Time machines and how we use them?

Here some other ideas of time??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...gests-past-present-future-exist-universe.html


now it's getting real interesting - but for us mere humans it's sleep; wake; work; play and then sleep again! My only problem is who do I sleep with each night? :dunno:


I like the idea of the past;present and future all existing together BUT HOW do I get in touch with my past AND have a quick peep into the future??

"temporary scattered about " sounds about right - we are aren't we?
 

well I've been having the time of my life 'down here' in the southern hemisphere and if you attempted to walk down here you wouldn't drop off - because me old mate gravity is always hanging around - Newton found that out when the apple fell sort of? well all these astrophysicists are either all mates together or hate each other guts but here is one I came across or rather watched the other day on Tv. His name is Carlo Rovelli and even if we don't know him those other guys will. He has written quite a few books but his latest is all about time

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/apr/14/elastic-concept-order-of-time-carlo-rovelli

I won't bore you with trying to pretend I understand what he is saying but he is a very animated character and looks wickedly funny like an old uncle that likes playing tricks on his nephews!

I watched him on our Tv a few days ago but not sure whether you can access this but lets give it ago - you will see him across time being interviewed in some studio by our guy in our studios!!

[video]https://iview.abc.net.au/show/matter-of-fact-with-stan-grant[/video] - his interview is about half way through

hope it works. he was saying similar things to the other guys - my in my book they are all guesses and could be completely wrong!

he doesn't believe we can go back in time [that's a shame but we could mess things up heh - like interfering with ya own birth] but does believe we can go into the future.

but whatever they are saying the old professors are finished and we are in the hands of the new ones!

I can remember me mates years back as we sat having a pint or two or three saying "everyone got time for one last one" oh dear how d'ya figure that one out?
 
I have discovered an anomaly of time - the closer I approach the grave, the more time I seem to have.
I no longer have to rush anything and I happily allow people to move ahead of me in a queue at the supermarket because I have lots of time to spare and younger people seem to be so lacking in time.

Unlike young mothers, I have time to think, to stop what I am doing to appreciate some exquisite piece of music on the radio or to look at the evening sky and greet a planet or two. Age definitely has its compensations when it comes to time.
 

Warrigal said:
I have discovered an anomaly of time - the closer I approach the grave, the more time I seem to have.
I no longer have to rush anything and I happily allow people to move ahead of me in a queue at the supermarket because I have lots of time to spare and younger people seem to be so lacking in time.

Unlike young mothers, I have time to think, to stop what I am doing to appreciate some exquisite piece of music on the radio or to look at the evening sky and greet a planet or two. Age definitely has its compensations when it comes to time.
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heh Warrigal I like that idea of us oldies not needing to rush - mind you for some of us it is just not physically possible. But the concept of 'stopping to smell the roses' is good. I guess in our younger days everything seemed to be needed to be done at break neck speed - just to pack in as much fun as possible - the phrase "i've had a fun packed day but I'm dog tired now " comes to mind.

Mind you the concept of oldies rushing about brings to mind ' we are just rushing quicker to the grave"! seems we've been rushing about for the first two thirds of our life and slowing down for the last third?

there may be miniscular difference in time between a mountain top and a plain but so what - it certainly doesn't seem to affect us personally. And I think this idea of synchronizing our clocks and watches around the world to fit in with what is really happening in your neck of the woods and not mine is important. Me ringing a friend from here across to the other side of the world would give us both a rude awakening!

sometimes these astrophycists can get a bit carried away - we just have to get on with living our lives as best we can as some have indicated here already - knowing the time exactly is relative to your life style and whether you can just live by the sun and the moon and the seasons - sounds neat to me!
 
When did time begin? Science says time and space can't be nailed down as to when they began after the start of the universe. So, what does this mean? Every watch and clock is wrong.:wow:
 
yep they're always a minute or two out anyway yeh?? how about " well I was only 10 minutes late" - is there such a thing as 'late' - it's just relative. I live and work among Indigenous communities in OZ - Now time to Indigenous people is something else all together - I would make an appointment to see them say at 10am tomorrow and they would turn up at 2pm. Lazy NO ; confused NO ; no watch NO - they just got on with their day and an appointment at 10am next day was just NEXT DAY anytime that fitted into THEIR day - could get a bit confusing but ya just learned to work around it!!
 
Lara said:
That's right, Falcon. Whether your view of the sunrise and sunset are blocked or not, or whether you have a watch or not, it still happens, since the beginning of creation. God set time in motion:

Genesis 1:1-31

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was

hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the

darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. ...

No sense in overthinking it.
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And God said "I think these damn dinosaurs are way too big".
 
the sun rises and falls as does the moon - but that is not "time" it's celestial movement - movement is movement - we sometimes attach 'time' to it - but it's not 'time' - we've just attached a watch to it!
 
I made a couple posters along those broken lines


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Gary O' said:
I made a couple posters along those broken lines


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spot on Gary - and for me it keeps coming back to Buddhist themes - the past is no longer present and the future will maybe become the present but all we have NOW in our waking to sleep time is the present - so enjoy it and along the way try to make others enjoy it too!

the buddhists say - any bad deeds or thoughts will accrue karma points - the old testament says [somwhere] "vegeance is mine sayeth the Lord" - meaning ? - we cannot and should not be seek vengeance - the Lord will deal with it ?

I always chuckle when I encounter friends socially and we're chatting and then they say "oh look at the time - I must dash - I'm late" - yea you'll be late when theY last close the pearly gates like that! BUT we have designed our world to run "like clockwork" and our entire being [until you get to Gary's stage] is controlled by the 'time machine' - if you're late for work - you can get sacked - if you're late for school you WILL get scolded - if your late for weddings or funerals - it is frowned upon. the only way to escape is to remove yourself to a safe place of sanctuary and just follow the sunset; sunrise and the seasons - that's all there is really!
 
gumbud said:
spot on Gary - and for me it keeps coming back to Buddhist themes - the past is no longer present and the future will maybe become the present but all we have NOW in our waking to sleep time is the present - so enjoy it and along the way try to make others enjoy it too!

the buddhists say - any bad deeds or thoughts will accrue karma points - the old testament says [somwhere] "vegeance is mine sayeth the Lord" - meaning ? - we cannot and should not be seek vengeance - the Lord will deal with it ?

I always chuckle when I encounter friends socially and we're chatting and then they say "oh look at the time - I must dash - I'm late" - yea you'll be late when theY last close the pearly gates like that! BUT we have designed our world to run "like clockwork" and our entire being [until you get to Gary's stage] is controlled by the 'time machine' - if you're late for work - you can get sacked - if you're late for school you WILL get scolded - if your late for weddings or funerals - it is frowned upon. the only way to escape is to remove yourself to a safe place of sanctuary and just follow the sunset; sunrise and the seasons - that's all there is really!
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My brotha

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Seeker said:
As long as I am responsible for anyone else other than myself time will always control me.
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as long as you realize that 'time' as we know and use it is an artificial construct that we have tried to link to the seasons etc but as long as you realize you are being controlled by AI!!
 
gumbud said:
as long as you realize that 'time' as we know and use it is an artificial construct that we have tried to link to the seasons etc but as long as you realize you are being controlled by AI!!
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I'm slow...so school me on what is artificial about having to be somewhere at a specific time. I may be totally misunderstanding the concept.

So forgive me in advance....
 
no need to be sarcastic Seeker! - I 'understand' your need to keep a timetable of events and be somewhere at a specific time - all I am suggesting is that 'time' as we understand and use it is artificial and we have created our artificial, mechanical and cyber world by using our own invention called ' a clock' which means to us time. However in my view as I have explained previously time is artificial - the sun hasn't made time nether the moon - so what you have on your wrist an artificially intelligent mechanism - thus my statement - do you understand the concept now?

ps: I have no need to forgive you - you have not committed any crime against me and even if you did I have the choice to either forgive you or not forgive or rather more accurately 'not needing to forgive you' we're nearly into the paradigm of theological science here!
 
I've always been fascinated with time. Time is strange. We live in the now. It's what's happening at an instant. When you live in "now", there is no past, or future-only now. Yet, we have a "past" and will have a "future". It gets weird. like when you get into Einstein's space time, which leaves me 'relatively' lost.
 
gumbud said:
no need to be sarcastic Seeker! - I 'understand' your need to keep a timetable of events and be somewhere at a specific time - all I am suggesting is that 'time' as we understand and use it is artificial and we have created our artificial, mechanical and cyber world by using our own invention called ' a clock' which means to us time. However in my view as I have explained previously time is artificial - the sun hasn't made time nether the moon - so what you have on your wrist an artificially intelligent mechanism - thus my statement - do you understand the concept now?

ps: I have no need to forgive you - you have not committed any crime against me and even if you did I have the choice to either forgive you or not forgive or rather more accurately 'not needing to forgive you' we're nearly into the paradigm of theological science here!
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I wasn't being sarcastic so if you perceived it to be..forgive me.

It is your choice to either do or don't..It is my choice to ask.(It's just in my nature)

I truly do not understand the paradigm of theological science..what can I say?

I guess I was just asking for it in a simpler explanation.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I've always been fascinated with time. Time is strange. We live in the now. It's what's happening at an instant. When you live in "now", there is no past, or future-only now. Yet, we have a "past" and will have a "future". It gets weird. like when you get into Einstein's space time, which leaves me 'relatively' lost.
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well we 'live' in what we call 'now' - we can attempt to prove we had a past by the use of letters; photos; tapes and memories etc but our existence has been a continuum from our birth to our demise - we can longer access the past physically; or talk to anyone from the past who no longer lives. Now as I think back to my family and past friends it all becomes rather sad - they are no longer available but once I hugged them and talked to them frequently. Yes we did have 'past' experiences and we call it 'in the past' but that's IMO because we do not understand it really and cannot use a word or phrase that is more accurate than 'the past' - it seems so perfunctory in a way?

some have said that the past and present and future are all together - on a same continuum - we just move from on to the other but in only one direction! Gary can you remember another link I started about time being on the same continuum?? ta

oh here's one link but heavy going! not for the faint hearted https://www.space.com/21675-time-travel.html

basically what I think the scientists are saying is "we think we know all about it but we may be totally wrong " - so the jury is still out. We do know we've had a past but can't get it back - we do experience the present - here and now - but the future is in many ways unknown - we may try to predict it and second guess it but we cannot be that accurate. That why many buddhist advocates say " live only for the present and put everything good into it you can"
 
When did time start? Some hold that before the Big Bang there was nothing. The so-called "Big Bang" question will become clearer with LISA. It will form a giant triangle of satellites three million miles part. Any "gravity wave" from the Big Bang will giggle the sensors changing the laser beams then the sensors will record the frequency and characteristics of the disturbance. This will permit scientists to get within a billionth of a second of the Big Bang. Cool eh? But it is still not the actual event yet it will be of great value.
 

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Seeker said:
I wasn't being sarcastic so if you perceived it to be..forgive me.

It is your choice to either do or don't..It is my choice to ask.(It's just in my nature)

I truly do not understand the paradigm of theological science..what can I say?

I guess I was just asking for it in a simpler explanation.
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yes sometimes words on the screen come over differently without emoticons than they were expressed or intended in the flesh! I always try in my own way to make it as simple as I can. As we have little or no real understanding of what the past, present and future really means then we are left IMO with needing to create an "artificial world" that measures night; morning ; afternoon and evening with the use of a chronometer called a watch - so my interpretation of this whole concept of TIME is that we poorly understand it and so we need to live within certain parameters that WE understand as time. However this does not mean it's true or real - is it useful - yes I would say - it does enable us to 'work through' our daily lives! but have a read of the attachment I posted on fuzzybuzzy reply I made if you're interested. It a very interesting article and explains quite a lot about time and what it really is or could be - but it does need reading slowly and frequently - fascinating but hard to take in?
 
Still, always thinking about this time continuum.

Let’s assume there is no ‘past’ that’s only a name we use for some other part of our present [ the part we cannot access any longer in certain ways unless we use photos or memory or recordings etc ] then there is the present – even the Buddhist believe in that! – I can say as soon as I awake from my slumbers I am in the present, in fact if I had filmed myself all night as I slept and then watched it back I could say I was viewing ‘my present right?

So through all of my waking moments, I can recognize my present through my senses. Even when I have a few naps I am still in the present – right? So as long as I can taste; smell; see; hear ; touch and balance then I know I am present?

The future is the tricky one, because we can think about how it MIGHT be or how we would LIKE it to be but we cannot at present capture it with say a camera or sound recording to show it actually happening already! So I would argue that there is no future – it is just a dreamlike conscript that was born from human imagination and is just a dream.

I will continue to debate that the future is none existent. It is just the present that hasn’t been arrived [we can’t do everything in all one go!] at yet. You could claim that tomorrow is in fact the future. But unless you can show it to me NOW I can still claim it is non-existent? As you awake on any morn and consider yourself in a new day you are still in the present – never left it or lost it. We have simple given names to our time continuum. Today, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, last year etc – this might make life convenient but doesn’t prove there is what we traditionally recognize as a past and a future.

I will suggest that all there is, is a present and we just keep doing things, waking, sleeping , being born , dying but it is a ‘present continuum’ As we age and ‘die’ others watch these events and bury us and moan us still in their ‘present and ours too – we have lost life for sure but are still in the present – just a different form – as our bodies decay – we are still in the present – as we turn to dust we are still in the present – as our molecules join other molecules in the universe we are still in the present. All or ‘past’ and ‘ present’ and ‘future’ forms are all really in the present. Amen!!

I think I’ve put it a bit simpler than those referenced scientific papers. Eysenck move over baby!

ps: point of clarification: As long as I am responsible for anyone else other than myself time will always control me. posted by seeker.

my apologizes - I was wandering about in the stratosphere and then suddenly pulled back down by your statement of reality as it does apply to many of us today, any day.

picking kids up from the school bus; collecting granny from the day care centre ; attending for a new job interview - yes we are controlled by what we recognize as time.

but I think we found ourselves talking at cross purposes - you the necessities of daily life - me the wonders of the universe? the introduction of one to the other can cause a spark as they don't seem to match??
 
fmdog44 said:
Since time can be manipulated how relevant are the terms past and present and future?
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exactly "by jove Holmes I think you've got it"!!!

true Victor - I think they are all espousing their own theories and really just guessing possible at a few higher decibels than we can - BUT still guessing - that's why we can and should all pitch in - one of US could make the break through and win a nobel prize!!
 

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