What can the world do to punish Russia?

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon said on Thursday that it was sending an additional 7,000 troops to Europe, after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine launched the biggest land war in Europe since World War II.

Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III ordered the deployment of an armored brigade combat team to Germany to reassure NATO allies, the Pentagon said in a statement. In particular, American military officials want to send another message: while the United States is staying out of Ukraine, it will not hesitate to act if President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia turns his eye toward a member of the Atlantic alliance.

The deployment will bring to 14,000 the number of American troops that President Biden has ordered to Europe since the Ukraine crisis began. Their arrival will bring to nearly 100,000 the number of American troops in Europe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/us/politics/us-troops-russia-ukraine-military.html

Putin has more sense than to go after any member of the Atlantic alliance (NATO).
 

should have sent troops there long ago , along with our allies , the US gave its word to the people of Ukraine
The Massandra Accords set the stage for the ultimately successful trilateral talks. As the United States mediated between Russia and Ukraine, the three countries signed the Trilateral Statement on January 14, 1994. Ukraine committed to full disarmament, including strategic weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia. Ukraine agreed to transfer its nuclear warheads to Russia and accepted U.S. assistance in dismantling missiles, bombers, and nuclear infrastructure. Ukraine’s warheads would be dismantled in Russia, and Ukraine would receive compensation for the commercial value of the highly enriched uranium. Ukraine ratified START on February 3, 1994, repealing its earlier preconditions, but it would not accede to the NPT without further security assurances.
 
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It looks like this crisis is bringing our leaders together.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) called for swift action against Russia on Thursday in response to its invasion of Ukraine, warning that "time is not on our side."

"When it comes to sanctions against Putin – If we are NOT doing everything possible, we are NOT doing enough. Time is NOT on our side," Graham, a member of the Senate Appropriations Committee wrote on Twitter.

He warned that how the U.S. handles Russian President Vladimir Putin would affect what happens in regions like Asia and the Middle East.

The South Carolinian said he looked forward to working with "Republicans and Democrats to pass an emergency supplemental to help Ukraine."

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) similarly voiced his support for heightened sanctions on Thursday, saying Biden should increase them "all the way up."

"Ratchet the sanctions all the way up. Don't hold any back," said McConnell. "Every single available tough sanction should be employed and should be employed now.

President Biden earlier Thursday afternoon announced a new wave of sanctions against Russia and Belarus. The sanctions will target Russian bank holdings worth about $1 trillion in assets.

Apart from financial institutions, the U.S. is also issuing export controls that will effect Russia's ability to access U.S. technology like semiconductors, lasers and sensors.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...ctions-against-russia-time-is-not-on-our-side
 

john19485 said:
Its over now execpt for the mop up, Russia controls it now, nothing the US does or anyone else is going to make a difference, our world standing is down to O now, thanks to that person in the White House, the one that can't seem to keep his mouth shut.
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It's not fair for you to be a provocateur. We're not supposed to discuss politics, yet you deliberately write a baiting sentence, begging for someone to agree or disagree with you. So, before I tell you why you're wrong, instead I will ask you, in future, not to make such comments and take your own advice and shut up instead. Thank you.
 
It's sad, to me, that the sanctions against Russia don't seem to include a ban on oil and natural gas exports.

That suggests, to me, that the sanctions are more political bluster and posturing than serious punitive measures designed to cripple the Russian economy.

I've been reading that since the Russian invasion of Crimea Putin has been stockpiling currency, gold, etc... in an effort to prevent sanctions from creating a liquidity crisis or currency squeeze. Some estimates place Russia's currency reserve at $631 billion, enough to offset the loss of revenue from exports for up to 17 months.
 
Aunt Bea said:
It's sad, to me, that the sanctions against Russia don't seem to include a ban on oil and natural gas exports.

That suggests, to me, that the sanctions are more political bluster and posturing than serious punitive measures designed to cripple the Russian economy.
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Problem is Europe needs these more than Russia needs to sell to them. China already buys more than anyone else and they are not likely to be a part of any sanctions. In fact they may be happy to take up whatever exports Russia loses.

With China as such an important trading partner our sanctions of Russia can't be real effective. And China is not likely to be sympathetic to our side.

Putin hails China oil and gas deals amid tensions with Europe​

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2...ost-energy-alliance-with-30-year-gas-contract
Aunt Bea said:
Some estimates place Russia's currency reserve at $631 billion, enough to offset the loss of revenue from exports for up to 17 months.
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Which should give them plenty of time to find other markets for those goods.
 
Irwin said:
They'll hurt the people of Russia more than they'll hurt Putin, but maybe that will be the impetus for a massive uprising and the overthrow of his dictatorship.
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What I just heard on the news is that the Russian equivalent of the stock market is tanking.........that will hurt Putin and the oligarchs!
 

Tanker Owners Are Turning Their Backs On Russian Oil​

Owners of tankers have become reluctant to offer their vessels to load crude from Russia for fear that their future cargo could be breaching potential sanctions if the West decides to deploy the harshest sanctions against Russia after it invaded Ukraine early on Thursday.

Several shipbrokers and tanker owners told Bloomberg on Thursday that they avoid offering their vessels to load Russian crude.

Two-thirds of Russia's crude oil exports are seaborne, from ports in the Black Sea and the Baltic Sea.

After Russia invaded Ukraine on Thursday, the United States, the European Union, and the UK vowed to impose another round of sanctions against Moscow.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tanker-owners-turning-backs-russian-213000425.html
 
Bretrick said:
Immediately imprison all the people involved in Russian Embassies around the world.
Confiscate all finances held by Russian elite around the world.
Stop the Russian Elite from disembarking from airplanes or if they travel, imprison them immediately, freezing all their assets.
There must be many other ways to hurt them.
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Why wait for now to do all this? Had it been done to Bush and his fellow warmongering capitalists, Putin would not have been emboldened to do any of this crap.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Why wait for now to do all this? Had it been done to Bush and his fellow warmongering capitalists, Putin would not have been emboldened to do any of this crap.
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We all know world leaders are piss weak.
I have heard for years, "We must never allow this to happen again" (invasion of other Countries)
Though it still happens and no country is proactive. They all let it happen then offer - "We condemn these actions...."
Remove these tyrannical leaders.
 
Pepper said:
It's not fair for you to be a provocateur. We're not supposed to discuss politics, yet you deliberately write a baiting sentence, begging for someone to agree or disagree with you. So, before I tell you why you're wrong, instead I will ask you, in future, not to make such comments and take your own advice and shut up instead. Thank you.
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I've been in the same situation these people are in, having the President say that America will be there for you , then backing out of that.
 
Many in the Russian government disapprove of Putin's actions. After all, the Ukrainians are their own people. If they feel strongly enough, they may unite against him and put a stop to it.
 
What can we do to punish Russia. Hmmm. At one time we were oil independent and a net oil exporter. Now it seems we import 595,000 barrels of oil a day from Russia -- more than we get from Saudi Arabia. With prices rising I guess that comes to $60 million a day or around $22 billion a year. $22 billion buys a lot of tanks and missiles. Hmmm.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapie...or-supplier-of-oil-to-the-us/?sh=3ac31f4418c3
 
1955 said:
I'm hoping that it doesn't embolden China to take over Taiwan.
This is a disaster, I had really thought the world evolved more than this.
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My take is China is in bed with Russia
One side takes Ukraine and the ot h er side takes Taiwan and then as Hilter takes over the world.
Hitler is back yet how did England get other countries ?
 
1955 said:
I'm hoping that it doesn't embolden China to take over Taiwan.
This is a disaster, I had really thought the world evolved more than this.
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Not when there are poorer countries to takeover. Russia wants Warner countries it just too damn cold up there.
 
Pepper said:
This is a European problem for now and I think their ideas should be the ones which lead.
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So as in world war2 we waited and it became bigger that we lost more than any other country because they was allowed to regroup as was mentioned above just like Hitler...to be concerned of China North Korea and Russia closing in on us this time 3 countries not just Germany.
As we allow the Amish Germany run by men only to run a ok Corral for their male population they can't tell you anything of America's History no school after 8th grade. To keep them without a means to join the world as they say is English
I can not understand how a German based religious culture is allowed to be above the law when we are not. I believe they should go back to Germany without the women if they rather stay. Yet they have the upper hand by ripping families apart in allowing rapes of children is closing their eyes to all this Daisy issue going on and the law enforcement will never be fired think there needs to be a war too.
 
In what way did US lose more than any other country during WW II?

For starters, the war began in 1939 but it wasn't until after Pearl Harbour that US entered the war.
Meanwhile Europe had been under the heel of the German forces and Britain was copping a hiding from the air.

The moment Hitler invaded Poland Churchill declared war on Germany and Australia together with other Commonwealth countries immediately rushed to oppose the Germans and their allies the Italians.

I think you should check your historical facts more carefully. Alternately, try to explain what you mean because I haven't the faintest idea what most of the above is all about.
 
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Warrigal said:
In what way did US lose more than any other country during WW II?

For starters, the war began in 1939 but it wasn't until after Pearl Harbour that US entered the war.
Meanwhile Europe had been under the heel of the German forces and Britain was copping a hiding from the air.

The moment Hitler invaded Poland Churchill declared war on Germany and Australia together with other Commonwealth countries immediately rushed to oppose the Germans and their allies the Italians.

I think you should check your historical facts more carefully. Alternately, try to explain what you mean because I haven't the faintest idea what most of the above is all about.
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Thank you Warrigal for that correction. Anyone who thinks the US lost more than anyone else in WWII is completely wrong and just doesn't know their history. Pearl Harbour was attacked on December 7, 1941 so the war was already going on for 27 months or over 2 years plus before the US entered the war. The USSR lost 26.6 million people, Poland lost about 5.6 million and the USA 420,000. So, saying that the USA lost more people in WWII is pure fiction. You do get that from watching John Wayne war movies which always ignores the fact that Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, British, French, etc. were in the war too. Nope, only John Wayne and all his happy soldiers. Pure fairy tale!
 

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