What Is A Man? - Esquire's View
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Marlene
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Hmmm, seems like we are talking about two different things. To me there is a world of difference in men roaming while women stay home and being able to agree to disagree without being disrespectful.
Warrigal
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This topic reminded me of the poem written by Robert Burns and I think that I agree with his idea of what makes a man. It has been set to music and a glossary would be helpful. Still, if you listen carefully, you can get the gist. Honesty makes the man.
Nautilus
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That's a ham with cloves, not a turkey.
grahamg
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Ever since that surgery, I feel like a new man.
I can see you point............., but a word of warning, "you might attract the attention of the wrong types"(?)
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grahamg
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Loved the Robbie Burns poem, and beautifully sung too. I thought it quite a socialist interpretation of a man too.
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Warrigal
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Sprung.
grahamg
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You know perhaps what is meant by the term " Man's man", which I think is the sort of man not afraid of being a man, or afraid of much else either, (that's the sort of man my father was, and you'd have to say many women express a desire to be with a man who makes them feel secure).
There was a touch of bullishness about the "Men and dogs were meant to roam etc. " saying I admit, and I'd admit it isn't entirely fair to the "Little woman" who was expected to put up with it, but my father was raised in a different era, with three brothers, and very strong minded parents, so he wasn't going to be short of ego!
["A man knows how to sneak a look at cleavage and doesn't care if he gets busted once in a while."]
What I want to know is how this cleavage gawking makes a man a man? Does that mean any woman who isn't groin gawking isn't worth her salt? Not a real woman if she's not "sizing" him up? I'm just confused as to why a man isn't a man unless he's checking a woman out? A real man wouldn't have to be gawking at us like steak behind the butcher counter. And a real man would be able to deal with a woman that didn't stay home all the time being his maid.
What I want to know is how this cleavage gawking makes a man a man? Does that mean any woman who isn't groin gawking isn't worth her salt? Not a real woman if she's not "sizing" him up? I'm just confused as to why a man isn't a man unless he's checking a woman out? A real man wouldn't have to be gawking at us like steak behind the butcher counter. And a real man would be able to deal with a woman that didn't stay home all the time being his maid.
Marlene
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Ah, but we are still talking about different situations here as I like and prefer men who are unequivocally men. No fellas with gender dysphoria for me, thank you. My father was an example of a manly man, and I have reared my sons to be the same. However, I believe to women, there is a world of difference between "roaming" which signifies cheating, and being a man. Plus, as you will note, most women are not content to be thought of as "little women" even at my size (5'3" and a hefty 117 pounds
. So perhaps it is our syntax over which we disagree as I'm pretty certain your mother (or most likely you either) would not have wanted your father to cheat even if he was the manliest man in town - which I'm certain he was since most of us with manly fathers thought that of our own
grahamg
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Ah, but we are still talking about different situations here as I like and prefer men who are unequivocally men. No fellas with gender dysphoria for me, thank you. My father was an example of a manly man, and I have reared my sons to be the same. However, I believe to women, there is a world of difference between "roaming" which signifies cheating, and being a man. Plus, as you will note, most women are not content to be thought of as "little women" even at my size (5'3" and a hefty 117 pounds
"A faint heart never won a fair lady" was another one of my dads sayings, (he didn't cheat by the way, maybe because he believed in another old saying, too rude to repeat here in full unfortunately, about "A man who fodders well at home not having hay or straw to sell").
We probably have been at cross purposes though generally, I agree.
Gaer
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a real man,in my opinion:
stands behind his word,
has his own value system
has his own moral code
has his own spirituality
has an adventurous spirit
slightly rebel,rough, rugged spirit
not fully tamed and won't be
has dignity,class and his own style
commands respect
confident and stands alone
combination o fstrength and gentleness
bold and unafraid
won't take any crap from anyone
intelligent!
makes his own path and walks it.
stands behind his word,
has his own value system
has his own moral code
has his own spirituality
has an adventurous spirit
slightly rebel,rough, rugged spirit
not fully tamed and won't be
has dignity,class and his own style
commands respect
confident and stands alone
combination o fstrength and gentleness
bold and unafraid
won't take any crap from anyone
intelligent!
makes his own path and walks it.
Lizzie00
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Oh, lots of them have their own moral code...but for sure that’s not gender specific
What’s this ‘little women’ bull chit?
You’ll admit it isn’t entirely fair to the ‘little women?’
What century’ are you speaking of and in what country? Little woman!!!
You’re kidding. Right?
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I like the part where they "had to put up with it."What’s this ‘little women’ bull chit?
You’ll admit it isn’t entirely fair to the ‘little women?’
What century’ are you speaking of and in what country? Little woman!!!
grahamg
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Or they might just be sociopaths masking their weaknesses, (bear that in mind anyway?)?
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grahamg
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No not kidding, wrong, though I am talking a lifetime ago undoubtedly.What’s this ‘little women’ bull chit?
You’ll admit it isn’t entirely fair to the ‘little women?’
What century’ are you speaking of and in what country? Little woman!!!
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grahamg
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The "little woman" my father chose to marry turned out to be pretty tough too, or learned how to be. Not to worry, if you've not met anyone like the ones I'm describing, "I'm sure it ain't held you back none".
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grahamg
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Amongst our UK prime ministers there were some whose wife had an affair, and they "put up with it" until their wife came to love them again towards the end of their life, (Harold Macmillan comes to mind). Sometimes such forbearance can show great strength of character, and the prime minister I mentioned fought in WWI and his fellow troops used his behaviour as an example, and made the remark "to be as brave as Macmillan").
Gaer
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Actually I have, but they are few on the Earth.