What do think about poor people moving into your neighborhood?

Why should anyone care about the bank account of their neighbors? Totally irrelevant!
 

Sunny said:
Why should anyone care about the bank account of their neighbors? Totally irrelevant!
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Totally irrelevant for you, but not for many. There are those that want, and even demand, their housing developments look clean, organized and nice looking. However, it's already been stated that most low-income folks can't afford the nicer areas of places and the people in those areas know that and are totally happy that those low-income folks can't afford it.

As for myself, I don't like driving thru a housing development or an apartment complex that looks trashy. Many apartment managers will say that the place looks that bad due to how some residents live. Same can go for a house.

Many low-income folks call people that live in nicer areas "snooty". But, if those middle-to-upper class folks can afford the nicer areas...…..good.
 
The implication seems to be that poor people have lower standards than rich people. This is very often true, though it's hard to understand why. Does being poor make people lose their self-respect?
 

Rosemarie said:
The implication seems to be that poor people have lower standards than rich people. This is very often true, though it's hard to understand why. Does being poor make people lose their self-respect?
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Well, when there are those that can't afford the nice vacations, dinners out, etc., etc. that others can afford, it can depress some. There are those that have no problem affording any kind of healthcare/surgeries/medications and those that can't. That, in itself, can be pretty depressing for those that can't.

If a person was to talk to some that have low self-respect, many of those would probably say their family didn't have the finances that other families did. There are high school graduates that can't go to college due to the lack of finances in the family. Than there are those that the parents have absolutely no problem paying for college for their kids.
 
Sidebar story:

When I was in grade school the teacher told us to bring in canned goods to giv to a needy family. So, as I laid my things on the bench for the next morning I took a can of something from the cupboard. My father asked me what I was doing. "Mrs. ___ said to bring in canned food for a needy family." My mom and dad looked at each other, laughed, and told me to put the can back into the cupboard. They were struggling, house full of kids, and mom was pregnant again. "Needy" family? :laugh:
 
With Section 8, there are a lot of rules to follow for both tenant and landlord. I know because I was the de facto landlord/property manager as a part of my total job. It was a 48 unit apartment building. The rent couldn't be above a certain rate and kept that way unless justified and approved. The unit had to be in a certain safe and clean condition, and were inspected by the local government agency at least yearly. And, also, a landlord does not have to accept anyone for Section 8 tenancy. They need to pass background checks just like anyone else. Any folks that made any kind of problems for the building in this case never were caused by any of the Section 8 tenants. And anyone that did cause problems were given notice to shape up or get out. A landlord has fiduciary obligations to all those living there together on the property. There are rules for ALL tenants.
 
Just last month, I discussed this matter with two of my butlers, my tailor, my team of housekeepers, my personal chef, my chauffeur & the guy who details my Bentley. None of them were concerned about it.
 
Olivia said:
With Section 8, there are a lot of rules to follow for both tenant and landlord. I know because I was the de facto landlord/property manager as a part of my total job. It was a 48 unit apartment building. The rent couldn't be above a certain rate and kept that way unless justified and approved. The unit had to be in a certain safe and clean condition, and were inspected by the local government agency at least yearly. And, also, a landlord does not have to accept anyone for Section 8 tenancy. They need to pass background checks just like anyone else. Any folks that made any kind of problems for the building in this case never were caused by any of the Section 8 tenants. And anyone that did cause problems were given notice to shape up or get out. A landlord has fiduciary obligations to all those living there together on the property. There are rules for ALL tenants.
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There are rules, if people will follow them. We have a Section 8 apartment complex here and there has been quite a bit of crime within and around the complex. Residents were complaining about things not being fixed. This complex was on our local news quite a bit.
 
Thing is, there are those that simply don't want, what they think is "undesirable", people to move into their communities. A lot of times it's not hard to tell the "desirable" from the "undesirable" types. There are communities all over America that think this way, like it or not. IOW, if a person is driving a new, or fairly new, Lexus, BMW, or some type of convertible, they are ok. But, if a person is driving an old "beat up" looking vehicle...…..forget it.

Like it or not, people do judge others. That's just fact.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Thing is, there are those that simply don't want, what they think is "undesirable", people to move into their communities. A lot of times it's not hard to tell the "desirable" from the "undesirable" types. There are communities all over America that think this way, like it or not. IOW, if a person is driving a new, or fairly new, Lexus, BMW, or some type of convertible, they are ok. But, if a person is driving an old "beat up" looking vehicle...…..forget it.

Like it or not, people do judge others. That's just fact.
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Undesirable and poor, are not necessarily the same thing..

Would you class an old person living on a limited budget an ''undesirable''?... what about a crime Lord or a drug Baron with loads of money and several high end cars?...would he be desirable because he drives a Lexus or a Maserati ?

It's not money that makes people undesirable, it's been said already..it's the actions of people, that they are decent, good people..nothing to do with how little money they have!!
 
ClassicRockr said:
There are rules, if people will follow them. We have a Section 8 apartment complex here and there has been quite a bit of crime within and around the complex. Residents were complaining about things not being fixed. This complex was on our local news quite a bit.
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Guess what? Your experience does not cover it all. You see and judge the way you want to, but don't just casually dismiss everyone else's because you personally what to make your point of everyone but you and yours being so perfect and everything and everyone around you just don't fit your criteria of what you like. Okay?
 
hollydolly said:
Undesirable and poor, are not necessarily the same thing..

Would you class an old person living on a limited budget an ''undesirable''?... what about a crime Lord or a drug Baron with loads of money and several high end cars?...would he be desirable because he drives a Lexus or a Maserati ?

It's not money that makes people undesirable, it's been said already..it's the actions of people, that they are decent, good people..nothing to do with how little money they have!!
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While I tend to agree, [how little money] some may have , can make them become undesirable. By that I mean , even in a 'blue-color' neighborhood [they] may break into someone else's house to steal what [they] have. That IS undesirable period, no matter what the income of that person is .

It's plain & simple jealousy . Just like a friend of mine that thinks her bosses are all over paid, and their pay should be lowered, the difference dispersed among those at her level.......jealously ! My answer, work harder/smarter to promote.
 
There is another thread in this forum about "homeless" getting a home in a very upscale area. These rich people united to get the home removed. This produced many replies to the thread about how snooty the rich were. And the "homeless" were depicted as all defecating on the street. I disagreed with some of their points. Besides those with obvious mental problems, the "homeless" do no defecate in the street. In fact, most are women with children. Secondly I'm not sure the "rich" acted any differently than us, "poorer" people, when confronting a "homeless' shelter. My area is not "rich", and home owners would be fighting tooth and nail about a "homeless" shelter in their midst. I worked at a State psychiatric hospital. When it was closed, and lots of group homes were envisioned; people fought like hell not to have one next door.
 
win231 said:
Just last month, I discussed this matter with two of my butlers, my tailor, my team of housekeepers, my personal chef, my chauffeur & the guy who details my Bentley. None of them were concerned about it.
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It is good of you to pay those hard working people enough to allow them to provide for themselves and their families. And, it is good that they are hard working people - they deserve to live well..
 
fuzzybuddy said:
There is another thread in this forum about "homeless" getting a home in a very upscale area. These rich people united to get the home removed. This produced many replies to the thread about how snooty the rich were. And the "homeless" were depicted as all defecating on the street. I disagreed with some of their points. Besides those with obvious mental problems, the "homeless" do no defecate in the street. In fact, most are women with children. Secondly I'm not sure the "rich" acted any differently than us, "poorer" people, when confronting a "homeless' shelter. My area is not "rich", and home owners would be fighting tooth and nail about a "homeless" shelter in their midst. I worked at a State psychiatric hospital. When it was closed, and lots of group homes were envisioned; people fought like hell not to have one next door.
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"the "homeless" do no defecate in the street."

The hell they don't ! Just drive into downtown Cincinnati, just give a 'whiff' around the corners in the business district.....follow your nose for proof .

Some....have the decency? to use a bucket.....many do not.
 
Ok, let's all look at this...…...you are driving thru a big or small city and looking either at homes for sale or apartments for rent. Would you want either in an area where police sirens are heard almost every night and/or a police helicopter is heard overhead at night searching for someone???? I know, without a doubt, I wouldn't want to live in the kind of area.

When I was in EMS, of which it wasn't called that back in the mid 70's, part of my area was Compton, Watts and South Central. My partner was black, tall and muscular and I was dang glad he was. He lived in Compton. Really nice dude, but didn't put up with crap from a patient. Anyway, there were times we'd get a call from a resident living in a Section 8 Housing area and Judd would request a PD escort and got it. If we got a call late at night, in the same type of area, we'd go in with law enforcement in front of us. They'd stick around until we loaded and left.

People chose to live in certain areas for reasons...…..like safety.
 
hollydolly said:
Undesirable and poor, are not necessarily the same thing..

Would you class an old person living on a limited budget an ''undesirable''?... what about a crime Lord or a drug Baron with loads of money and several high end cars?...would he be desirable because he drives a Lexus or a Maserati ?

It's not money that makes people undesirable, it's been said already..it's the actions of people, that they are decent, good people..nothing to do with how little money they have!!
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Holly, people that have money, like you and your husband, would never chose to live in a neighborhood, like the ones we are talking about. Many people that don't have the money you do, have to. Some of them even have to live in fear almost daily, due to crime. Crime can happen in a "upstanding" neighborhood, but compared to low-income neighborhoods, the crime is very, very low.

A lot of Seniors, that don't have good pensions and savings, will tell you directly, "I sure wish I had more money than I do. It would be very nice to catch a plane and take a nice vacation or eat at a nice restaurant at times. I can't do either. It would be really nice to live the good life!"
 
The rich aren't "snooty", they just have the money to have what they want. There are many Seniors, with health problems, that wish they had that kind of money, but don't.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Holly, people that have money, like you and your husband, would never chose to live in a neighborhood, like the ones we are talking about. Many people that don't have the money you do, have to. Some of them even have to live in fear almost daily, due to crime. Crime can happen in a "upstanding" neighborhood, but compared to low-income neighborhoods, the crime is very, very low.
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I understand all of that Cody there's a high homeless population here in the Uk cities too, and also huge swathes of horrible dangerous housing estates dotted throughout the country where even the police won't venture in unless their mob handed... .. my point however, was that you're making the assumption that someone with little or no money is a bad person.. and those with money are decent..and that's simply not the case..
 
hollydolly said:
I understand all of that Cody there's a high homeless population here in the Uk cities too, and also huge swathes of horrible dangerous housing estates dotted throughout the country where even the police won't venture in unless their mob handed... .. my point however, was that you're making the assumption that someone with little or no money is a bad person.. and those with money are decent..and that's simply not the case..
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Agree!
 
Rosemarie said:
The implication seems to be that poor people have lower standards than rich people. This is very often true, though it's hard to understand why. Does being poor make people lose their self-respect?
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Not always (or even mostly) true. Bottom line we are all just humans and some have been more fortunate than others.
 
hollydolly said:
I understand all of that Cody there's a high homeless population here in the Uk cities too, and also huge swathes of horrible dangerous housing estates dotted throughout the country where even the police won't venture in unless their mob handed... .. my point however, was that you're making the assumption that someone with little or no money is a bad person.. and those with money are decent..and that's simply not the case..
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Thing is, Holly, many gang members here in the U.S. come from "little or no money" families and, I'd say, that many people with money are decent. And, definitely not talking about drug dealers with money or any kind of criminal that gets their money from crime. There are lots of folks in the U.S. that have money, can afford to take their family on a nice Disney Cruise, go to Disney World or even take a nice trip to the UK, that are totally decent.

However, there are those that are poor, but aren't bad people, but can be treated as such. It's awful, but just the way the world is.

Do you remember a tv show called Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, starring Robin Leach? I'd idolize that show thinking "dang, wish that was me". Then again, I've always loved getting attention, as the Rich and Famous do. LOL
 

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