alarm system is a much better idea, if you are so worried about break-ins. (But not as much fun as your fantasies about being a "wolf.")

It is much more likely that the overzealous gunslinger living in the house will shoot a neighbor, a confused or drunk person, a kid, or someone's pet. This country is not the wild west, as much as the gun lobby would have us believe it is.

The real danger to us is not the very improbable likelihood that someone will try to break in to our homes. It is our likelihood of being shot as part of a crowd in a public place. Get with the 21st century, Dude! Read the paper, on any given day.



" It just doesn't happen often enough to warrant all the risks of keeping a gun, "just in case."

Risk? to keeping a gun.......Ya keep it, "just in case".......... if some one breaks in ? ya shoot'em.

"It is our likelihood of being shot as part of a crowd in a public place."

Exactly why one should carry......shoot back!


"Get with the 21st century, Dude! Read the paper"

Was the remark really necessary?
 
Dudewho, these tales of protection against intruders are enormously hyped-up accounts of events that are very rare. I have lived in many parts of this country, and have never experienced anyone trying to break into my home. Neither has anyone in my family, or my friends, to my knowledge. It just doesn't happen often enough to warrant all the risks of keeping a gun, "just in case."

From all I have read on this subject, the thieves are pretty savvy about timing their break-ins when no one is home. If they have studied your home and your likelihood of being away, that's when they break in. That's why it's a good idea to stop newspaper deliveries when you are going on vacation; you don't want anything piled up outside your door. Local high school graduation nights are a popular time for break-ins. It is easy for thieves to get lists of students about to graduate, and look up the addresses of some of them. Burglaries spike during graduation nights. They know the family will not be home. So, itchy as your trigger finger might be, you are not likely to be home when the thieves will be breaking in. Probably a good alarm system is a much better idea, if you are so worried about break-ins. (But not as much fun as your fantasies about being a "wolf.")

It is much more likely that the overzealous gunslinger living in the house will shoot a neighbor, a confused or drunk person, a kid, or someone's pet. This country is not the wild west, as much as the gun lobby would have us believe it is.

The real danger to us is not the very improbable likelihood that someone will try to break in to our homes. It is our likelihood of being shot as part of a crowd in a public place. Get with the 21st century, Dude! Read the paper, on any given day.


"From all I have read on this subject, the thieves are pretty savvy about timing their break-ins when no one is home."
That's known as "wishful thinking."Well, home invasion robberies are a frequent news item. In that scenario, thieves target people who ARE home. I'm fortunate enough to live in a nice neighborhood - several celebrities as neighbors. I had one (attempted) home invasion robbery 20 years ago. The house was being remodeled & he could certainly see the TV on at the time. There were 3 cars in the driveway. When I pointed a gun at him, he ran off. He was arrested later that same night after he broke into another home - also with the occupants at home.
More recently, the elderly couple next door were also home when two thieves broke in & severely beat both of them.
There are people who aren't satisfied with just stealing things; they enjoy hurting people. Owning a gun is a big responsibility & there is nothing wrong with choosing NOT to. It's not for everyone. There IS, however something wrong with telling others what they should do.
 
Dudewho, these tales of protection against intruders are enormously hyped-up accounts of events that are very rare. I have lived in many parts of this country, and have never experienced anyone trying to break into my home. Neither has anyone in my family, or my friends, to my knowledge. It just doesn't happen often enough to warrant all the risks of keeping a gun, "just in case."
I have have homeowners insurance "just in case." I have car insurance "just in case." Never used it before but it's there if needed.
 
We'll always have guns. We all know that, for good or for bad. But have to ask, how often have we heard about mass knifings?
 
Yes, Johndoe, and how often do we hear of anyone being killed by their homeowners insurance, or their car insurance? :lol1:
 


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