The "trial-and-error" Phase of the Country's re-opening

The governor announced today that my region and a few other regions of New York State have met the CDC guidelines to begin phase one reopening on or after May 15th.

The first phase is limited to construction, manufacturing, all retail curbside pickup, drive-in movies, horticulture, and agriculture. It is also limited to only those businesses in these categories that have modified their workplace and business practices to accommodate the CDC guidelines for social distancing, testing, reporting, etc...

The first phase also contains some provisions to reopen or provide child daycare but no details on that have been provided in the announcement.

Phase one and future phases may be restricted if the infection rate, hospitalizations, and deaths begin to increase.

Baby steps!
 

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rgp said:
If [some] folks feel they no longer have a life [for any reason] and are only maintaining a mere existence ....then they are very likely willing to [roll the dice] and get back to having a life , a life that fulfills .

However, if a person or persons are willing to cower in fear ?.... for as long as they can, then that is what they are going to do.

But for one or the other to impose their needs on the other is IMO.... just wrong. We all must live life to the fullest .... or to at least live it to satisfaction that only we know for ourselves.

As for the [nation] ? Make no mistake ... it would IMO be a mistake to keep the country "closed" any longer. Again, America was built on her industrial might .... and has made her reputation & earned her respect on that might ..... we cannot let it slip away.
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"However, if a person or persons are willing to cower in fear ?.... for as long as they can, then that is what they are going to do."

Cower in fear?
Are you referring to those who wish to be extra cautious and wait longer before leaving their homes? I'm one of those. I am not cowering in fear! I have just about everything illness the CDC lists plus my age that makes me a target for death if I get Covid-19.

I'm being sensible for my health and not taking chances. A far cry from cowering in fear.
 
Becky1951 said:
"However, if a person or persons are willing to cower in fear ?.... for as long as they can, then that is what they are going to do."

Cower in fear?
Are you referring to those who wish to be extra cautious and wait longer before leaving their homes? I'm one of those. I am not cowering in fear! I have just about everything illness the CDC lists plus my age that makes me a target for death if I get Covid-19.

I'm being sensible for my health and not taking chances. A far cry from cowering in fear.
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Well....we see it differently I guess.
 
Not encouraging information, but important.

Goggle: as of May 1, 2020, 5000 Correction officers have tested positive for Covid 19.
The number of prisoners in your state prisons and county jails that have tested positive for Covid 19 difficult is astounding .
(Your state prison population of infected prisoners should be on Goggle.)

Now the poor, the ignorant, and the myriad reasons people have for ignoring this plague.-what of them?
If we term it a plague, it becomes much larger problem than a virus. Plague is not a
word one can ignore and Covid 19 is a plague.
 
Survival depends upon a species' ability to adapt.

A predatory virus, combined with those who are not willing to be part of the solution (rather than part of the problem), will continue to adapt to insure its own survival.
jerry old said:
Not encouraging information, but important.

Goggle: as of May 1, 2020, 5000 Correction officers have tested positive for Covid 19.
The number of prisoners in your state prisons and county jails that have tested positive for Covid 19 difficult is astounding .
(Your state prison population of infected prisoners should be on Goggle.)

Now the poor, the ignorant, and the myriad reasons people have for ignoring this plague.-what of them?
If we term it a plague, it becomes much larger problem than a virus. Plague is not a
word one can ignore and Covid 19 is a plague.
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Technically, a plague is defined: "Plague is an infectious disease caused by the bacteria Yersinia pestis, usually found in small mammals and their fleas. The disease is transmitted between animals via their fleas and, as it is a zoonotic bacterium, it can also transmit from animals to humans."

But, we are certainly all plagued by the Covid-19 pandemic. Whatever can encourage compliance with social distancing and masking is fine with me.
 
Y'know, all this talk of "cowering in fear" implies that this virus is something you can best, something you can overcome, slay, defeat, as you would an actual physical enemy, if you just had enough damn courage to go up against it.

Really? Seriously?

There's a difference between cowering, which implies being frozen, immobile with terror, and taking thoughtful and judicious steps to avoid becoming contaminated.

You can do what you want, but I sure as hell am not going to bare my breast to the "enemy" of Covid-19 and say COME GET ME YOU MOTHER!!!! and then draw my sword and prepare to fight. There are times I even WISH this "enemy" was that visible, something I could go head to head with.

I don't lack for courage. I know that about myself, and I don't need to prove that to anyone. Courage isn't what is going to get me through the worst of this pandemic. If it were, I'd likely come out the other side unscathed.

This "enemy" is sneaky. Covid is sly, devious and lethal when it gets a chance. It doesn't recognize courage. It just marches straight on through, jumps from host to host and brings them to their knees often in spite of reasonable precautions. It's unseen. It's cunning. It's lethal.

Courage isn't what will get us through this, keep us alive, and living to fight another day. Nope. This is the kind of situation where discretion is the better part of valor. That's what will win the day.
 
Em in Ohio said:
Technically, a plague is defined: "Plague is an infectious disease caused by the bacteria Yersinia pestis, usually found in small mammals and their fleas. The disease is transmitted between animals via their fleas and, as it is a zoonotic bacterium, it can also transmit from animals to humans."

But, we are certainly all plagued by the Covid-19 pandemic. Whatever can encourage compliance with social distancing and masking is fine with me.
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There is another more general definition of plague.
An epidemic disease that causes high mortality; pestilence. an infectious, epidemic disease

I think that definition could apply to Covid-19 especially since it has been described as a pandemic, which is defined as (a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.
 
Ronni said:
There is another more general definition of plague.
An epidemic disease that causes high mortality; pestilence. an infectious, epidemic disease

I think that definition could apply to Covid-19 especially since it has been described as a pandemic, which is defined as (a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.
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If the word "plague" raises awareness and social consciousness, let's use it!
 
Ronni said:
Y'know, all this talk of "cowering in fear" implies that this virus is something you can best, something you can overcome, slay, defeat, as you would an actual physical enemy, if you just had enough damn courage to go up against it.

Really? Seriously?

There's a difference between cowering, which implies being frozen, immobile with terror, and taking thoughtful and judicious steps to avoid becoming contaminated.

You can do what you want, but I sure as hell am not going to bare my breast to the "enemy" of Covid-19 and say COME GET ME YOU MOTHER!!!! and then draw my sword and prepare to fight. There are times I even WISH this "enemy" was that visible, something I could go head to head with.

I don't lack for courage. I know that about myself, and I don't need to prove that to anyone. Courage isn't what is going to get me through the worst of this pandemic. If it were, I'd likely come out the other side unscathed.

This "enemy" is sneaky. Covid is sly, devious and lethal when it gets a chance. It doesn't recognize courage. It just marches straight on through, jumps from host to host and brings them to their knees often in spite of reasonable precautions. It's unseen. It's cunning. It's lethal.

Courage isn't what will get us through this, keep us alive, and living to fight another day. Nope. This is the kind of situation where discretion is the better part of valor. That's what will win the day.
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If a person "fears" going out, continuing with normal life?, then yes they are indeed cowering in fear.

Look up the word cower...it fits.

If a person needs to confine themselves?...fine but stop telling others what they need to do. Others need to work [if they can] . And some need to "get out" just to maintain their sanity .

We cannot keep this collective "cowering" up for too long.....the country will collapse financially .
 
Ronni

The medical community continues to labor under a high state
of anxiety.
There begging our 'leaders' to address this 'plague' with the
seriousness it demands.
Some do, as Como in NY; others feel economics are more important that presentation.
The federal govt has no ability to limit the behavior of the nation unless they are in violation of federal guidelines.
(They can declare marshal law, but that is not to be considered.)

This is not a blithe situation, why some feel they can continue their activities as before assures the disease will remain with us.
Why did I suddenly change from calling it a pandemic to a plague?
1. When I located the number of prison correction officers as of May 3-5000
2. I am not overly sensitive to the plight of prisoners, but you have a community, herded together like livestock, with virtually no method to avoid infections. There is no spokesman for prisoners.
3. State Psychiatric Hospitals have always been hell holes, no one gives a damn about them. They too are inundated with
covid 19.
Plague a scare word? Yes, in places where there is no treatment, little or no concern, no resources available to meet
the needs of the afflicted-yes, it is a plague.
The closed communities present a virulent breeding ground
for Covid 19, when there are no preventive measures or treatment it becomes a plague.
As long as these condition exist, it will spread to the greater society.
Em uses 'predatory', describing the virus to our age group it is a plague.

(The stats on Goggle are vastly understated, by design or by unconcerned personnel.)
 
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take your choice hungry or infected.

Those of us on this site, due to our ages are prime candidates to become a 'no longer among the living' stat.

The young view the virus entirely different, but once infected
they unknowingly infect others.
Who does not want to see their children and grandchildren?

2. The feds throwing money to common folk is a drop in the
bucket compared to the expenditures made to bail out the
banks under Obama in 2008.
the figures on Goggle run from 700 billion to 4.6 trillion to 16 trillion.
The actual amount will always remain unknown.

Being scary because your old is a legitimate concern.
 
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