Yes 'only'. It becomes 11,323 / 321,368,864 =.000035234 so that becomes thousands killed of millions available which is then only about .0035%. Seems rather small to me and it has been coming down over the last 10 years from previous years.
What are the odds of being killed in a terrorist attack?
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Yes 'only'. It becomes 11,323 / 321,368,864 =.000035234 so that becomes thousands killed of millions available which is then only about .0035%. Seems rather small to me and it has been coming down over the last 10 years from previous years.
In the UK 44 people were murdered by gun in 2012. The population is 61 million, about 1/5 of the US population. Hmmm....you do the math. I'll stay here.
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So going by those numbers.. if the UK had a population the size of the US... there would have been 220 gun murders.. Let's see... 220 compared to 11,323.. Anyone can see we have a real problem here..
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I worry more about being trampled at the doors of the mall on Black Friday than I do about terrorists (not that you'd catch me within 10 miles of a mall on Black Friday.......I'd rather face terrorists.....)
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No walks in the woods for me for a while Underock. We have a particularly nasty new type of tick in our woodlands since last spring that has left one hiker brain dead, and another a quadrapalegic all within a matter of days of being bitten.
I'm cautious. Very cautious I might add. I don't want a pleasant hike in the woods to turn into a lifetime with no limbs and no functioning brain. That would really screw up my plans.I'll travel via meditation and visualization and take my photos in safer less tick infested areas.
I'm sorry to hear that, Chic. You seem to really enjoy those. My son was told he had Lyme disease from a tick bite, but thankfully has not shown the effects since the original incident many years ago. Ticks can cause a lot of illnesses, but serious ones and death are not that common. What you are describing sounds like Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. That can be deadly unless treated promptly. Hope you enjoy your "safe" woods. A little imagination, and we can be wherever we want to be, but I know you that you already know that. Go and be happy.
First we need a fair question. How many killed in UK for the year. Forget about guns and just report on numbers killed. Then extract the suicides and self injured and get a more honest final number. Then all countries might be able to swap tales of death. Probably not fair to include auto accidents either. Many places do not have much, if any, auto truck usage.
Since UK has declared war on guns it no longer becomes guns for all countries at all. How about the Swiss. Now there is a country that can talk about guns in the hands of people and in homes. That is maybe how the US would like to get our gun acceptance to be too.
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In 2014 there were forty one murders in Switzerland.
Yes and that is a pretty small number for Switzerland as the government there gives a gun to every able bodied person as they arrive of military age. They get taken to training camps, learn to shoot, keep the rifle at home. No problems at all. After they complete their military availability age they get to keep a rifle at home still. They can buy ammunition for their own after service is over.
Only forty one murders? We should all have it so good where we live. It is not the guns at all, it is a dumb mind set we have that it is the guns. How stupid of us. Maybe we should follow the example of the Swiss. Train all into weapons and expect duty and respect from all our people to each other and their governments.
Only forty one murders? We should all have it so good where we live. It is not the guns at all, it is a dumb mind set we have that it is the guns. How stupid of us. Maybe we should follow the example of the Swiss. Train all into weapons and expect duty and respect from all our people to each other and their governments.
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The year we moved to Detroit, there were 1300 murders in the city. Across the river in Windsor, Canada, the murder rate had increased 50%...from 2 to 4 for the year.
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Murder and attempted murder in Australia 2013.
Population June 2015 - Australia 23,130,900; USA 316,500,000
Taking population into account, if the US had the same murder and attempted murder rate as Australia, 2013 would have seen 3,407 murders and 2148 attempted murders in the United States. Clearly, population does not explain the high number of homicides in the US. There is obviously something else going on.
Note that in Australia, knives are most commonly used in murders and attempted murders. Firearms also feature but to a lesser extent. It is much harder to kill someone with a knife and much less likely that a knife will be used to kill multiple victims. It is also more likely that the victim will survive the attack.
However, even that is not a complete explanation. The difficult question is why is the US population so aggressive, so ready to kill? Compared to other English speaking countries, the statistics are dramatically different and the causes must lie deep within the American psyche.
In OZ our focus at the moment is on domestic murder and we now have an organisation that is counting dead women. We are seeing that on average one woman per week is being killed by an intimate partner. Suddenly Australians are aware of the enormity of this problem and governments are being pressured to take action.
The first step in problem solving is to recognise that a problem exists. A number of posts in this thread are in denial about the size of the problem of homicides in the US and while this is the case there will be no possibility for serious analysis of the causes.
Population June 2015 - Australia 23,130,900; USA 316,500,000
Taking population into account, if the US had the same murder and attempted murder rate as Australia, 2013 would have seen 3,407 murders and 2148 attempted murders in the United States. Clearly, population does not explain the high number of homicides in the US. There is obviously something else going on.
Note that in Australia, knives are most commonly used in murders and attempted murders. Firearms also feature but to a lesser extent. It is much harder to kill someone with a knife and much less likely that a knife will be used to kill multiple victims. It is also more likely that the victim will survive the attack.
However, even that is not a complete explanation. The difficult question is why is the US population so aggressive, so ready to kill? Compared to other English speaking countries, the statistics are dramatically different and the causes must lie deep within the American psyche.
In OZ our focus at the moment is on domestic murder and we now have an organisation that is counting dead women. We are seeing that on average one woman per week is being killed by an intimate partner. Suddenly Australians are aware of the enormity of this problem and governments are being pressured to take action.
The first step in problem solving is to recognise that a problem exists. A number of posts in this thread are in denial about the size of the problem of homicides in the US and while this is the case there will be no possibility for serious analysis of the causes.
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I fear being in the way during a drive by than I do a terrorist attack. Many young men around here are locked and loaded at all times. They wouldn't be aiming at grandma...but if I was just walking the dog at the wrong time...then Callie would kill one of them and the police would have a fine mess to clean up.
It's geological location, evidently. In the '90s, my neighbor and I were touring about Northern Nevada seeking info about retirement there. We ventured up into Twin Falls, Idaho, stopped in a Realtor's office to talk. Neighbor asked the broker quite non-commitally, do you have drive-bys here? Realtor furrowed his brow. Then replied, sure, we have a McDonalds, Dairy Queen, and others.
The guy did not know the term! imp
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Gangs never purposely aim at and kill innocent people.. They are shooting at rival gang members... over turf or revenge or whatever they are fighting over.. However. having a gun... and actually being able to use it to hit what you are shooting at are two different things.. All the cops I know say that these gangbangers are notoriously bad shots... They hit innocent bystanders more often than their intended targets.
However, even that is not a complete explanation. The difficult question is why is the US population so aggressive, so ready to kill? Compared to other English speaking countries, the statistics are dramatically different and the causes must lie deep within the American psyche.
No problem with the American psyche at all. We somehow have to get the street gangs off the street and get down to just gun owners everywhere like in Switzerland. We have far too many folk just living off what they can take from others. Drugs, and more allowed all the time. Not fixing anything at all. I could post a long rant about stopping this nonsense and blaming the wrong people, gun owners, and not the guilty, the drugged and lazy without permission to own guns.
Actually, not to put too much of a fine point on this but that's 100%...doubling. I know the difference in the two cities. Born in Detroit and visited Windsor dozens of times. Great place to go.
But I read somewhere and of course, forgot where, there is a higher probability of Americans in America, dying from peanut poisoning than from a terrorist attack,
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I think one of the biggest indicators of how far gun culture has gotten away from us in the states is the apathy. Especially if you feel gun nuts are allowing the nuts with guns to run free. Another shooting ho hum, how many did they get this time? Because you know it's not going to stop, not in our lifetimes at least. No United States leader has the gonads...including Hillary, to even squeak at the NRA.
I repeat my story about Newark. A civil rights group and some religious folks made a request. Just for one day no killing, just for 24 hours no one gets murdered please. The first victim was 9am and the second was found around noon. That is just a single US city.
I repeat my story about Newark. A civil rights group and some religious folks made a request. Just for one day no killing, just for 24 hours no one gets murdered please. The first victim was 9am and the second was found around noon. That is just a single US city.
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Oy, that will make us feel better? They're lousy shots so they paralyze you or some other debilitating injury. Then Medicaid or Medicare will decline proper treatment. At least with the terrorists you have a chance and/or you're dead...no red tape there.
Gangs killing innocents?
Of course gang members never purposely kill innocent folks. What could be gained by it? Caught and imprisoned?
The second statement remains hypothetical. How many times have you seen "innocent bystanders" mingling in public amongst known gang members? Huh? And why would they, given the odds they might be caught in crossfire?
Get real. imp
Of course gang members never purposely kill innocent folks. What could be gained by it? Caught and imprisoned?
The second statement remains hypothetical. How many times have you seen "innocent bystanders" mingling in public amongst known gang members? Huh? And why would they, given the odds they might be caught in crossfire?
Get real. imp
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Some of those innocent bystanders are children who happen to live in or near gang territory. Other innocents live there also. Often things happen far too quickly for anyone to take cover.
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