What are the reasons some do not wear masks or will not be vaccinated?

Chris P Bacon said:
Then why would you say that it were as you just did? You might want to tape that quote to your forehead and give it some time to penetrate into what you know already. There's a message there, I promise you!

I don't know who said this but I've heard and believe that there are TWO sides to most stories. You seem to only want your side read.
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🤣 🤣 🤣 I read the quote a few times...no need to tape to my forehead. Matter of fact, I love the quote. Makes me more adamant in not getting the vaccine. Thank you for clarity...much appreciated.
 

Chris P Bacon said:
And I thank YOU for knowing that you understand what the quote means. You love the quote and I love you! Love the sinner, hate the sin! Hallelujah!
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And I love you to. One GREAT thing about life is that everyone has a right to their opinion. My understanding on different issues may differ from yours and that is OK!!! You see life different from others and that is OK!! And some people see life the same as you and that is.... wait for it, wait for it.. IT'S OK!!!
 
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Chris P Bacon said:
Seriously? You really do? Then please get vaccinated so you won't infect me with any viruses! Love me to what?
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I love everyone. We are all God's children. How can I say I hate anyone that God created. If I say I love God, how can I hate his creation. My love is not conditional.. Me getting vaccinated is not a condition of love. My hubby was vaccinated and he has not said to me - if you love me you will get vaccinated. If so, I would have said to him, if you love me you would not ask me to.

If you are vaccinated why are you concerned whether I get vaccinated or not. You chose to get vaccinated for protection - You trust and understand the information you received prior to getting the vaccine...therefore why are you depending on others to get vaccinated. You should feel comfortable enough that if you got the virus, it will be mild being that you got the vaccine.
 
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Well, you may want to sit down before reading further, I'm not your hubby and not everyone believes we were created by your god or any other gods. And you're right, getting vaccinated is NOT a condition of love. It's a privilege and if you choose to not avail yourself of that privilege then I doubt that even your god or your hubby could see that you take advantage while you still are alive. I don't wish Covid on you or anyone else. I had it already and I've also been vaccinated. I don't know if the vaccine works or not but so far, I know that I first caught Covid before I was vaccinated and haven't had any negative side effects or been re-infected post vaccination. I guess though that with the mutuations of the virus that have happened since I was vaccinated back in April and the mutations that may still be going, my vaccine was developed before these mutations were around, so yes, it's possible that some un or non vaccinated individual might infect me with some new strain of Covid that became a variant AFTER my vaccine was developed. If it's you who infects me though, that won't change the fact that I love you anyway but I probably won't get close enough to hug you or to allow you to hug me.
 
Chris P Bacon said:
Well, you may want to sit down before reading further, I'm not your hubby and not everyone believes we were created by your god or any other gods. And you're right, getting vaccinated is NOT a condition of love. It's a privilege and if you choose to not avail yourself of that privilege then I doubt that even your god or your hubby could see that you take advantage while you still are alive. I don't wish Covid on you or anyone else. I had it already and I've also been vaccinated. I don't know if the vaccine works or not but so far, I know that I first caught Covid before I was vaccinated and haven't had any negative side effects or been re-infected post vaccination. I guess though that with the mutuations of the virus that have happened since I was vaccinated back in April and the mutations that may still be going, my vaccine was developed before these mutations were around, so yes, it's possible that some un or non vaccinated individual might infect me with some new strain of Covid that became a variant AFTER my vaccine was developed. If it's you who infects me though, that won't change the fact that I love you anyway but I probably won't get close enough to hug you or to allow you to hug me.
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No you are not my hubby. I get kisses and hugs from him. He is not paranoid that I am not vaccinated. I have no need to get close to you or hug you..so you can relax. Hallelujah!!!!!
 
Ladybj said:
I love everyone. We are all God's children. How can I say I hate anyone that God created. If I say I love God, how can I hate his creation. My love is not conditional.. Me getting vaccinated is not a condition of love. My hubby was vaccinated and he has not said to me - if you love me you will get vaccinated. If so, I would have said to him, if you love me you would not ask me to.

If you are vaccinated why are you concerned whether I get vaccinated or not. You chose to get vaccinated for protection - You trust and understand the information you received prior to getting the vaccine...therefore why are you depending on others to get vaccinated. You should feel comfortable enough that if you got the virus, it will be mild being that you got the vaccine.
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Controllers don't think that way. They want everyone to make the same choices they made.
And their confidence in the vaccine is already shaky & when others choose not to get vaccinated, it further weakens their confidence.
 
win231 said:
Controllers don't think that way. They want everyone to make the same choices they made.
And their confidence in the vaccine is already shaky & when others choose not to get vaccinated, it further weakens their confidence.
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VERY WELL STATED!!!!! I just have to SMH. Now they are coming out with Booster shots for those that have been vaccinated. Will there be a fourth shot?? Bottom line do what is best for you but don't make others feel they need to do the same. We have NO idea what others are going through health wise and the medical field have no idea how it will effect people.
 
win231 said:
Controllers don't think that way. They want everyone to make the same choices they made.
And their confidence in the vaccine is already shaky & when others choose not to get vaccinated, it further weakens their confidence.
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I imagine that it’s only a mater of time before someone here, who throws insults and thinks that they’re smarter than everyone else, comes down with a case of Covid. And when that happens I imagine that at least one or two of those who didn’t choose to get vaccinated before might reconsider but then again too, maybe they won’t. So be it. I don’t wish anyone bad luck, I love you all but I will say this, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. A person can be led to knowledge but no one can make them think. Be as spiteful and all knowing as you like. Pretty soon that ball will drop in one of those spots as the wheel spins down … Will it be YOUR number it drops into or maybe your co-horts ? I don’t know and I don’t wish you badly but I can’t make you think. You’ll live with your choices or possibly die or worse, cause some other innocent soul to die. Just because you knew what you know. John 11:35
 
Chris P Bacon said:
I imagine that irs only a mater of time someone here, who throws insults and thinks that they’re smarter than everyone else, comes down with a case of Covid. And when that happens I imagine that at least one or two of those who didn’t choose to get vaccinated before might reconsider but then agai too, maybe they won’t. So be it. I don’t wish anyone bad luck, I love you all but I will say this, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. A person can be led to knowledge but no one can make them think. Be as spiteful and all knowing as you like. Pretty soon that ball will drop in one of those spots as the wheel spins down … Will it be YOUR number it drops into or maybe your co-hotts? I don’t know and I don’t wish you badly but I can’t make you think. You’ll live with your choices or possibly die or worse, cause some other innocent soul to die. Just because you knew what you know. John 11:35
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Sending you positive energy.
 
Chris P Bacon said:
I imagine that it’s only a mater of time before someone here, who throws insults and thinks that they’re smarter than everyone else, comes down with a case of Covid. And when that happens I imagine that at least one or two of those who didn’t choose to get vaccinated before might reconsider but then again too, maybe they won’t. So be it.
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That sword cuts both ways. It may only be a matter of time before someone close to me or you has been vaxxed and died. The problem there lies in the fact that anyone already vaxxed cannot undo it.
 
Masks.
Used by medical personel in operating rooms since forever. Also by many others such as body shop repair, painters, welders. So while not the perfect solution they offer some protection as opposed to none.

Vaccinations.
Still in the test stage unlike prior when releasing to the public took several years. The was IMO a need to rush use due to rapid spread & world wide death. I'd bet prior vaccines had various negative results with some maybe all, but prior vaccines were ultimately effective.

All we have to go on is unfolding info as time passes. What we do with the info is a personal choice.
 
Chris P Bacon said:
I imagine that it’s only a mater of time before someone here, who throws insults and thinks that they’re smarter than everyone else, comes down with a case of Covid. And when that happens I imagine that at least one or two of those who didn’t choose to get vaccinated before might reconsider but then again too, maybe they won’t. So be it. I don’t wish anyone bad luck, I love you all but I will say this, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. A person can be led to knowledge but no one can make them think. Be as spiteful and all knowing as you like. Pretty soon that ball will drop in one of those spots as the wheel spins down … Will it be YOUR number it drops into or maybe your co-horts ? I don’t know and I don’t wish you badly but I can’t make you think. You’ll live with your choices or possibly die or worse, cause some other innocent soul to die. Just because you knew what you know. John 11:35
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Well, maybe if you pray hard enough, you might get what you want. Then you can say, "Told ya so."
 
win231 said:
You have it backwards. The first insult is from the person who labels anyone who doesn't trust a new, untested Covid vaccine an "Antivaxxer," which implies they're against all vaccines. When you hit someone first, you can expect to get hit back.
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Before anything else, sorry I don't really do private chats or whatever that envelope thingy is where your name appeared. I prefer to talk here.

Anyway, this is a welcome twist, although I'm experiencing cognitive dissonance --- political correctness sprung on me by a ???

You didn't say how you wanted to be called. For someone who claims he was insulted and offended enough to hurl insults, you're pretty slow in labeling yourself.

Kudos to you on the deflection attempt. . After Becky and I have established that more unvaccinated die compared to the vaccinated, you attacked the person. Typical deflection strategy.

But I would gladly walk down Deflection Lane with you right now.

First, your little morphology lesson , yes you're right. Anti vaxxer implies that a person hates all vaccines and that includes Covid vaccines. You are a subset of the anti vaxxer population. Ergo, it is not entirely incorrect to call you an anti vaxxer.

However, if you inject the PC bit, yes you are correct. Just like LGBTQ+, you want your own "letter". I get that. And you're similar to black people who say not all black people are African Americans. I respect that, too.

Now tell us how do you want to be called? (BTW, I think I already know what term you're going to use, still I await with bated breath.)

But wait, there's more...

This is the tenet of the anti vaccine movement: Vaccines are unsafe and cause health issues and the government and pharmaceutical companies suppress this information from the public.

Based on your posts that I've read, you seem to fit the profile of an antivaxxer. You've made several comments that are not confined to Covid on this thread alone. Your undying hatred for doctors calling them.corrupt.; that pharmaceuticals are profit mongers, , you've disavowed scientists and experts, you act like your human rights are being violated. Dude, that is hard core anti vaxxer.

So, if you talk like an antivaxxer, act like an antivaxxer, behave like an antivaxxer, expect to be called an anti vaxxer.
 
One thing to add with masks, if you choose to wear one, wear a good one - an N95 or a KN95 that you can fit tightly to your face. Most of the cloth masks, while better than nothing, do not match the protection of a proper N95 that fits snuggly.

Yes, I know. Getting it to fit snuggly is often a problem. There is money to be made by designing an N95 mask that Joe and Jane Citizen can easily and properly fit to their face.
 
The reason that some people don’t get the vaccine is a fear of needles. My 22 year old grandson who is really strong and muscle bound was just about to pass out when his mother took him to a pop up clinic. He had the classic shoulders up to his ears, clenched fists, white as a ghost look until my DD had him look away. He didn’t even know he’d had the shot. According to the nurse, this fear isn’t rare.
 
That's an interesting point Jules, one that I have not seen addressed here before. I wonder, if the vaccine was available as a pill, if all these imaginary bad reactions, and all the resentment against the medical establishment, would instantly disappear?

Today's paper had a feature article about a day in the life of a few doctors in rural Alabama, who had 10 unvaccinated elderly patients come in to the clinic, for various ailments. One after another, the doctors asked if they had reconsidered the Covid shot,, and one after another they came up with the most dubious fears, imaginary dangers, stories of what had happened to "a friend of a friend," etc. until the 10th patient was finally intelligent enough to say yes. These were people who had battled cancer, some of them had parts of lungs missing, etc. They knew what the death toll was, and they knew that due to Covid, there were no hospital beds available for anyone else who needed them. Yet, they were still stubbornly saying, "Well, I don't know. I'll think about it."

The doctors had an amazing amount of kindness and patience. But they were still only able to convince one out of ten. And the death toll of the unvaccinated continues to rise.
 
The schools will be a big test. If schools are closed again and we are back to the awful online classrooms, I think a lot of parents will not be happy with those who refuse the vaccine, but still want to be out and about at work, in stores, at the public library, at restaurants, etc. while risking spreading the virus to others. They can't have their rights while ignoring the rights of others to things like a safe work place and a good education. If kids get sick because of non vaccinated adults.... Look out.

IMO, as corona virus continues to take its grim toll of non vaccinated people, I think more and more of them will decide to get vaccinated.
 

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