THIS is what should be "protested"

JB in SC said:
You obviously have never driven in Houston....:)
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Yes .... you got me there!! ... people live in their cars on the freeways 24/7 .. all of them!
Since I'm retired and live in the outer fringes of the city, it doesn't affect my life these days. But yes, the people who travel around the city for their jobs, etc., it's bad.
 
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Aunt Marg said:
Don M. I'm interested in learning more about why Chicago sees so many murders. What constitutes all of the carnage? Myself, I would have thought that a city such as Chicago would be one of the better cities in which to live, because it seems wealthy and all.
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Perhaps because it is not wealthy FOR all ?

The more egalitarian a society is, the less civil disorder is manifested.
 
Been There said:
I have been giving this some thought like most everyone else. I believe that if those in charge would make some changes, it would be a good start in the right direction. After all, how's that saying go? "If you don't have a solution, you may be part of the problem?" We can't or shouldn't just complain if we aren't willing to get involved and have something to offer. So here are my offerings:

1. Depending on the degree of the charge, only allow a cop to carry two demerits on his record. The third demerit and he's gone. Each year that the cop does not have any incidents reported, one demerit can come off his record.
2. Absolutely better training, including some psychotherapy training.
3. Better vetting. If the cop was discharged from his last job, or he left his last job with 'x' number of demerits on his record, don't hire him.
4. Set up a disciplinary panel made up of former attorneys, judges and at least one person from the private sector. There should not be more than three people on any panel.
5. Anytime a cop draws his weapon, he must fill out a report as to why he did so. If he used his weapon, he needs to rite out a complete explanation as to why and what happened.
6. All cops answering a call or handling a situation "must" turn on his body or dash camera and leave it on until arrival back at the station or if another cop takes in the perp, then he may turn his camera off.

The very last thing that I want to address is police unions. Over the years, Mayors and City Councils have given into the demands of the unions much too easy. I'm OK with them having a union, but there must be some language in their contracts about "accountability." I'm not sure how it should be written, but it needs to address what happens if a suspect is taken to the hospital or worse and the cop should be able to show on video what led up to his having to do harm to the person in custody. Having witness reports to jive with the cop's statements would carry a lot of weight.

You may want to add or alter some of my statements.
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Good steps and things which I have heard discussed. I'm glad that they are finally being addressed. What I found most interesting was about the impact of the police unions on officer accountability. Perhaps this should be higher on your list. I'm not anti-union, but there are definitely some problems here. Now, I'm wondering if the threat to disband police departments is just a means of union-busting - perhaps to get a fresh start.
 
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Don M. said:
Most of the Carnage that takes place in our cities is located and related to the Drug and Street Gang activity. These thugs are constantly competing with each other for "territory", and quite often, innocent people get caught in the "crossfire" of their actions. Anywhere in the core inner cities, where most of this gang activity is centered, poses major risks to the lives of those living there.

I spent a few weeks in Chicago, right in the heart of downtown, while attending company functions....and it was not unusual to hear gunfire, especially at night. Locally, there are places in Kansas City and St. Louis....where I would Not want to venture into...especially after dark.
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We have a population of 46,000 and we hear gun fire in the middle of the night. Lots of drug activity here and possibly some gang related stuff.
 
Warrigal said:
Perhaps because it is not wealthy FOR all ?

The more egalitarian a society is, the less civil disorder is manifested.
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Lack of wealth- or flat-out poverty- isn't an excuse or even a reason. It'd certainly be great if everyone had equally, but I've known plenty of people who had nothing and still didn't take this 'lie, cheat, steal' approach.
 
Don M. said:
Most of the Carnage that takes place in our cities is located and related to the Drug and Street Gang activity. These thugs are constantly competing with each other for "territory", and quite often, innocent people get caught in the "crossfire" of their actions. Anywhere in the core inner cities, where most of this gang activity is centered, poses major risks to the lives of those living there.

I spent a few weeks in Chicago, right in the heart of downtown, while attending company functions....and it was not unusual to hear gunfire, especially at night. Locally, there are places in Kansas City and St. Louis....where I would Not want to venture into...especially after dark.
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The heart of downtown Chicago, and you heard gunfire? As a native Chicagoan, and one who drove Yellow Cab for four years, I'm sorry, but I'm calling BS, here. Either you weren't in downtown Chicago, or you were confusing automobile backfires with gunfire. Then again, if you're really ancient, and you stayed in the Loop, in the 1920's, then maybe you did hear gunfire...... Darn those Tommy Guns!
 
Bonnie said:
The 'Melting Pot' city in the US is Houston... It is the fourth largest city in the country, right after Chicago. It doesn't make national news headlines all that much with the rioting, etc.
There are plenty of gangs, drugs in the area, but people in general get along well for a city of this size. .. It's the most diverse city in the country.


HOUSTON, TX — Houston has surpassed New York City and Los Angeles as the nation's most diverse metro area — a highly prized distinction among cities trying to lure jobs and workers to fill them to their communities. While other cities charge boards and commissions with developing plans to promote and implement a culture of diversity on their own, diversity just simply happened in Houston when no one was really looking.
Houston wears its diversity as a badge of honor. It's estimated that more than 140 different languages are spoken in the metropolitan area, with Spanish and Vietnamese among the most prominent dialects.

According to thecitywithnolimits.com, which used data from the Kinder Institute and Rice University, Houston is more diverse than the U.S., and actually is a city that has no ethnic majority, enjoying a racial diversity that's 37 percent anglo, 37 percent Hispanic, 17 percent black, and 8 percent Asian.

https://patch.com/texas/houston/houston-s-melting-pot-how-diversity-unites-bayou-city
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We've lived in the northwestern area of the bedroom communities of Houston for many years, have 12 acres of land and
also have roling hills and a lot of trees. Houston is very diverse also with respect to having flat marsh like areas "bayous" and then beautiful hills and large tree studded areas that are on the outskits of "The Texas Hill Country". We are not far from where the Republic of Texas was formed, lots of history in and around Houston, too. We wouldn't want to move, have really enjoyed it.
 
JaniceM said:
How about the possibility that a short-term visitor and a long-term resident may have had different experiences... or the time-frame of their experiences were different?
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How about the possibility/impossibility that a visitor to Chicago, staying "right in the heart of downtown," could ever even HEAR actual gunfire, if said visitor was in a hotel in that area? No way, Jose, absolutely NO WAY! Additionally, and even more comical/farcical, he said he heard gunfire, "especially at night, " meaning he sometimes heard it during the day! 🤣 Total BS, total nonsense!
 
applecruncher said:
There are hundreds of possibilities that a person can speculate about to try to match their opinions. I still call BS.
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I'm not speculating, only saying as the individuals who are arguing about the topic were not in the same place at the same time, they may not have had the same experiences as each other.
Similarly, the experiences I had when I was there twice, long ago, are probably much different from people who lived there all their lives.
 
applecruncher said:
Can't speak for treeguy64, but "I" don't care.🙄

As I already said, the thread is diversionary drivel. 💤
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If it's "diversionary drivel" in your world, then move along instead of looking to undermine other members integrity here and disrupt a perfectly enjoyable conversation.

For the record, I just so happen to hold, Don M, to a higher level than you or Treeguy64.
 
Aunt Marg said:
If it's "diversionary drivel" in your world, then move along instead of looking to undermine other members integrity here.

For the record, I just so happen to hold, Don M, to a higher level than you or Treeguy64.
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Undermining integrity? What integrity? Puhleeze. No need to be overly-dramatic. :ROFLMAO:
If people having an opinion different from yours upsets you, take a break or move on yourself.

For the record, I don't keep track of who you hold to whatever level.

And if you have something to say to or about treeguy64, then talk to treeguy64. This isn't junior high school cafeteria.
 
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