Up to 18 people shot at Walmart El Paso Texas

I'm amazed that we here in the US, are so much more mentally deficient than countries like Australia, New Zealand, or the UK. I used to think that the lack of strict gun laws (no - -not confiscation) had something to do with the shootings but the NRA and others say that there's NO connection between the rate of ownership, in the US, and the types of weapons available to almost anyone, mentally unbalanced or not.

That's kind of a shame as we can't do much about the people with mental problems, unless we just lock them all up, and we're constantly told that restricting gun ownership won't help at all - - -sounds like we just have to live with it.
 

DaveA said:
I'm amazed that we here in the US, are so much more mentally deficient than countries like Australia, New Zealand, or the UK. I used to think that the lack of strict gun laws (no - -not confiscation) had something to do with the shootings but the NRA and others say that there's NO connection between the rate of ownership, in the US, and the types of weapons available to almost anyone, mentally unbalanced or not.

That's kind of a shame as we can't do much about the people with mental problems, unless we just lock them all up, and we're constantly told that restricting gun ownership won't help at all - - -sounds like we just have to live with it.
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And is there no mental illness in New Zealand, Australia, and the UK?? :sneaky:
And Americans are more mentally deficient than people in those countries? HA! Surely you jest. 🙄😏😁
 
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Warrigal said:
Another interesting question would be "What did the victims have in common?"
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I haven't seen the names or faces of the people killed, but I would guess that most of them were Hispanic. This is a racist hate crime by a white man. Maybe if there were more Hispanics, blacks and other people of color in countries that keep being brought up in these threads, and the high population per city as in the US, there would be more killings there too. Plenty of racists in this world to go around, some are just happily isolated with their own kind.
 
After reading the entire article, it’s my opinion (I am not a Psychologist) that Crusius is not insane, but may be suffering from some sort of mental illness, but I can’t even be 100% certain of that. It may be just his way of thinking and has an obvious hate of Mexicans.
 
This is one of those times when I fantasize about vigilante justice. If I could be assured that I would suffer no legal consequences I would gladly beat this POS to death with a baseball bat.
 
911 said:
In 2008 and after the 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech, we had the opportunity to attend a seminar at a local university that had as main speakers a well known psychologist and an FBI profiler. I definitely wanted and did attend the seminar. We were also able to ask questions after they had completed their presentations.

A couple of things that were presented made a lot of sense to me. Most mass shooters have identical or near identical personalities and profiles. There may be warning signs, but psychologists are not able to predict or identify who the next mass shooter may be.

Here is a real eye opener. Mass shooters are likely NOT to have any mental illness. More than likely, they do have personality disorders and feel wronged by the group they have decided to eliminate. How any of this affects today’s shooter, I am not sure.

Psychologists and Profilers do not have crystal balls. Where or when the next mass shooting will occur is anyone’s guess. Who it will be cannot be determined. Someone asked the question if better gun control laws would prevent these mass shootings. Both of the presenters basically said the same thing; “It’s probably too late for that, taking into consideration the number of weapons that are in the hands of the public today.” They May be right.
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So our country foolishly continues to do nothing of any consequence. Over 100 million guns were sold in the US since the VA shooting. There are enough weapons in the US for virtually every man, woman and child to have lethal force at our fingertips.

How deep does this hole have to get before we STOP DIGGING? Sad to say, but Americans are very slow learners.
 
StarSong said:
So our country foolishly continues to do nothing of any consequence. Over 100 million guns were sold in the US since the VA shooting. There are enough weapons in the US for virtually every man, woman and child to have lethal force at our fingertips.

How deep does this hole have to get before we STOP DIGGING? Sad to say, but Americans are very slow learners.
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Your facts represent the reason why the U.S. will never be physically invaded. Al Qaeda had to use airplanes and that should never happen again.
 
These events only reinforce the belief by the leadership in China, North Korea and Russia that a free and open society is to be avoided.
 
How to prevent mass shootings has been discussed ad nauseam. I personally know men that own over 100 weapons. They have bought some, inherited some and won some at gun raffles, which are very frequently held around this area.

I have heard and read numerous upon numerous ideas/suggestions. There are two items that we have to get past to even think about cutting back on weapons. 1. The 2nd Amendment (good luck with that) 2. The U.S. believes in a capitalist society and free trade, so that also is a stumbling block, but would be easier to overcome than changing the Constitution.

Limiting the number of firearms I’m not sure will work. Too many guns out there now and a mass shooter only needs one AR15 to get the job done. Just one. Giving everyone a psychological exam may be a sticky issue with privacy rules and laws.
 
Violent TV and movie productions certainly don’t help. Along with those two items is violent computer games. To the younger generation, perception is reality. They believe that what they see, they can also do. I’ve had suspects in shootings tell me that.

If I only had the answer, but you’re right. We have to start by doing something and then go from there. But, we have to take that first step.
 
911 said:
We have to start by doing something and then go from there. But, we have to take that first step
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Maybe de-sensationalizing those horrible events, and the shooters
Sure, a headline, but not so much after that
Seems the shooters are always trying to make a statement
If we quit pouring over what that statement could possibly be, and just mow the shooter down......
Maybe a pic of the shooter in a body bag
(just thinking out loud)
 
Now I ask everyone with 19 dead and 40 wounded and certainly the death toll will rise what %$#%^&& difference does it make if it is a hate crime or not. It is a slaughter of innocent people!! The guy lives in Allen and so he drove a long way to get to ElPaso. Worst above all this will never end, ever.
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Fmdog, I've been wondering the same thing for a long time. What is the difference between a "hate crime" and just plain ordinary murder? Innocent people are just as dead, whether the killer was motivated by "hate" or something else. Is it worse if he hates a certain class/category of people, than if he is just a sociopath who thinks it would be fun to test his shooting skills in a crowded store?

I've never understood this. Why the deflection into "they are deciding whether this is a hate crime or not?" Who cares?
 
There is a possible contributing factor that is overlooked my most:
The first that happens when someone is "depressed" is they are prescribed drugs that carry the warning: "This drug may cause suicidal or homicidal tendencies." Almost every school shooter was on Prozac or other anti-depressive.
I asked my nephew how such a drug can contribute to homicide or suicide because he was given Paxil when he had a hard time going through his parents' divorce when he was 10. He explained that such drugs can allow someone to act on their impulses by removing the inhibitions that prevent us from doing what we may fantasize about doing.
 
Sunny said:
Fmdog, I've been wondering the same thing for a long time. What is the difference between a "hate crime" and just plain ordinary murder? Innocent people are just as dead, whether the killer was motivated by "hate" or something else. Is it worse if he hates a certain class/category of people, than if he is just a sociopath who thinks it would be fun to test his shooting skills in a crowded store?

I've never understood this. Why the deflection into "they are deciding whether this is a hate crime or not?" Who cares?
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When you have a crime based on bias and hate, the victim’s entire community is left feeling victimized, vulnerable, fearful, isolated, and unprotected. Hate crimes can lead to reprisals and escalating group tension and violence. So,the impact of the crime is far greater than the already horrible impact on the individual.
 
Gary O' said:
Maybe de-sensationalizing those horrible events, and the shooters
Sure, a headline, but not so much after that
Seems the shooters are always trying to make a statement
If we quit pouring over what that statement could possibly be, and just mow the shooter down......
Maybe a pic of the shooter in a body bag
(just thinking out loud)
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spot on Gary. I can recall being in high school and we all had to go to the morgue and view the end result of a drunk driving crash. I don't know how many of the other classmates felt, but, I for one never, ever, had the urge to drink and drive again.
 
squatting dog said:
spot on Gary. I can recall being in high school and we all had to go to the morgue and view the end result of a drunk driving crash. I don't know how many of the other classmates felt, but, I for one never, ever, had the urge to drink and drive again.
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That wouldn't help. In most of these cases, the shooter commits suicide, so he wouldn't be impressed by a body bag.
 
My answer: Distorted Sense of Reality = Mind Altering Drugs that have been easy for our young boys to get their hands on for decades (and now are grown), like oxycodone...PLUS Violent Video Games (and street drugs laced with other devastating chemicals meant to encourage dependency and do harm...even handed out free to get them hooked then sending them into theft in order to pay their drug-pushers).

The mass shooters are mostly the same age group (not the vegas one...there's a Military PTSD with Guns and Combat Training reason for a few of the older men).

My son came home at age 14 with a borrowed video game called "Grand Theft Auto". I'd never seen a video game so I took the controls myself because I was always cautious as a parent and hands on. I was appalled. The video had me walking down a nice sidewalk in a city with nice animated people (but real looking) passing by and I was suppose to shoot them as they passed me in order to get points. Then a police officer came in the street and I was suppose to shoot him too...repeatedly...to boost my score. I did because I wanted to see what our many young boys were experiencing. As the animated (but real looking) Officer fell down flat on his face, I kept shooting as blood made a puddle on the street. I stopped as I'd seen more than enough. We must get these violent video games banned!!

I was literally sick to my stomach. I of course banned all video games in my house after that. But how do parents know what happens at their friend's houses.

There was a short period of time back then when mindful parents got together to protest these violent video games but were quickly silenced by the powerful media industry...$$$.

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Violent video games are a scapegoat - another example of blaming an inanimate object that has no will of its own. A simple solution to a complicated problem. Killing is a matter of will, not the availability of objects - like cars, guns, violent movies, fire, or planes.
I saw much-worse violence as a child - & (unlike video games) it was live & real. I have no desire to hurt anyone.
Many people on this forum own firearms. What miraculous intervention prevents them from murdering people?
 
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