Three fired Minneapolis police officers guilty of violating George Floyd's civil rights resulting in his death

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A jury has found three fired Minneapolis police officers guilty of violating George Floyd's civil rights resulting in his death on federal charges.

The jury's guilty verdicts came after two days of deliberations in the case against Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane. Federal civil rights violations that result in death are punishable by up to life in prison or even death, but those sentences are extremely rare, and federal sentencing guidelines suggest the officers will receive much less upon conviction.

The former officers are charged with depriving Floyd of his right to medical care when fellow Officer Derek Chauvin pressed his knee into the 46-year-old black man's neck for 9 1/2 minutes.

Kueng and Thao were also found guilty of failing to intervene to stop Chauvin during the May 25, 2020, videotaped killing that triggered protests worldwide and a reexamination of racism and policing. Thao held back bystanders. Kueng and Lane helped restrain Floyd.

Lane, Kueng and Thao have been freed on bond until a separate trial in June on state charges alleging that they aided and abetted murder and manslaughter.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10545879/Jury-meet-2nd-day-trial-cops-Floyd-killing.html
 

It appears justice may finally be done!

I always have mixed feelings about these things. Police are often put into difficult situations, and second guessing what should have been done can be hard. I would tend to err on the side of the police, but if there was clear evidence of guilt then they are guilty, and it seems there was.
 

I had no clue that former police officer Kueng was Black. Well I guess he and Former police officer Noor might be cellmates.
 
Ruthanne said:
Yep, they stood there and did nothing! Accomplices they are. And then all the other witnesses did nothing too. Pitiful.
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"The other witnesses did nothing?" What do you think these 4 dirtbag murderers would do to a civilian who interfered?
If they were lucky, they would just be arrested & charged with "Interfering with an officer."
If they weren't lucky, they would have been killed.
What would you have done?

BTW, they didn't just "stand there & do nothing." One of the 3 put his knee in Floyd's back while Derek Chauvin strangled him.
The other officer kept the witnesses away & prevented anyone from interfering
 
win231 said:
"The other witnesses did nothing?" What do you think these 4 dirtbag murderers would do to a civilian who interfered?
If they were lucky, they would just be arrested & charged with "Interfering with an officer."
If they weren't lucky, they would have been killed.
What would you have done?

BTW, they didn't just "stand there & do nothing." One of the 3 put his knee in Floyd's back while Derek Chauvin strangled him.
The other officer kept the witnesses away & prevented anyone from interfering
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I would have screamed at the cops!! People should have screamed and yelled!! You can bet your ass I'd risk it!!
 
Anything less than 24 years would be a crime against humanity and against the Floyd family. If it was up to me, I would only be satisfied with the scaffold and the hangman's noose. A life for a life I always say. It would serve as a lesson to criminals like these and the rest of police departments everywhere. This is what would end so much of the problems we have in society. No justice, no peace ~ Isaiah 59:8.

Want to have peace in this society? Bring about justice first, just like it says in the Bible.
 
Ruthanne said:
Yep, they stood there and did nothing! Accomplices they are. And then all the other witnesses did nothing too. Pitiful.
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Not true, the evidence that convicted Chauvin was thanks to teen girl who filmed the event, and an off duty paramedic tried to tell them they were killing him and should stop! Other bystanders shouted for them to stop---as @win231 pointed out had they tried to physically stop them they would have been arrested and likely roughed up as well the camera with the evidence would have gotten destroyed.

The defense attorney for Chauvin tried to paint the pleas of the dozen or so witnesses as a 'threatening mob' during the trial. That failed because there was recorded evidence they never physically tried to intervene, likely because they know how wrong that could have gone for everyone.
 
feywon said:
Not true, the evidence that convicted Chauvin was thanks to teen girl who filmed the event, and an off duty paramedic tried to tell them they were killing him and should stop! Other bystanders shouted for them to stop---as @win231 pointed out had they tried to physically stop them they would have been arrested and likely roughed up as well the camera with the evidence would have gotten destroyed.

The defense attorney for Chauvin tried to paint the pleas of the dozen or so witnesses as a 'threatening mob' during the trial. That failed because there was recorded evidence they never physically tried to intervene, likely because they know how wrong that could have gone for everyone.
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See my last comment!! I saw the video.
 
In the climate of those days if any civillian had physically intervened Chauvin and his crew would have sent out a call for backup and in the heat of the moment the new to the scene officers would have perceived people interfering with officers, and the strength of evidence against the first 4 would be compromised.

I totally understand your feelings on the matter and certainly can not swear i would have refrained from getting more in their faces about it even tho rationally i believe the bystanders acted sensibly.

And BTW the young woman who's film not only resulted in a trial but was a big part of the conviction, has talked about feeling guilty that 'all' she did was film it. I suspect many those bystanders feel the same but were realistic enough to know it would have escalated the violence at the scene and given credence to the fairy tale defense that was spun. Had the scene devolved into a battle between police and civillian witnesses, their testimony would have been easier for a jury to dismiss.
 
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hollydolly said:
A jury has found three fired Minneapolis police officers guilty of violating George Floyd's civil rights resulting in his death on federal charges.

The jury's guilty verdicts came after two days of deliberations in the case against Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane. Federal civil rights violations that result in death are punishable by up to life in prison or even death, but those sentences are extremely rare, and federal sentencing guidelines suggest the officers will receive much less upon conviction.

The former officers are charged with depriving Floyd of his right to medical care when fellow Officer Derek Chauvin pressed his knee into the 46-year-old black man's neck for 9 1/2 minutes.

Kueng and Thao were also found guilty of failing to intervene to stop Chauvin during the May 25, 2020, videotaped killing that triggered protests worldwide and a reexamination of racism and policing. Thao held back bystanders. Kueng and Lane helped restrain Floyd.

Lane, Kueng and Thao have been freed on bond until a separate trial in June on state charges alleging that they aided and abetted murder and manslaughter.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10545879/Jury-meet-2nd-day-trial-cops-Floyd-killing.html
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Well, at least it's a diverse group of accomplices to murder.
 
feywon said:
In the climate of those days if any civillian had physically intervened Chauvin and his crew would have sent out a call for backup and in the heat of the moment the new to the scene officers would have perceived people interfering with officers, and the strength of evidence against the first 4 would be compromised.

I totally understand your feelings on the matter and certainly can not swear i would have refrained from getting more in their faces about it even tho rationally i believe the bystanders acted sensibly.

And BTW the young woman who's film not only resulted in a trial but was a big part of the conviction, has talked about feeling guilty that 'all' she did was film it. I suspect many those bystanders feel the same but were realistic enough to know it would have escalated th?e violence at the scene and given credence to the fairy tale defense that was spun. Had the scene devolved into a battle between police and civillian witnesses, their testimony would have been easier for a jury to dismiss.
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The police might have shot her had she tried to interfere.
 
When police are taking down a suspect, that is not the time to physically intervene. The cops don't need an idiot getting involved. I have to say the three policemen weren't just "standing around", they were watching a man being strangled. That is a horrible difference. I'll buy that job of a cop is stressful, and they have to make snap decisions, which can come back to bite them. Yet, when you examine this incident,, it resembles more a drunken bar fight, than a professional police intervention.
 
win231 said:
When these types of officers are determined to kill & maim, anyone will do.
They'll be very eager to teach anyone who interferes, a lesson.
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They also tend to have typical bully type personalities. They prey on those with little power: POC, homeless, mentally impaired. Often if their victim is white we don't hear much about the case either because there is no-one to demand justice for the person or because the family takes a cash settlement deal that includes stipulation they not talk publicly about the incident.

My autistic grandson is entering his teens. He's high functioning and somewhat fierce in his anti-racism. My conservative in some ways son acknowledges he fears our boy encountering a Chauvin type officer as much as i do! He might try to intervene if witnessing such an incident.

Let me be clear, i know there are many good officers out there, but 'excessive force' is often sanctioned top-down in some depts and the difficulties the good ones face in trying to report and purge bad ones from their ranks are many. More than once an officer that tried to stop excessive force has been harrassed, hounded, fired. But of course, we would hope they keep trying, else our justice system is a sham.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
When police are taking down a suspect, that is not the time to physically intervene. The cops don't need an idiot getting involved. I have to say the three policemen weren't just "standing around", they were watching a man being strangled. That is a horrible difference. I'll buy that job of a cop is stressful, and they have to make snap decisions, which can come back to bite them. Yet, when you examine this incident,, it resembles more a drunken bar fight, than a professional police intervention.
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'Bar fight' apt considering Chauvin moonlighted as security at the same club Floyd worked at, and they argued over Chauvin's excessive force with customers.
 

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