US prison workers produce $11bn worth of goods and services a year for pittance

I always joked that when I get old (no children) and I can not take care of myself, I would do something to commit a crime to get imprisoned because it has health care, eye care, vision care (I can only get one pair of glasses every two years), dental care, needed operations room and board. Better than homelessness at old age?
 

I always joked that when I get old (no children) and I can not take care of myself, I would do something to commit a crime to get imprisoned because it has health care, eye care, vision care (I can only get one pair of glasses every two years), dental care, needed operations room and board. Better than homelessness at old age?
Sounds like The Cop and the Anthem by O'Henry.

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It's incarceration, never meant to be a career. Don't like it, don't misbehave.
I’ve had my career. I’ve struggled along with many others. I’ve worked long at jobs that did not or would not offer health insurance (saved and paid for my own medical care). SS and my savings might hopefully last until my last days on earth (we believe in earth, right?). If not chalk me up ask a late stage one time criminal.
 
I always joked that when I get old (no children) and I can not take care of myself, I would do something to commit a crime to get imprisoned because it has health care, eye care, vision care (I can only get one pair of glasses every two years), dental care, needed operations room and board. Better than homelessness at old age?
The prison systems' medical care is notoriously poor.
 
I always joked that when I get old (no children) and I can not take care of myself, I would do something to commit a crime to get imprisoned because it has health care, eye care, vision care (I can only get one pair of glasses every two years), dental care, needed operations room and board. Better than homelessness at old age?
The prison systems' medical care is notoriously poor.
 
The prison systems' medical care is notoriously poor.
Say that to the guy on a liver, heart or other organ transplant where a prisoner got one instead of him.
Prison medical care is notoriously poor. A lot of people in society also have poor health coverage, but I'd wager that those with wealth aren't affected by medical care that some inmate may or may not receive.
 
It seems that there is a fairly easy solution for these inmates.....Obey the Laws.
For the most part I agree with you. However, anybody can make a mistake. As only one example: quite a few years ago I knew a guy who'd been "sentenced" to spending weekends in jail because he couldn't pay a parking ticket. In other words, he didn't "go to jail" because he'd broken a law- but because he didn't have MONEY. And our country should be better than that.
 
For the most part I agree with you. However, anybody can make a mistake. As only one example: quite a few years ago I knew a guy who'd been "sentenced" to spending weekends in jail because he couldn't pay a parking ticket. In other words, he didn't "go to jail" because he'd broken a law- but because he didn't have MONEY. And our country should be better than that.
Odd, is there more to it? A person can not be jailed due to the fact they can not pay a fine! Was he offered a payment plan? How indigent was he?
 
For the most part I agree with you. However, anybody can make a mistake. As only one example: quite a few years ago I knew a guy who'd been "sentenced" to spending weekends in jail because he couldn't pay a parking ticket. In other words, he didn't "go to jail" because he'd broken a law- but because he didn't have MONEY. And our country should be better than that.

Incorrect , he was sentenced to jail for breaking a law . Parking illegally...... He "A" shouldn't have broken that law , and the fact that he had "no" money is no excuse for being excused from that law. As such he was given an alternative for exacting the punishment provided by the court.

The judge could have attach a monetary value to time, and sentenced him to that time in one stretch .... he got a break.

At what point do "we" want the authorities to ignore/forgive in the case of criminals @ any level ? We are all subject to our laws , and expected to obey them. If we disagree with a law ...... OK, work to have what ever that law is, changed. But breaking the law is inexcusable , for all of us.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-workers-low-wages-exploited
Nearly two-thirds of all prisoners in the US, which imprisons more of its population than any other country in the world, have jobs in state and federal prisons.
At the risk of being accused of racism I'd like point out that there appears to be a reason why the United States "imprisons more of its population than any other country in the world".

"The largest share of the U.S. prisoners in federal correctional facilities were of African-American origin. As of 2018, there were almost 409,600 black, non-Hispanic prisoners, compared to 394,800 white, non-hispanic inmates."
https://www.statista.com/statistics...h-the-most-prisoners-per-100-000-inhabitants/
African-Americans, who make up 14% of the US population, score high in another statistic, which may help to explain their high US incarceration rate...
"According to the FBI, African-Americans accounted for 55.9% of all homicide offenders in 2019"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States
 
Incorrect , he was sentenced to jail for breaking a law . Parking illegally...... He "A" shouldn't have broken that law , and the fact that he had "no" money is no excuse for being excused from that law. As such he was given an alternative for exacting the punishment provided by the court.

The judge could have attach a monetary value to time, and sentenced him to that time in one stretch .... he got a break.

At what point do "we" want the authorities to ignore/forgive in the case of criminals @ any level ? We are all subject to our laws , and expected to obey them. If we disagree with a law ...... OK, work to have what ever that law is, changed. But breaking the law is inexcusable , for all of us.
That degree of rigidity is alarming.
 
That degree of rigidity is alarming.


Alarming ? How so ? Again I'll ask ...... at what point do you want our laws ignored ?

It's like the old story about a guy riding down the road in a brand new red Porsche ...... he slows for a stop sign, but continues on . A cop puls him over .... you failed to obey that stop sign , the driver says well ..... yeah but I slowed down. The cop takes out his baton ....... and starts wailing on the fender of the new Porsche ..... the driver is screaming stop,stop,stop ....... the cop replies .... you want to really stop ? or just slow down. <grin>
 
Don't get a chip on your shoulder, the statement that "free room and board plus free health care all at taxpayers expense" is technically correct. My comment is NOT "nonsense" as nobody really views going to prison as an opportunity to get "free room and board plus free health care all at taxpayers expense".
Nathan, I've known people who use the prison system this way. They are often small-time criminals who like the security of a place to sleep, free food, free medical, etc. They get released and promptly arrange to get caught again. (I had to accept court-ordered 'volunteers' in previous employment.) To these several people, it beat living on the street.
 
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More than 75% of workers told ACLU researchers if they can’t work or decline to do so, they are subject to punishment ranging from solitary confinement to the loss of family visits to denials of sentence reductions.
To me, that was the most important sentence in the article. If working for pennies is optional, and no prisoner is forced to do so, that's one thing. But if the punishments described here are true, that is forced labor, i.e. slavery. And in this day and age, that is inexcusable.
 
Nathan, I've known people who use the prison system this way. They are often small-time criminals who like the security of a place to sleep, free food, free medical, etc. They get released and promptly arrange to get caught again. (I had to accept court-appointed 'volunteers' in previous employment.) To these several people, it beat living on the street.
I've seen them as well, when I worked for the Sheriff's Dept. They are usually drug burnouts who can't cope with the complexities of living in a free society. They do function in the structured detentions environment. But they're still criminals, so regardless of their motivations, they are where they need to be.
 


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