Well, we have two very prominent historical examples, Napoleon and Hitler. However, one very important thing to keep in mind is that neither of them had the help of the United States. In fact, it was the United States helping Russia with logistics that provided it with the ability to turn the tide so easily against the Nazis. Now that same superpower is arming Ukraine.
Ukraine dared to invade Russia!
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VaughanJB
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He isn't the first despot, and won't be the last. If he decides to end the world I don't know there's much that can be done about it.
One thing that especially irks me is how the North Korean government is so willing, or perhaps even eager, to send its own people to kill and die on behalf of Puntin's cause. Why is it any of their business? Imagine Russia invading North Korea and the Ukrainians eagerly volunteering to send troops to help him kill Koreans. SMH!
Paco Dennis
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Pretty much for the same reasons we are sending billions of dollars to arm and train the Ukrainians. East vs. West thing.?
It's not East v. West.
Timewise 60+
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Now that the Ukrainians have jumped into Russia, Russia will respond!
The response will be swift and deadly, and it will end the conflict! Ukrainian leadership must have been crazy to take on the 'Bear'! The USA will not respond other than talking about it and sending more weapons to Ukraine.
The response will be swift and deadly, and it will end the conflict! Ukrainian leadership must have been crazy to take on the 'Bear'! The USA will not respond other than talking about it and sending more weapons to Ukraine.
The only thing that keeps Putin sending in more troops is his pride. He obviously dreads losing face after promising a quick victory. The problem is that Vlad has already lost a significant portion of his determined face, and faces the danger of losing even greater portions of his fanatically determined face if he continues to insist. In order to prevent that, it's far wiser to just humbly do an an about face and go home.
It's a bit late for the swift response, now let's see how deadly it's going to be.
ElCastor
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Russia set the precedence by seizing large pieces of Ukraine. One theory I’ve heard is that in an ultimate settlement Ukraine would want to trade land for land. I would be delighted if that ever happens, but I find it hard to believe it will, at least in our lifetimes.
Warrigal
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Zelinsky has been visiting world leaders requesting further support. Australia has little to offer but did send our bushmaster armoured personnel vehicles which proved very useful. So useful in fact that they asked for, and received more bushmasters. We have now agreed to send almost all of our Abrams tanks. They are soon to be replaced here with more modern versions.
I hope they will prove useful for the Ukrainian fighters.
Australia is not part of NATO. If the NATO signatories all dig a bit deeper to support the Ukrainians the tide of the Russian aggression might just be turned back.
I hope they will prove useful for the Ukrainian fighters.
Australia is not part of NATO. If the NATO signatories all dig a bit deeper to support the Ukrainians the tide of the Russian aggression might just be turned back.
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Warrigal
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Not something that is talked about very much but Australia has also provided military personnel to join the international training program in UK. This program, known as Operation Kudu, began in 2022 to give Ukrainian soldiers the skills they need to equip them on the battlefield.
Australia to help train Ukrainian forces in fight against Russia, send more Bushmaster vehicles
Apparently we have also donated medical supplies, air defence missiles and antitank weapons.
Total contribution is now $1.3 billion.
Australia to help train Ukrainian forces in fight against Russia, send more Bushmaster vehicles
Apparently we have also donated medical supplies, air defence missiles and antitank weapons.
Total contribution is now $1.3 billion.
jimintoronto
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The Canadian Forces are also very much involved in the training of Ukranian soldiers in the UK. We are also in Latvia, where NATO has a infantry and armor training school for Ukranian soldiers. Canada has sent 16,000 artillery rounds for the 155 mm artillery guns, plus 300,000 field ration meals, and 30,000 sets of armour vests and helmets. About a thousand Canadian civilian volunteers are fighting with the Ukranian forces now. About 20 Canadians have been killed in the fighting in Ukraine. JIM.
Most other normal-minded people would also be delighted. However, and unfortunately, Putin doesn't seem amenable to resolutions involving any indication of a mission failure.
Unfortunately, Putin is receiving help from Iran, North Korea, and China.
gruntlabor
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I am sorry for the loss of life of Canadians.
Now that North Koreans are involved, I guess we can expect an increase of mercenaries from NATO and other countries opposing Putin's invasion. Interestingly, Putin is now acting as an intermediary between Israel and Iran attempting to de-escalate tensions.
ElCastor
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Unfortunately, North Korea is in possession of nuclear weapons and Iran is suspected of the same. Israel is known to have a large stockpile. Ukraine is an unending threat to peace, but God forbid a nuclear war in the Middle East.
Tazx
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I see people are confused again...if you read archived news articles-2 regions in Ukraine had elections. They voted 80-90 percent to join Russia-as they were Russia at one time, kept the culture, the belief and thought that they were Russia. So they voted to leave Ukraine.
Ukraine did not like that, so Ukraine invaded the -democratically elected choice to leave- areas. Ukraine actually started this whole mess because they couldn't accept that 2 large regions wanted to leave.
Ukraine attacked these regions, Russia responded. Now Russia is the aggressor? How does anyone come to that conclusion?
If any of you think Russia is hurting in any way, you are delusional. Ukraine has lost about a Million civy and military deaths, while Russia maybe 10 to 11k. If you want to believe the CNN or other news, go ahead. But do you notice that no military advisors/experts, generals have come out saying anything. Because they know the truth.
Here where we are, there is a Nato officer from Portugal posted here. We see him regularly at the gym and around town. He says the whole thing is a joke. Ukraine would be gone in a day if Russia wanted to. Russia has yet to use regular forces, only reserves. And Russia is using old antiquated equipment it can afford to lose or wants to lose. Don't you think destroyed brand new high tech equip would be all over cnn/bbc etc? Anyone see the brand new tanks or any high tech SU fighters or bombers destroyed? No. Because they dont need them.
A little bit of logic and common sense, and you will see the truth.
As for the Canadian mercs in Ukraine, hey money talks I guess. Cause if they are doing it for a statement, then their stupid. Canada is a nightmare right now. Go home and stand up for your own country. Tyranical Turd-oh has taken a once mighty country and turned it into a laughing stock.
In my opinion anyone going to these places-Israel/Gaza Russia/Ukraine is insane. These are corporate and political wars. I speak from experience. Iraq and Afghanistan were pure and utter lies and massacres of the country by the political foolers! What I saw on the ground in Afghan and Iraq were complete fabrication compared to the truth.
Ukraine did not like that, so Ukraine invaded the -democratically elected choice to leave- areas. Ukraine actually started this whole mess because they couldn't accept that 2 large regions wanted to leave.
Ukraine attacked these regions, Russia responded. Now Russia is the aggressor? How does anyone come to that conclusion?
If any of you think Russia is hurting in any way, you are delusional. Ukraine has lost about a Million civy and military deaths, while Russia maybe 10 to 11k. If you want to believe the CNN or other news, go ahead. But do you notice that no military advisors/experts, generals have come out saying anything. Because they know the truth.
Here where we are, there is a Nato officer from Portugal posted here. We see him regularly at the gym and around town. He says the whole thing is a joke. Ukraine would be gone in a day if Russia wanted to. Russia has yet to use regular forces, only reserves. And Russia is using old antiquated equipment it can afford to lose or wants to lose. Don't you think destroyed brand new high tech equip would be all over cnn/bbc etc? Anyone see the brand new tanks or any high tech SU fighters or bombers destroyed? No. Because they dont need them.
A little bit of logic and common sense, and you will see the truth.
As for the Canadian mercs in Ukraine, hey money talks I guess. Cause if they are doing it for a statement, then their stupid. Canada is a nightmare right now. Go home and stand up for your own country. Tyranical Turd-oh has taken a once mighty country and turned it into a laughing stock.
In my opinion anyone going to these places-Israel/Gaza Russia/Ukraine is insane. These are corporate and political wars. I speak from experience. Iraq and Afghanistan were pure and utter lies and massacres of the country by the political foolers! What I saw on the ground in Afghan and Iraq were complete fabrication compared to the truth.
VaughanJB
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Well, it's not uncommon. Take the weapons and money the US are sending Israel. It's a web of diplomatic/philosophical/strategic ties that keep it going. For sure, North Korea would be getting something out of it - and by "North Korea", I mean their leaders not the people. Alliances are forged all the time. Be it influence, money, or more likely resources.
Not that I can make much sense of North Korea, it seems to be that such a country and leadership model is simply incredible on 2024. They strike me as more extreme than Russia and China.
VaughanJB
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Not sure this statement holds up. For example, look at how many T-90 tanks Russia have been lost. Also the Okhotnik drone, Sosna-U thermal imagers. Still, I'd say that if high tech weapons were being captured, for the most part it WOULDN'T be on the news - why tip your hat? A Tu-22M3 long-range strategic bomber was destroyed in April too.
Of course, it depends what one means by "high tech", and it also stands to reason that most of what is being used is well tried and tested tech. Also, the loss of 9000 armored combat vehicles isn't insignificant, even if it might not qualify as "high tech".
VaughanJB
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Sadly - Yes. The Israeli war started when, 1948?!? Military intervention won't resolve it. If it could, it would have by now.
Tazx
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Well, there were a lot of experiences, but the 2 most prolific examples of lies/deceit was in Afghanistan, seeing blacked out cargo planes arrive at 0200, load up pallets of poppies (opium) and take off without shutting down the engine. Which in itself is not proper procedure due to safety rules, unless live combat zone stipulates a reason for it. (Cargo planes do not fly into active combat zones, ever in my experience) Which again on a secured base with lots of tech (night vision/infrared etc) guards every 50 ft, satellite cover overhead, is a joke. No danger for that aircraft. The plane was unmarked, graphite no tail markings or numbered.
We all knew it was CIA plane. They did this a lot. It was guarded by private contractors, so that in itself says a lot. No flight logs, no cargo logs, no record of that aircraft landing or taking off. Which to many of us screamed drug trafficking. Many knew, people spoke out, but 'no one saw anything of interest' according to HQ. Lol.
Then it was quite the norm for certain forces to 'shoot up' an entire village or complex trying to get 1 man, or a small group, while disregarding the hundred or more Afghans there just trying to survive. Won't say who...
Many innocent people died for no reason other than inadequate leadership and political leaders. See the videos that sent the US soldier to prison. Lies, lies and more lies. Latest numbers I heard was 3500 to 7k US soldiers died there, 152 Canadians, hundreds of other nations soldiers as well.
And what did this accomplish? Nothing. Not a dam thing. Even to the unintelligent you could see Afghanistan was a lie. No way in h e double toothpicks was that region ever a threat. No fancy camps or training facilities, no tech, no grand plans, no leadership with grandiose ideas, nothing. The caves we cleared were sleeping quarters, kitchen areas, yes meeting places, but If any country thinks that anything we found there or the individuals we arrested or terminated were a threat to anyone let alone the US, well I got a bridge in Fiji to sell you!
I Iraq my unit was attached to a green beret unit searching for WMD's. Several teams were searching over the years. Total find-0, zero, zip, nada, nyet, nein, nothing. We were there when it first started. I tell you Iraq was beautiful. Amazing country, amazing cities, and truly nice people. Was Hussain a nut? Sure. Aren't all dictators. But his people had 1st class schools, hospitals, education and so on. The libraries (we raided by the way) were astonishing.
Many govts essentially looted Iraq to the tune of Billions. Many millions died for nothing. Innocent people were killed for no reason other than political gain and peacocking. Each and every location of WMD's turned out to be wrong, empty or...if we found anything it was mortars, shoulder rockets, and small arms. Nothing big or important. Many times I have seen bigger arsenals at my friends in the US! Lol!
There are many worse things I could tell, but just sitting here thinking out them make me sick. I do not wish anyone to experience these things and pray to God, Allah, Buddha, whomever your deity to stop all conflicts/wars.
Tazx
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Sorry to go on, but not only that, many times on missions we were almost assuredly told to go in heavy all the time. 95 percent of the time, it was not needed. Going in heavy is too shoot first ask questions later. All the units were special forces units of some kind, all were the most highly trained and efficient soldiers. All living on edge all the time. There was almost never a need to go in heavy. We are experts, marksmen, elite...not blunt instruments. Half the time the locals would point us in the right 'direction' if you know what I mean. We could have gone in with sidearms and done the job, never mind heavy and hard.
Also many times we were given wrong 'targets'. Pics or descriptions of farmers, or village elders instead of the enemies. The whole thing reeked of being run by 'weekend paintball warriors' half the time. The soldiers I worked with, in my unit, the brits, Germans, US, were the most professional soldiers I have ever met. Their leadership couldn't run a children's paintball weekend!
Example, a mission out to watch a goat trail pass near the Pakistan border where it was believed 'enemies' came in. Sure, some did, of course. But mostly farmers moving their herds. We found no one on the lists, pics or suspicious activity. But after a few of these excursions, with no results, we were then told that the region and its people would be warned, given advance notice and were told not to use that pass anymore, and if they did they would run the risk of death. As leadership said anyone using it are vulnerable to Helo gunships, spec ops teams or a bombing run. Sick.
So we were on scouting mission near these passes, saw groups coming in, stopped them talked, and found out no one in that region nor the Pakistan region heard anything of this at all. No elders heard anything of the sort. Again...sorry to say but mass murder by Nato. No other way to put it. Lie on purpose to kill people is mass murder in my book. Do this in Canada or the US, you would be dead or go to prison for 200 years. Do it in a war zone, and its a Tuesday.
I served my country and Nato my entire career. Proudly. I would gladly die for any one of the people on this forum in the name of freedom. But...Knowing what I know now, I would be very hesitant to do it again. Sad to say my experience left me with a bitter taste in my mouth about Nato, govts and Military leadership worldwide. That's why It's impossible to believe anything out of Russia/Ukraine, Gaza/Israel. 20 years of seeing the other side of the screen, wakes you to whats playing on it.
ElCastor
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Back in the 20’s in an act of genocide known as the Holodomor Russia strangled, starved, and seized a large portion of Ukraine bordering Russia. 3.9 million UkraInIans died in the process.
How Joseph Stalin Starved Millions in the Ukrainian Famine | HISTORY
It is believed that the current conflict is, or was, the first step in an effort to reestablish the old Soviet Union, an effort that could ultimately involve Nato and might draw US troops into the conflict.