United States and Israel attack Iran Early Saturday Morning

Iran sent a missile into Turkey's airspace, so now there is talk of NATO nations becoming involved. This truly could be the start of WWIII.

ANKARA, March 4 (Reuters) - Turkey said that NATO air defences destroyed ‌an Iranian ballistic missile headed into Turkish airspace on Wednesday, marking the first time the alliance member has been drawn into the Middle East conflict and raising the possibility of a major expansion involving its bloc allies.
Turkey - Iran's neighbour that had sought to mediate U.S.-Iran talks before the air war that began at the weekend - warned "all parties to refrain from actions that would lead to further escalation," suggesting it was not poised to call upon the trans-Atlantic defence bloc for support.
 
Not WW III.

Nobody likes Iran.

Their launches shrink everyday and their underground stockpiles and entrances continue to get blown up.
 

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VaughanJB said:
The world has gone mad. The US is no longer an ally to the West. Trust has been fractured. If MAGA means anything, then Americans should rejoice. In the wider picture, a lot of damage is being done, and decades of diplomacy is being torn asunder.

In Iran, at the time of writing, more than 700 civilians have been killed on this operation. It has cost the US tax payer $31bn thus far. So, in (very) rough terms, $44m for every death.

The rest of the world does, indeed, need to start paying for its only defense. At the same time, sadly, the US needs to be considered as just another self-interested adversary.
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You are absolutely correct! I never thought this would happen here and it’s heartbreaking. I hope we all survive this.
 
Something to consider...

Yes, Iran's military capability is certainly inferior to that of the US and Israel, but suppose their ultimate goal is not to take lives but to take the global economy down? It is certainly being affected. Foreign markets are even more heavily damaged than the US at the present time. If that is their goal, they are achieving it. That is not a "win" for us in this war.
 
seadoug said:
Something to consider...

Yes, Iran's military capability is certainly inferior to that of the US and Israel, but suppose their ultimate goal is not to take lives but to take the global economy down? It is certainly being affected. Foreign markets are even more heavily damaged than the US at the present time. If that is their goal, they are achieving it. That is not a "win" for us in this war.
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Their goal is to killl the West, said an Iranian woman in Holland. As a kid she had to walk over all the flags to school and speak death to all countries.
 
seadoug said:
Something to consider...

Yes, Iran's military capability is certainly inferior to that of the US and Israel, but suppose their ultimate goal is not to take lives but to take the global economy down? It is certainly being affected. Foreign markets are even more heavily damaged than the US at the present time. If that is their goal, they are achieving it. That is not a "win" for us in this war.
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What we are seeing now is mostly the fear of what "if" It is too soon for it to really affect anything. Some price gouging.
Mark my words by this Saturday we will be seeing a lot less missiles and drones launched out of Iran. By that time they will mostly be hiding underground.
It is possible that we will shake things up with the MOAB's....25,000 lbs bombs and some bunker busters. If the people start sending us Lats and Longs on some targets we will be able to knock them out too. By next Saturday we should see them surrender officially.
From there moping things up and getting oil shipments will take a little while. Setting up the new government will be the time-consuming part.
 
Grailhunter57 said:
What we are seeing now is mostly the fear of what "if" It is too soon for it to really affect anything. Some price gouging.
Mark my words by this Saturday we will be seeing a lot less missiles and drones launched out of Iran. By that time they will mostly be hiding underground.
It is possible that we will shake things up with the MOAB's....25,000 lbs bombs and some bunker busters. If the people start sending us Lats and Longs on some targets we will be able to knock them out too. By next Saturday we should see them surrender officially.
From there moping things up and getting oil shipments will take a little while. Setting up the new government will be the time-consuming part.
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From your lips to God's ears. I'll check back over the weekend.
 
Grailhunter57 said:
What we are seeing now is mostly the fear of what "if" It is too soon for it to really affect anything. Some price gouging.
Mark my words by this Saturday we will be seeing a lot less missiles and drones launched out of Iran. By that time they will mostly be hiding underground.
It is possible that we will shake things up with the MOAB's....25,000 lbs bombs and some bunker busters. If the people start sending us Lats and Longs on some targets we will be able to knock them out too. By next Saturday we should see them surrender officially.
From there moping things up and getting oil shipments will take a little while. Setting up the new government will be the time-consuming part.
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You should not forget the insane fanatism of these people. They'd rather die than to choose a better life.
 
Rakaia said:
My son was having a chuckle watching footage off incoming missiles in Bahrein. About 80% of the Bahrein population is Shia and the royal family are Sunni's, so crowds were cheering the incoming missiles. Maybe they do like Iran more than their royal family.
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At the same time there are videos getting out of Iranians on rooftops cheering as the bombs are blowing stuff up in Tehran.

The majority of the populace wants this radical cult out of their country. The massive crowds in the streets continued to grow until the regime machine gunned down about 40,000 unarmed civilians in the streets.
 
Any celebrations may be premature. Mojtaba Khamenei, son of the late Supreme Leader, is the leading candidate to serve as his father's replacement. He is a hardliner with even deeper ties to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps than his father. and many analysts believe that his leadership could lead to even harder and more brutal domestic control.
 
Lawrence00 said:
The majority of the populace wants this radical cult out of their country. The massive crowds in the streets continued to grow until the regime machine gunned down about 40,000 unarmed civilians in the streets.
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I'm not sure that a forced change of the leadership would change the attitude of the country as a whole. Do those who want freedom want to work together and cooperate with non Muslim countries? Or do they still want to create a Muslim world through intimidation?
I do agree with getting rid of Iran's weapons stockpiles and nuclear capability. I don't trust them to use such weapons only defensively.
 
We attack a lot of countries. But I have noticed that we never attack one that has nukes. So it seems to me that if some country wants to avoid being attacked by us they should try to get themselves some nukes.
 
George1959 said:
You should not forget the insane fanatism of these people. They'd rather die than to choose a better life.
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I know all about these people.....I have been fully briefed on these people.....kill their wives and have sex with their sons. No respect for life.....72 virgins to have sex with but do not have to feed or cloth.

You cannot negotiate with these people.....their word means nothing. But they are cowards.....feed a few to the dogs and burn the rest and they will fall in line.
 
Grailhunter57 said:
I know all about these people.....I have been fully briefed on these people.....kill their wives and have sex with their sons. No respect for life.....72 virgins to have sex with but do not have to feed or cloth.

You cannot negotiate with these people.....their word means nothing. But they are cowards.....feed a few to the dogs and burn the rest and they will fall in line.
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Now that is an impressive blend of stereotyping and bigotry.
 
Grailhunter57 said:
Thank you. It is part of their culture and religion. A different set of values.
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I think what you are saying is you recognize what has been in the media for a few decades. Toss in the thousands that were recently murdered by the now dead religious leader. I agree with what you perceive to be true.
 
Knight said:
I think what you are saying is you recognize what has been in the media for a few decades. Toss in the thousands that were recently murdered by the now dead religious leader. I agree with what you perceive to be true.
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What I know is from working and knowing them and anti-terrorist training
I use to be on SSBN's submarines. I was a nuclear missile launcher. Spent some time in United Arab Emirates.....Better Muslims. Their religion and culture is vastly different than ours. Their women are still considered property in most areas.
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