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[h=1]One empty seat on the Clown Bus. Rick Perry drops out[/h]
Rick Perry first to exit 2016 Republican presidential race.
Associated Press

Friday, September 11, 2015 5:46pm


ST. LOUIS — Out of money and relegated once again to the back-of-the-pack debate, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry on Friday dropped out of the race for president, ending his second bid for the Republican presidential nomination and becoming the first major candidate of the 2016 campaign to give up .

The longest-serving governor in Texas history, who had never lost an election until he started running for president, told a group of conservative activists in St. Louis that "some things have become clear" and that it was time to suspend his campaign.

"We have a tremendous field of candidates — probably the greatest group of men and women," Perry said, alluding to the 16 Republican candidates left. "I step aside knowing our party is in good hands, as long as we listen to the grass roots, listen to that cause of conservatism. If we do that, then our party will be in good hands."

Four years ago, Perry's first bid for the White House essentially collapsed after a GOP debate in which he couldn't remember the name of the third federal agency he'd wanted to close if elected — he was only able to mutter "Oops." This time around, he couldn't win enough support in early polls to even qualify for the party's prime-time debates, finding himself relegated instead to second-stage affairs.
 

If Donald Trump said "oops," everyone would think it was cute.

I think the reason Perry lost support last election cycle was this comment in a debate (about illegal immigration):

“If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought there through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart. We need to be educating these children, because they will become a drag on our society.”

He got booed loudly.
 
Jackie22 said:
One empty seat on the Clown Bus.
That sounds like a Trump comment. I'm turned off by his snarky comments and "persona". It's too bad he's like that because I think he's the only guy that can get us out of this financial mess we're in. Maybe only ugliness can do that. Sad. But I'll be watching Carly Fiorina at the debate Wednesday night.
 

If Donald Trump said "oops," everyone would think it was cute.

I think the reason Perry lost support last election cycle was this comment in a debate (about illegal immigration):

“If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought there through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart. We need to be educating these children, because they will become a drag on our society.”

He got booed loudly.

I remember that, Nancy, Perry's "Oops, I forgot the third one." didn't help either.
 
That sounds like a Trump comment. I'm turned off by his snarky comments and "persona". It's too bad he's like that because I think he's the only guy that can get us out of this financial mess we're in. Maybe only ugliness can do that. Sad. But I'll be watching Carly Fiorina at the debate Wednesday night.

Yes, snarky remarks and propaganda about our president turns me off too.....
 
Interesting when someone feels only Trump can get us "out of this mess we're in". He has failed 4 times financially resulting in bankruptcy. Carley Fiorina failed so badly at HP CEO that she got fired after plunging them into a precarious financial position.
 
If Donald Trump said "oops," everyone would think it was cute.

I think the reason Perry lost support last election cycle was this comment in a debate (about illegal immigration):

“If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought there through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart. We need to be educating these children, because they will become a drag on our society.”

He got booed loudly.

And just what was wrong with that comment? It seems correct to me. Educate those immigrants, legal or illegal, or we get stuck with folks that won't be able to speak English, as they should, and find good work with good wages either. Just another big drag on the US economy. So who was booing this comment anyway?

This post is not clear! Did Perry say this or did one of the challengers say this. Just not clear.
 
Interesting when someone feels only Trump can get us "out of this [FINANCIAL] mess we're in". He has failed 4 times financially resulting in bankruptcy. Carley Fiorina failed so badly at HP CEO that she got fired after plunging them into a precarious financial position.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." Thomas A. Edison

You have to understand "LIFE", AZJim. Failure is a part of success. It often takes many failures to reach success. Failure doesn't necessarily have to define you unless you let it. It often makes you stronger, wiser, and more able. I won't waste my time on discussing Trump because I don't see him lasting long at the top of the polls due to his podium deliveries. And I don't know much about Fiorina but hope to with the upcoming debate wednesday night. Meanwhile, here she explains her time with Hewlett-Packard much more factually and accurately than you have:

Carly Fiorina on Hewlett Packard questions:
http://news.yahoo.com/carly-fiorina-interview-with-katie-couric-200949497.html
 
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." Thomas A. Edison

You have to understand "LIFE", AZJim. Failure is a part of success. It often takes many failures to reach success. Failure doesn't necessarily have to define you unless you let it. It often makes you stronger, wiser, and more able. I won't waste my time on discussing Trump because I don't see him lasting long at the top of the polls due to his podium deliveries. And I don't know much about Fiorina but hope to with the upcoming debate wednesday night. Meanwhile, here she explains her time with Hewlett-Packard much more factually and accurately than you have:

Carly Fiorina on Hewlett Packard questions:
http://news.yahoo.com/carly-fiorina-interview-with-katie-couric-200949497.html

I'll just have to understand that you are far better able to assess these things than I. I just thought that I had a basic understanding of both candidates from independent sources here and there and my own observation, but I yield to your apparent superiority on both counts. I imagine those 30,000 employees laid off by Fiorina are all doing well, and I understand HP is limping back from it's "improvements" made by Fiorina and almost going under as a result. But I am sure, her own statement is clear repudiation of all that. Here's some more "ignorant" opinion on her:

President Fiorina? How Carly did at HP

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Carly Fiorina (AP)

Former Hewlett-Packard executive Carly Fiorina threw her name in the 2016 presidential race Monday. She’s not likely, though, to get a ringing endorsement from investors of HP; the company under her got bigger but less healthy.
Fiorina’s roughly six-year tenure as the first female CEO of a company in the Dow Jones industrial average is still one of great contention. “Fiorina was bad. Everyone seems to agree on this now,” wrote then-technology USA TODAY columnist Keven Maney immediately following her forced ouster Feb. 8, 2005.
Some thought her tenure would be cleared as time passed. But that really hasn’t been the case.
The stock under Fiorina was a disaster — falling 65% from July 19, 1999, to Feb. 8, 2005. It was a tough time for the stock market, too, as the Standard & Poor’s 500 dropped 15% during the same time. But HP’s stock even underperformed the S&P 500 Information Technology Sector index.
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Source: S&P Capital IQ

But those investors can be so shallow, right? What about the actual performance of the business? Fiorina didn’t make much progress on the company’s profit, despite making massive bets such as buying computer maker Compaq. The company’s net income under Fiorina didn’t budge during her tenure and even dropped into the red in 2002. HP’s net income was flat during the period, even while reported net income of the S&P 500 rose 70%.
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Source: S&P Capital IQ

Fiorina did make the company larger in terms of revenue. The company’s total revenue jumped, largely due to massive acquisitions like Compaq.
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Source: S&P Capital IQ

But that came by piling on massive amounts of debt, too.
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Chart source; S&P Capital IQ

That’s right. She created a larger company — with more debt. Wonder how that would work in government?
Voters may be willing to give Fiorina a try. But investors were harsher — forcing her out of Hewlett-Packard.
Jeffrey Sonnenfeld of Yale University at the time labeled her “the worst (CEO) because of her ruthless attack on the essence of this great company,” in USA TODAY. He added: “She destroyed half the wealth of her investors and yet still earned almost $100 million in total payments for this destructive reign of terror.”



























 
True Bob. That's scary. If we don't do something fast, we're going down. As of 9/12/15 our National debt is [SIZE=+2]$18,151,108,522,784.29 [/SIZE](+8 Trillion of that during Obama). This is according to every source I've heard from or read. No one seems to differ on this.
 
This has been demonstrated many times and while the debt is there, it's origin is not as described. I won't bother but there are countless charts reflecting the whys on this subject as well as what is to blame.
 
This has been demonstrated many times and while the debt is there, it's origin is not as described. I won't bother but there are countless charts reflecting the whys on this subject as well as what is to blame.

Whatever you want to say it is all under the Obama days. Who you going to blame for this problem. It was not the Republicans.
 
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Whatever you want to say it is all under the Obama days. Who you going to blame for this problem. It was not the Republicans.

Do you have any memory of the Bush administration? Do you have any memory of the state of this country when President Obama took office? It most certainly was the Republicans!
 
QuickSilver, tnThomas, and MaryZPA...Bob is talking about the 8 trillion dollars that was added to the National Debt by Obama AFTER the Bush Administration. Bush had added almost 5 trillion, mostly in response to 9/11 (military spending for war on terror), the 2001 recession, the bailout for banks to combat the 2008 global financial crisis and the increased need for SS and Medicare. Obama has another year to go.

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QuickSilver, tnThomas, and MaryZPA...Bob is talking about the 8 trillion dollars that was added to the National Debt by Obama AFTER the Bush Administration. Bush had added almost 5 trillion, mostly in response to 9/11 (military spending for war on terror), the 2001 recession, the bailout for banks to combat the 2008 global financial crisis and the increased need for SS and Medicare. Obama has another year to go.

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So you don't think those are things that needed to have money spent? Not to mention... the way our government works Lara.. is that no money can be spent unless the House of Representatives approves it.. THEY have the purse strings. That is the power of the House.. The Senate must then approve it. Since the House of Representatives has been in Republican control since 2010 and it's now 2015.. WHO do you blame for the national debt?
 
So you don't think those are things that needed to have money spent?
QuickSilver, I think you're confused unless you're praising the Bush Administration….which is fine but you don't strike me as a Bush Administration lover. The "things" I mentioned were all "money's spent" by Bush (not Obama). As I said, it was Bush's response to " 9/11 (military spending for war on terror), the 2001 recession, the bailout for banks to combat the 2008 global financial crisis and the increased need for SS and Medicare." And, yes, I think some of it was necessary but not all (the war was 600-800 billion a year, ugh). Also, your comment, "how the government works Lara", was unnecessary.
 
QuickSilver, tnThomas, and MaryZPA...Bob is talking about the 8 trillion dollars that was added to the National Debt by Obama AFTER the Bush Administration. Bush had added almost 5 trillion, mostly in response to 9/11 (military spending for war on terror), the 2001 recession, the bailout for banks to combat the 2008 global financial crisis and the increased need for SS and Medicare. Obama has another year to go.

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I'm not in the least bit confused Lara..
 
For you deniers, where is your proof that the charts of the government debt are wrong. To many of you are living in a land of dementia if you think Obama governments did not create these debts.
 
Please explain HOW he did it... without the approval and budget passed by the Republican House... Not possible... because we all know that the Republican House would rather eat a mile of cotton flannel than give Obama ANYTHING he asks for.. So If you could show the bills passed out of the House approving all that spending in the last 5 years... it would be a great help. Oh wait... they weren't any... The previous administration made the mess AND the debt.. any spending done during Obama's term has been simply to dig us out of it... AND to save the country and our economy.
 
Look to how Obama has created this debt and see that he has expanded the government size by great numbers, has spent lots of money on things never looked at in Congress. Has run the government in the shadow of his control and not through conventional Congressional controls that you love to quote as needed. Some how he gets those money demands passed or shuts down the government to make his case. Obama has done some good things but mostly he has not run the government through Congressional actions but from his big money and demanding ways.

Look to what Reid has done as the Republican House was putting ideas up to the Senate. He would take them, register them, put them into a pile and never bring them up for actions. So of course we can point to those never acted on issues and put all the blame that should be put on the Democrats, across the table and on the Republicans?

Too bad we have these political parties in the government. Parties should be kept out of the actual government and elected peoples be made to represent those that elected them, not some phony political party. Per our Constitution.
 
I think if it is ok to describe how "Life" works, surely it is equally ok to apply the same yardstick to "how the government works?" Yikes, a little laughter to lighten things up never hurts. Lol.
 

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