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Sifu, I do see what you are saying, and you are absolutely right !
However, in my way of thinking, that makes those jobs even more important, since they ARE literally a life raft for some older people. I have seen elderly greeters working at a Walmart store, that had to do the job from a wheelchair, and know that it is their way to supplement a meager SS pension.
For several years, I sold newspaper subscriptions at stores from a little kiosk, on commission, to help us survive on my SS pension.
Now, I do surveys, and other online tasks to help out.

No argument there. I realize that these jobs can be the make-it-or-break-it point for many seniors. It's just a shame that they have to do that, after having worked so hard all their lives and being sold the dream of retirement being a wonderland of sitting around sipping margaritas and playing pinochle.

Jobs that pay more than the basic wages found at Walmart or a fast food place are much harder to come by, especially for the handicapped people.
Yes, it would be wonderful if they did pay more than basic wage, but then there would be less of them, since more people would then not try to better themselves with a better paying job. The life-raft people would then have NO life raft jobs.

It may seem a bit odd, but I'm not so much against the minimum wage being paid - I'm against the store offering only part-time work in order to get away from paying benefits.

And the employee collections are not meant to replace health and injury disability insurance, they are to simply help with other expenses the person is unable to properly afford while they are sick.

See my above comment on benefits - the part-timers don't have any.

My brother in law was a lineman, and one day a power pole fell over with him. Even though Workman's Comp paid for his hospital and doctor treatment, he still appreciated the donation that the other linemen took up to help him and his family, which helped to put food on the table while other compensation had not yet kicked in to help with household needs.

My brother was an electronics technician in a sugar refinery, and when his diabetes got to the point where he could no longer do the physical work they required of him (climbing up on vats of sugar, working in 100-degree-plus temps, etc.) they fired him. His union, which he had paid into for years, did nothing to help. He couldn't get unemployment, his medical coverage ended and he never received a helping hand from any of his co-workers.

I'm not sure what the point of that little story was, unless it was to vent a bit and to rant about working for large American companies and their soulless executives.
 

[h=1]Costco, a company that treats their employees right....

Reasons To Love Costco That Have Nothing To Do With Shopping[/h]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/19/reasons-love-costco_n_4275774.html

It's not just the bulk toilet paper and $1.50 hot dog combos. There's more going on here.

1. The company pays a living wage. Costco's CEO and president, Craig Jelinek, has publicly endorsed raising the federal minimum wage to $10.10 an hour, and he takes that to heart. The company's starting pay is $11.50 per hour, and the average employee wage is $21 per hour, not including overtime. Most other big box retailers start their employees at minimum wage.

2. Workers get benefits. About 88 percent of Costco employees have company-sponsored health insurance, according to David Sherwood, Costco's Director of Financial Planning and Investor Relations. "I just think people need to make a living wage with health benefits,” Jelinek told Bloomberg. “It also puts more money back into the economy and creates a healthier country. It’s really that simple.”

3. The CEO makes a reasonable salary. Costco's CEO makes far less than most executives, with a total compensation package of about $4.83 million in 2012. In contrast, Walmart CEO Mike Duke made roughly $19.3 million during the same year. Walmart's CEO earns as much as 796 average employees, according to CNN Money, compared to Costco's CEO making 48 times more than the company's median wage...
 
But the sad truth is that, while jobs like this ARE meant for those new to the workplace, they are actually being filled by mature adults who are scrabbling to survive. There's a big difference.

It isn't a stepping stone for those people - it's a life raft.

I have no problem with a company organizing a collection for an ill employee, unless that illness is due to not having medical coverage (part-time employment, anyone?).

The $1,500 that W-M offers as emergency medical coverage? That's a joke, as anyone who has paid a medical bill for major services could tell you. That might cover the cost of a few tests.

Finally, it's just the irony of a company widely reviled for its employment practices and mistreatment of employees to put out a few buckets advertising charity. It's as if Ebenezer Scrooge were to suddenly start collecting for UNICEF.


You call 'em like you see 'em and obviously I see W-M the same. Life raft is the perfect description. I don't recall ever seeing anyone that would fall under the description of young working there, other than in pharmacy or their other depts. All of those are leased out and not W-M employees.
 

Jackie..you beat me to it. I was going to post about Costco's wage and benefit scale. What's going on with Walmart is greed, pure and simple. How much profit does a company need to earn, how money does a CEO need to make? I wonder if Walmart really thinks that people fall for the insincerity of taking up donations for it's own employees.

It smacks of a king riding through the streets of the slums in a fancy carriage, putting his diamond encrusted hand out the window to throw pennies to starving beggars.

I used to shop at Costco every week, and you can certainly tell the difference between the Costco and Walmart employee's attitudes. Costco has a very efficient store operation and the employees are friendly and willing to help. The high level of job satisfaction is evident. I really miss having a Costco in this neck of the woods.
 
Jackie..you beat me to it. I was going to post about Costco's wage and benefit scale. What's going on with Walmart is greed, pure and simple. How much profit does a company need to earn, how money does a CEO need to make? I wonder if Walmart really thinks that people fall for the insincerity of taking up donations for it's own employees.

It smacks of a king riding through the streets of the slums in a fancy carriage, putting his diamond encrusted hand out the window to throw pennies to starving beggars.

I used to shop at Costco every week, and you can certainly tell the difference between the Costco and Walmart employee's attitudes. Costco has a very efficient store operation and the employees are friendly and willing to help. The high level of job satisfaction is evident. I really miss having a Costco in this neck of the woods.

Yes, I agree, I just wish there were more of them....I have to drive about 40 miles to shop their store.
 
Costco, a company that treats their employees right....

Reasons To Love Costco That Have Nothing To Do With Shopping


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/19/reasons-love-costco_n_4275774.html

It's not just the bulk toilet paper and $1.50 hot dog combos. There's more going on here.

1. The company pays a living wage. Costco's CEO and president, Craig Jelinek, has publicly endorsed raising the federal minimum wage to $10.10 an hour, and he takes that to heart. The company's starting pay is $11.50 per hour, and the average employee wage is $21 per hour, not including overtime. Most other big box retailers start their employees at minimum wage.

2. Workers get benefits. About 88 percent of Costco employees have company-sponsored health insurance, according to David Sherwood, Costco's Director of Financial Planning and Investor Relations. "I just think people need to make a living wage with health benefits,” Jelinek told Bloomberg. “It also puts more money back into the economy and creates a healthier country. It’s really that simple.”

3. The CEO makes a reasonable salary. Costco's CEO makes far less than most executives, with a total compensation package of about $4.83 million in 2012. In contrast, Walmart CEO Mike Duke made roughly $19.3 million during the same year. Walmart's CEO earns as much as 796 average employees, according to CNN Money, compared to Costco's CEO making 48 times more than the company's median wage...

I am a huge fan of Costco, and being employee friendly makes them even more appealing. My neighbor & I go every few months, split the products and the big savings...and I didn't know about the hot dogs. I'll have to check those out.
 
Jackie..you beat me to it. I was going to post about Costco's wage and benefit scale. What's going on with Walmart is greed, pure and simple. How much profit does a company need to earn, how money does a CEO need to make? I wonder if Walmart really thinks that people fall for the insincerity of taking up donations for it's own employees.

It smacks of a king riding through the streets of the slums in a fancy carriage, putting his diamond encrusted hand out the window to throw pennies to starving beggars.

I used to shop at Costco every week, and you can certainly tell the difference between the Costco and Walmart employee's attitudes. Costco has a very efficient store operation and the employees are friendly and willing to help. The high level of job satisfaction is evident. I really miss having a Costco in this neck of the woods.

I agree with everything you said, OG, and think it's the employee attitude that makes the world of difference for me.
 
Good job Jackie and Katybug, you two beat me. Costco's CEO, Craig Jeliinek, believes the money should be spread out throughout the company. A cashier at Costco can earn up to $60,000 of year. This company should be the blueprint for companies everywhere.

I got on this morning to post the info on Costco, because yesterday I was there shopping. We are rural here and a group of us travel to Costco at least twice a month. They carry a good selection of organic foods, too. If they don't carry something you want they will also help you locate a place you can order it. You can't beat that for customer service.
 
I've never been in a Costco. Walmart is the only game in town. The walmart employees in Clarksville are very friendly and helpful. Heck, everybody in Clarksville is very friendly and helpful.

I do use a local drugstore and other local stores but they don't all have the merchandise walmart has.
 
Good job Jackie and Katybug, you two beat me. Costco's CEO, Craig Jeliinek, believes the money should be spread out throughout the company. A cashier at Costco can earn up to $60,000 of year. This company should be the blueprint for companies everywhere.

I got on this morning to post the info on Costco, because yesterday I was there shopping. We are rural here and a group of us travel to Costco at least twice a month. They carry a good selection of organic foods, too. If they don't carry something you want they will also help you locate a place you can order it. You can't beat that for customer service.

Thx to Jackie for all the fact finding, I wasn't aware of what an excellent employer they are, just the savings & pleasant experience in shopping there. Judi, I'm sure you have much further to travel, it's just across town for us, so we go only every 6 wks or so. Before COSTCO, SAM'S and another that has since gone out of business (can't remember, never shopped there,) controlled that market. I think COSTCO is going to put SAM's out of business. Everyone I know shops COSTCO and that customer service they offer goes a long way.

RK, you are lucky with your Wal-Mart.....trust me, they aren't all the same. I can understand if you're in a small town and go there regularly and you get to know the employees. I've never seen the same employee in any of them twice when I shopped there right after they first opened here. Their was no local flavor whatsoever and the ones here are far from friendly, just the opposite. It's as if they're doing you a favor to service you. And since the picken's are slim in choices for you, I'm glad you're pleased with shopping there.

And I know some of you will be glad to know that this is my last post on Wal-Mart.:)
 
I shop Walmart, because in rural Arakansas Walmart is about it to choose from. I have a Kroger option for groceries, but the store is small, crowded making it hard to shop, every single time I shop there I have to stop before I go out the door and check my receipt..and Yup..everytime there are at least one or two overcharges which results in me having to stand in yet another line at customer service and explain to the not so with it cashier the mistake.

After, finding an add and going through the whole thing to find the item and finally giving me a refund at least an extra 15 minutes are down the tube. When you live an hour from the store, 15 minutes matters in getting home.

I actually like the Batesville Walmart, the customer service is okay and they honor the Kroger ads. Not once in all the time I have shopped in Walmarts have I ever had haggle to get the advertised price. For a while they seemed to have a problem keeping the shelves stocked and were out of a lot of popular items constantly. I read this was a chain problem, as they had cut employee hours to the point that merchandise was not getting put out.

Once a year I make a pilgrimage to Arlington to visit a friend and we hit Costco where I stock up on over the counter drugs we use, miscellaneous goodies, and enough of Mr.O's Seattle's Best Columbian coffee to last the year, which is a must have. We pack my friend's little SUV to the ceiling and drive back here and have a nice visit. The only thing I miss about Texas is Costco, there are none in Arkansas.

So sorry, as much as I disagree with their employment policies, my choice of where to shop in this outpost is pretty limited.
 
Ozark, I shop at Kroger, as well, but here we have nice large stores, and it is my favorite place to shop. I also check my receipt as soon as I am done shopping, to look for mistakes. However, Kroger has a "Scan-rite Guarantee", and anytime they make a mistake on the price, you get that item FREE ! I never bother with what the checker does, and once I am out of the checkout line, I stop and read through everything, and when I find a mistake, then I go to the CS counter, show them, and get my money back. If the item is over $5, then they charge you the right price, and give you a gift card instead of the money back.
Kroger is the only store that I know that does this, every place else still charges you the right price, and refunds the overage; so I love it when Kroger overcharges me.
 
Ozark, I shop at Kroger, as well, but here we have nice large stores, and it is my favorite place to shop. I also check my receipt as soon as I am done shopping, to look for mistakes. However, Kroger has a "Scan-rite Guarantee", and anytime they make a mistake on the price, you get that item FREE ! I never bother with what the checker does, and once I am out of the checkout line, I stop and read through everything, and when I find a mistake, then I go to the CS counter, show them, and get my money back. If the item is over $5, then they charge you the right price, and give you a gift card instead of the money back.
Kroger is the only store that I know that does this, every place else still charges you the right price, and refunds the overage; so I love it when Kroger overcharges me.
We have Kroger stores too, where I shop most of the time. Fred Meyer and QFC are both owned by Kroger. And especially at QFC I check the receipt all the time, their scanners are always wrong on something. It drives me nuts, I catch mistakes alot and I got tired of finding it when I got home and didn't want to go back to the store, now I scrutinize before I get out of the parking lot too.
 
Have you seen those scanner receipts lately?
It take me almost 2 minutes to find out how much I paid for those chocolate chip cookies thru all those ads.
 
I shop Walmart, because in rural Arakansas Walmart is about it to choose from. I have a Kroger option for groceries, but the store is small, crowded making it hard to shop, every single time I shop there I have to stop before I go out the door and check my receipt..and Yup..everytime there are at least one or two overcharges which results in me having to stand in yet another line at customer service and explain to the not so with it cashier the mistake.

After, finding an add and going through the whole thing to find the item and finally giving me a refund at least an extra 15 minutes are down the tube. When you live an hour from the store, 15 minutes matters in getting home.

I actually like the Batesville Walmart, the customer service is okay and they honor the Kroger ads. Not once in all the time I have shopped in Walmarts have I ever had haggle to get the advertised price. For a while they seemed to have a problem keeping the shelves stocked and were out of a lot of popular items constantly. I read this was a chain problem, as they had cut employee hours to the point that merchandise was not getting put out.

Once a year I make a pilgrimage to Arlington to visit a friend and we hit Costco where I stock up on over the counter drugs we use, miscellaneous goodies, and enough of Mr.O's Seattle's Best Columbian coffee to last the year, which is a must have. We pack my friend's little SUV to the ceiling and drive back here and have a nice visit. The only thing I miss about Texas is Costco, there are none in Arkansas.

So sorry, as much as I disagree with their employment policies, my choice of where to shop in this outpost is pretty limited.

Hey, OG, we make the most of what we have. I wouldn't drive much further than I had to and if Walmart was closest, that's where I'd be shopping. My main complaint w/WalMart is lack of service and to keep their low prices, they've had to cut back in employees.

Here, Kroger was bought out by BI-LO and the stores have closed one by one....now they're totally pulling out. Harris-Teeter supermarkets control the area.

PUBLIX has wandered on up the east coast from FL and looms as a major threat to Harris-Teeter, locally owned & operated for 75+ years. You can find one every few blocks or so. With 25 or so in town or within short distance...talk about market monopoly...here comes Publix takin' 'em on big time soon. I'm looking forward to the grocery wars!
 
Ya kidding, for groceries? Well, I suppose I could, but I drive by a half doz or so of them per week. They offer on-line, but I'm sure there's a charge.

So there's a charge - isn't that better than supporting a store that mistreats its employees so blatantly?

Or are the people that claim that "they would shop somewhere else but it's too far away" just blowing smoke?

It comes down I think to what's more important to us - money or morals.
 
So there's a charge - isn't that better than supporting a store that mistreats its employees so blatantly?

Or are the people that claim that "they would shop somewhere else but it's too far away" just blowing smoke?

It comes down I think to what's more important to us - money or morals.

We're not on the same page, Bud, I'm talking Harris-Teeter groc shopping, and Target, NOT Wal-Mart. Some of the others love it tho, and I understand why...lower prices! I'd just rather pay more and have better customer service since it's available.

And I have shopped Wal-Mart on line quite a few times, for checks....much cheaper than banks, tho I rarely use them. Also, for a few other things and their on-line shopping is a good thing, less expensive and no interaction with the employees who are usually grumps -- that is, if you can find one.
 
Phil:
Or are the people that claim that "they would shop somewhere else but it's too far away" just blowing smoke?

No smoke here Phil...when you have to drive an hour just to get to the grocery store, hopping all about a town that has limited services in hopes of finding what you need, in order to skirt around Wally world doesn't work for my stamina or patience level. Also, there is the issue of price. I don't have an unlimited budget and the devil be damned, I have to make the most of what I have. Given a viable alternative I would surely take it.

We talked about Costco, which is the exception, not the rule in retail. I suspect the reason we hear so much about Walmart's devious employment practices is because they are so large and have more press looking for a story. I have a friend that works at Kroger and her working conditions are no better.

Having worked in the retail world for many years, albeit not in a store, but as manager of an administrative department working closely with management and hourly employees, I heard the complaints from store managers on down about the stressful working conditions, and hellatious pressure to meet monthly sales quotas and hour cutting of employees to meet the bottom line goals. Management staff on the other hand were expected to work excessive hours to fill the gap. This was back in the 70's and 80's..I can imagine what it's like now. This is standard operating procedure in retail.

Not defending Walmart in any way, they have enough money and power to do that for themselves. Sometimes, though ideals have to take a back seat when people are in a position where their choices are not much of an option and they have to do what's best for their geographical and/or financial situation.
Walmart is a master of exploiting this opportunity in small towns.
 
Phil:

No smoke here Phil...when you have to drive an hour just to get to the grocery store, hopping all about a town that has limited services in hopes of finding what you need, in order to skirt around Wally world doesn't work for my stamina or patience level. Also, there is the issue of price. I don't have an unlimited budget and the devil be damned, I have to make the most of what I have. Given a viable alternative I would surely take it.

I posed what I thought was a valid alternative - online shopping - but so far no one has addressed it. That's why I'm of the opinion that people would rather indulge in their old habits, however hurtful, than to change their ways and embrace a new technology.

So you're saying that price is king, no matter what? Isn't that a rather dangerous mindset, given the lead from China, the insecticides and steroids from the Mid-West and the slave labor in India and Mexico? Those all contribute to those low prices ...

@Katy - I meant shop online to AVOID stores like WM, not just because they offer an online shopping "experience" - I meant boycotting them altogether by shopping ELSEWHERE online ...
 
I guess y'all can't shop online, huh? :confused:

Have read some terrible things lately about how Amazon employees are treated . . .

I do shop online but enjoy the human interaction with people at local mom 'n' pop stores.

Besides, how does one manage shoplifting online . . . ???
 
I posed what I thought was a valid alternative - online shopping - but so far no one has addressed it. That's why I'm of the opinion that people would rather indulge in their old habits, however hurtful, than to change their ways and embrace a new technology.

So you're saying that price is king, no matter what? Isn't that a rather dangerous mindset, given the lead from China, the insecticides and steroids from the Mid-West and the slave labor in India and Mexico? Those all contribute to those low prices ...

I don't consider shopping for groceries online a viable alternative. It is super expensive and the choices are limited. I am a hands on shopper and can't give up control to someone else to pick out my cuts of meat, fruits and veggies. Freshness is also another factor, when you buy perishable items in the grocery store, they have already suffered from transit and waiting around on the shelf, add extra shipping time to that for online shopping and the quality is bound to suffer. I don't relish the thought of having a beef roast making it's rounds across the country via the postal service.

As far as pollutants from China, I don't purchase food from or processed in China, and you will run into this problem no matter where you shop. The key is reading the label and knowing where the food comes from. For instance, just because canned salmon says it is from Alaska, that doesn't mean it's not processed in China. You have to read the label carefully to determine this.

I have bought specialty grocery items, such as coffee, spice and condiments online that can't be found locally, that will remain the extent of my food shopping online.

Online perishable grocery shopping might be an experiment you could conduct and let us know the results of. If the quality, price, selection, delivery and shipping costs are in line with what I can buy locally, I'm in. I would love not to have to drive an hour each way to the store and back. In the meantime, my money is not going there.

The issue of slave labor in India and Mexico are up to those countries to fix, just as we have to fix and set our own economic policies. Walmart is not forcing those countries to engage in slave labor practices, the people are not enslaved or indentured by Walmart. It is up to the people of those countries to fix their own political and economic system. The economic standards are set by the country, not Walmart.

I am not going on a guilt trip over a third world country's economic policies. We have enough trouble surviving in this country these days. Also, I didn't say price was king. I was lamenting on the lack of viable shopping options in rural areas. If there were options and pricing was a bit higher, but still competitive, I would patronize those places.

As it is, the small local grocery store here charges 30-40% higher than Walmart for their store brand items. I buy my produce there and some meats as the quality is far better than Walmart. I shop their ads for some deals weekly. I will not buy fresh meat from Walmart, unless it is frozen turkeys or packaged meats from a known supplier.

There are two pharmacies in town which are proud of their drugs, and I don't do personal business in this town where everyone is the target of gossip. Point in case: My neighbor was recently sued by the local pharmacy to the tune of $5000 for a Medicare mix up. The gossip was all over town before the papers were served. So, local is not always better, doubt this would have happened with a Walmart pharmacy.

Just saying, there are trade-offs to consider living in a rural area, and you can't paint people who shop at Walmart with a broad brush.
 
I do a lot of shopping online but not for groceries. No telling what condition a package of chicken livers or a T-bone steak would be in by the time the mail came. I don't even go to the mailbox every day.
 
No telling what condition a package of chicken livers or a T-bone steak would be in by the time the mail came. I don't even go to the mailbox every day.

I send my dog after the mail. You can imagane the problems I'd have.
 


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