UK bans sale of cigarettes to future generations.
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hollydolly
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I rarely ever see any smoking now in movies...but as well as movies..tv shows are just awful for showing people drinking alochol all the time...! It's diabolical. They walk in the door from work... pour a large spirit... they go into the kitchen..reward themselves with a glass or 2 of wine.. go into the bath, take a glass of wine or whisky... down to dinner.. more alcohol... just terrible... and then they go out driving to somewhere.. maybe a bar and drink..who the heck does that except alcoholics?
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VaughanJB
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Not so difficult. We are headed to a total ban. This is just another step. Ban these people, and by the time it truly matters, bring in more controls. This is a step along the way, that's all.
My wife has finally migrated to a vape. I hate to admit it, but pricing was the main reason. So I guess the taxation worked (eventually). It's a terrible habit, but I have never been able to get my wife to stop.
Amen. I will never understand people who refuse to wear a seat belt or crash helmet. Although their number reduces annually.
Let me ask you this - if you could stop everyone dying while in service to their country, would you do it? That's the general idea.
Think of it this way - if you bang your head against a wall (smoking), eventually you'll get brain damaged or die. Is it a good move for governments to try and stop people banging their head against the wall?
It's difficult for me to deny that I grew up in an age where smoking wasn't seem are normal, and even cool. I mean movies, music, and commercials, all glorified smoking.
Both are recognized problems, and both are subject to extensive legislation. In the case of obesity, not enough legislation!!
That would depend on your definition of huge. It's around £7bn a year right now. Sounds a lot. But it's 0.6% of tax income, which isn't very much at all. Health costs to the nation is estimated at £43bn. So yeah, the math ain't mathing. Besides, they also get tax from vaping.
WOLF ANGEL
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The issue of smoking for me has been somewhat a curiousity of heart and head.
There was a time when smoking was actively encouraged and freely advertised.
It was only when the health issues and consequence emerged that the practice became tabboo - but by that time the 'older' generation were hooked on the feeling.
The hiking up taxes was a bit of buy-off to supplement the N.H.S. Health - though that does not seem to have helped.
The banning of buying cigarettes will not make a difference if the child is in the company of those who do - only for the action of being a customer will change.
I think that it was the banning of smoking killed both the pub trade and that of social interaction., but there is another aspect to consider that being the element of control,
- and I'm unsure how I feel about that.
There was a time when smoking was actively encouraged and freely advertised.
It was only when the health issues and consequence emerged that the practice became tabboo - but by that time the 'older' generation were hooked on the feeling.
The hiking up taxes was a bit of buy-off to supplement the N.H.S. Health - though that does not seem to have helped.
The banning of buying cigarettes will not make a difference if the child is in the company of those who do - only for the action of being a customer will change.
I think that it was the banning of smoking killed both the pub trade and that of social interaction., but there is another aspect to consider that being the element of control,
- and I'm unsure how I feel about that.
VaughanJB
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You touch on a couple of subjects.
I don't think it's a "feeling". As a non-smoker married to a smoker, I know pretty well that it's an ADDICTION. Nicotine is highly addictive, and it's very difficult to give up. A lot of people smoke due to their addiction (which, from a purely capitalist perspective, is a great thing!).
The pub trade? You know, I think people - especially those in the UK - very much under-estimate the impact of the death of the great British pub. The pub was, at one time, the great arbiter. People grew up going to their local pub. It was a center of the community. Act out, and everyone knew it. In fact - ultimately - you were brought into line with community standards through pubs.
The British pub brought people together, was a place where ideas were debated (argued) and ideas were shared. But what killed it was - you know - taxation. Successive governments taxes the hell out of alcohol, which had a knock on effect of killing pubs. Social drinking - drinking in groups at a neighborhood hub - was swapped for drinking at home, sometimes alone. Neighborhood governance (through example) gave way to what we have today.
The smoking ban had an effect, for sure. But I think it was taxation that truly killed the pub.
By the way - having lived extensively in both the UK and the US - there is no real pub culture in the US. Approximations? Perhaps. But no real pubs.
George1959
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In fact. And who guarantees, that older friends or even the parents don't buy cigarettes for the younger ones? This is an idiotic law.
Jeni
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In an article I read yesterday a few towns in Massachusetts have had these bans regarding sales of tobacco for a while now.
Similar to the UK.
Some have no sales of tobacco products/ vapes but still have smoking areas as people just buy all their items in another town over. It did not end use, just transferred the sales tax and such to another city. In these towns it is not illegal to use or have items just cannot buy them there. not sure if that is accomplishing much other than driving sales of other products as well outside the town. if someone had to drive to another town to buy smokes why not do all or any other shopping, they have in other town as well.
I hope all these people who passed this do not dislocate their shoulders patting themselves on the back.
Similar to the UK.
Some have no sales of tobacco products/ vapes but still have smoking areas as people just buy all their items in another town over. It did not end use, just transferred the sales tax and such to another city. In these towns it is not illegal to use or have items just cannot buy them there. not sure if that is accomplishing much other than driving sales of other products as well outside the town. if someone had to drive to another town to buy smokes why not do all or any other shopping, they have in other town as well.
Silly feel-good rules/ laws a sort of "look we are making an effort" type thing...
I hope all these people who passed this do not dislocate their shoulders patting themselves on the back.
Messy
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Vape? Some say now that that's more dangerous than smoking. Because of all this anti cigarettes stuff kids here now vape or use snuff. If she can't stop, can't she try patches? They are expensive, but you don't need em very long. You get the nicotin in your blood via your skin. After a few months it started to itch like a bee sting and I was like: Come on. This is crazy. I'm not addicted to bee stings. So then I could stop with them.
MACKTEXAS
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In 1988, the company I was working for allowed smoking only in one section of the company cafeteria. Then they closed that section, and required smokers to go outside on the patio. I well recall at that time hearing news stories that the United States would be a "smoke free" nation by the year 2000. As we know, it's 26 years later now.
Messy
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1988? In 1998 they were just smoking behind their screen in the place where I work and the whole bunch sat in one big room. Ashtray next to their keyboard. Then banned to the balcony.
Murrmurr
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It's obvious that Big Tobacco's influential millions is why the US isn't a smoke free nation.
Paladin1950
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Over the years I heard, so many times that Camel cigarettes were the strongest cigarettes to smoke. I've seen that ad before and always laugh at it.AND NOW A WORD FROM OUR OTHER SPONSOR...
hollydolly
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you smoke tho' don't you Frank ?.. why do you smoke..? I'm not judgng you, just interetsed
JustDave
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I used to hang out in a bar in Montana that had been a town institution since about 1920. It hadn't been redecorated since it was started and owned by one man, who had sold it to a younger man by the time I was old enough to drink. Similar old advertising posters like those posted by Time Waits for No Man, still adorned the walls from an earlier era. I remember one poster showing a baseball player that read,
JustDave
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I pointed out this out in a smoke filled AA meeting room, and was met by disgruntled objections. Most of the members had stopped drinking, at least during that time, but almost all of them still smoked.
Time Waits 4 No Man
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Murrmurr
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Yes, I do. A pack-a-day for almost 50yrs.
After that big ol' fall, and the surgeries and therapies and wheelchairs coming in and out of my life since, I've been in constant pain, and as the pain has gradually worsened over the years, the stress and frustration and general misery it causes has gradually increased.
I think if I didn't smoke, I'd have ended myself way before now. I just really enjoy smoking. But my lung scans look good every year, I don't hack and cough, wheeze, or get short-of-breath - I don't have any trouble breathing, and I don't know why.
You mentioned an elderly relative earlier who smoked until he was in his 90s and never had any related health problems; maybe some people can tolerate it better than others, idk. It's baffling.