The Permafrost is melting fast in the Yukon, what are we going to do?

DonnyO said:
What a great idea.
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While it's difficult to predict an exact timeline for human survival, the consequences of unchecked global emissions and permafrost thawing would be severe and far-reaching. Without major action to reduce emissions, global temperatures are projected to rise by 2.5°C to 4.5°C by 2100
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Impacts of Unmitigated Climate Change​

  • Permafrost Thawing: Accelerated permafrost thaw could release large amounts of greenhouse gases, further intensifying global warming
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  • Infrastructure Damage: Thawing permafrost is already destabilizing buildings, roads, and other critical infrastructure in Arctic regions
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  • Flooding and Displacement: Melting permafrost is turning previously frozen ground into ponds and swamps, increasing flooding risks and forcing some communities to relocate
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  • Food Security: Crop losses and disruptions to traditional food sources would threaten food security for many populations
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  • Health Risks: Increased air pollution, extreme weather events, and the potential release of ancient pathogens would pose significant health threats
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While these impacts would be severe, they would likely unfold over decades to centuries rather than causing sudden, widespread human extinction. However, they would dramatically reduce the Earth's carrying capacity for human populations and lead to significant suffering and loss of life.It's important to note that immediate action to reduce emissions could still prevent the worst outcomes. Even small reductions in future temperature increases would result in less warming that would otherwise persist for centuries
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We may at the point of no return. Governments and those yearly climate conventions are just lip service and business connections. If anything is done, it'll have to be at the small combined community level.
 
Thawing permafrost every summer has been going on for 1000's of years.

Enclose Cities with huge domes. AC with indifference. Easy like football stadiums. Only electrical stuff
allowed in the Cities. Put the screws to the rest of them. 2 separate economies, Ai in the domes and FU
In the wildernesses.
Insiders of the dome's inhabitants can have cardboard / plastic / whatever / boxes, no snow, freezing
winds or driving rainstorms.
Outsiders, must live in tunnels, can do what the need to with rickety racketeer's.

Bio Service Crops / Trees / bushes / weeds / , Geo engineering them white, reflects heat.
8 Billion people only wearing white. Everything on earth now white.

Earth the brightest dot in the known Universe.
 
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Thawing permafrost was not an issue talked about when climate change was first considered, and the release of sequestered methane gas that would speed the warming faster than expected was a total surprise, at least to me. I even assumed that the colder areas of the planet would be the last to feel the effects, but they seem to be more vulnerable than the moderate areas. The last couple of years the lower latitudes were finally starting to get hit harder. There are just too many unknowns to predict all the effects. Science address only generally the physical effects. No one had given much thought to the economic effects until the last couple of years. And I think that may be the one is going to surprise us more than we think.
 
Paco Dennis said:
"Big Oil" = "Petroleum Industry", would that be ok?
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I believe in climate change and saving the environment, but everyone blames oil. We are totally dependent on it. Everything is made from fossil fuels. The wind turbines are made by machines that use it. The clothes we wear and food we eat are processed by machines run on oil or gas from fossil fuel. We have to learn to cut back and live with it along with other sources. Not completely eliminate it.
 
Nathan said:
the gullible and un-educated
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Frankly this is who bobble-heads the media fed climate alarmism agenda of globalist authoritarians.

Remember when they banned owning and riding horses in order to move people to cars? Neither do I, it never happened and didn't have to.
 
A few years ago, there was a company that placed reflective material that slowed melting glaciers and melting permafrost. That foundation was really getting amazing results and then about 4 years ago their webpage and contact info disappeared.

Scientist that aren't funded by government or special interest groups, have promoted this for years and then they were silenced. You can search and find online the ski resorts, near glaciers, that use reflective blankets to save snow. If this science didn't work, they wouldn't do it.

We could actually reverse this glacier melting with reflective materials or maybe some scientist will find a better way to reflect the sun away from melting artic ice.
 
dilettante said:
Name calling. Is that really where you go first?

If you think "Big Oil" doesn't take a huge share of "green" energy production and distribution profits... well there's a bridge for sale in New York with your name on it!
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"Big Oil"..."name calling"? If that hurts your feelings maybe the big, oil producing industry could be referred to as..the Fossil Fuel industry. Better?

"Name calling", what a hoot, make my day! 😅
 
dilettante said:
Frankly this is who bobble-heads the media fed climate alarmism agenda of globalist authoritarians.

Remember when they banned owning and riding horses in order to move people to cars? Neither do I, it never happened and didn't have to.
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Yea, I never heard of any of that either, but yet you mentioned it...why? Been watching conspiracy YT videos again?
 
"What are we gonna do?"

I think about this a LOT, every day. Every time I turn on a light, do a load of laundry, wash a sink full of dishes, cook a meal, go to town. Every time I buy something, I think about what it took to get that item to the store; do I really NEED it? If so, does it have a dual purpose?

For now, people need to use less of everything and be thoughtful of what they are using. It's really difficult but if everybody, and I mean hundreds of millions of people across the world, reduced their energy usage by just 5%, wouldn't that make quite a difference? There are places where the electricity is being rationed, turned off for hours at a time. I would rather have heat all of the time at a slightly lower temperature than none for hours. The problem with doing this is the power companies will sell less and therefore earn less. You know what they will do? Raise your rates. Ask me how I know this.

I also have many doubts about the truth/accuracy of much of the information we get.

Example: The small town near here constantly preaches "we are in a water crisis, use less water". A few months ago, a developer asked for approval to build a 450 home subdivision. The citizens at that meeting were throwing the water crisis in the town council's face. The council's response was, "We have enough water for those additional homes." Guess what? The developer is the son of the mayor's live-in girlfriend. Mayor has since announced he will not run for office again. In addition, on the town's website are the minutes of a meeting not yet held; the minutes state the development has been approved, ________ yea, ________nay. I saw this with my own eyes; this is not hearsay.

Why should people change their lifestyles when this kind of crap is happening?
 
If we used 40,000,000,000 animals to do all the needed stuff the methane from their scat would suffocate us.

Of course, Millions of Buffalo and Millions of horses in herds, millions of Beef, millions of sheep / hogs / chickens started the global crisis.
Delivery of blocks of ice actually did too. Raising crops Millions of acres, wind jammers, brought about mini-ice ages too. 1000's of
wind jammer cargo ships with electric props for port movements will help too. They can recharge with solar cells. Tow em behind the ships.
Huge Catamarans with one hull of Solar cells mostly, the other cargo mostly.
 
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I've scaled back consumption radically since retiring. Not just direct use of energy but also consumption of goods and services, which is where the real "climate altering" impacts are.

Do you realize how many tons of rock must be dug down to, dug up, crushed and processed, then moved and further refined... just to get the materials to start making the components of a 1,000 pound or bigger battery pack for a BEV? Or even more to support rooftop solar panels? Nope, it isn't done by shoemaker's elves. Lots of heavy equipment burning tons of fossil fuels from cradle to grave. And that's before the actual parts are made - much less assembled, transported, and installed.

Yet weenies want to lecture others, while they are a far bigger part of the problem.
 
Stir up the water into tall waves, heat is better absorbed and cooled in the deeper Gulf Streams.
The deep ocean is very cold.

Seriously Raise / fill dirt all the lowlands so to keep the Methane / CO2 underground. Worthless to the common person anyway.
The Smokey's are getting flattened anyway, just truck it to the lowlands. Haul the Alps too.
 

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