What's With All The Suicides?

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Now it's my favorite Food Guru Anthony Bourdain. Just one of the many celebs that have recently committed suicide.
All across the U.S. many teen agers and adults have done it. SEEMS SO STRANGE. What's going on?
 

Welcome back Lon, we missed you.

Regarding suicides, I have to wonder what these folks see when they look in the mirror?
 
With out written statements or videos we will never know.

Could it just be our countries ever looser rules on drugs? I was declared to be and alcoholic during my forties. After a month of retraining in a hospital i was able to end drinking, smoking, and temptations for other possible problems.

Until those folks leave some sort of clues for us, we will never know. A lot of guesswork will go on, but we will never know.
 

Hi Lon how are you doing?

I think it could be an old taboo that is becoming more of a mainstream option for folks as our society continues its slide down the slippery slope.
 
RadishRose said:
It does seem to be a trend- I heard on the news that more people die now via suicide than in car accidents. Very upsetting.
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WoW!...not doubting you for a moment, but that is very hard to believe .


What I find is suicide is # 10....And listed as unintended accidents are #4....and auto accidents [crashes] are lumped in there.
 
More People Die by Suicide Than Car Accidents

By John M. Grohol, Psy.D.
~ 2 min read

https://psychcentral.com/blog/more-people-die-by-suicide-than-car-accidents/

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released statistics yesterday showing that 33,687 people died in motor vehicle accidents, while nearly 5,000 more — 38,364 — died by suicide. Middle-aged Americans are making up the biggest leap in the suicide rate.\\

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/health/suicide-rate-rises-sharply-in-us.html

It is the baby boomer group where we see the highest rates of suicide,” said the C.D.C.’s deputy director, Ileana Arias. “There may be something about that group, and how they think about life issues and their life choices that may make a differe

 
Conflicting sources ? Once again, whom do we believe ? I sometimes believe [agenda] plays a roll in the reported stats ?

I worked a number of years in traffic accident investigations / inspections....and it was / has always been one of the those near the top. I have been out of the biz...for 18 years, I'm sure allot has changed...and my sourcing become rusty...
 
All of the psychologists that I have spoken with tell me that most suicide victims have feelings of hopelessness and the only way for them to stop their pain is to take their life.

Probably most of us have known someone that has committed suicide. I have known a few, but the one that has always bothered me is the Trooper that I worked with. He was a very sociable fellow and someone who was anything, but an introvert.

His father died unexpectedly and for several weeks after that, he seldom interacted with anyone, was always sad and never smiled. His father was his rock. They did most everything together. The Trooper was single, but did have a girlfriend. One day, both his mother and girlfriend called and spoke with our Barrack’s Commander and told him that they thought he may be suicidal.

Before he could be sent to the psychologist for an examination, he went to his Dad’s gravesite and shot himself in the mouth. The local police found him there a day later. Such a tragedy.

The psychologist that came in to speak with us said that suicides are difficult for us to understand and that the tragic part is that they are preventable, if the victim is treated early enough.
 
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RadishRose said:
There are more articles, but too depressing to read just now.
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I'll spare ya the long story but...after the advent of car phones, then cell phones...you may be surprised at the number of 'auto-crash' suicides ? Most [a matter of record due to all calls recorded].....are due to ...I'll call it heart break ?...romances ended? etc.
 
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All of the psychologists that I have spoken with tell me that most suicide victims have feelings of hopelessness and the only way for them to stop their pain is to take their life.

Probanly most of us have known someone that has committed suicide. I have known a few, but the one that has always bothered me is the Trooper that I worked with. He was a very sociable fellow and someone who was anything, but an introvert.

His father died unexpectedly and for several weeks after that, he seldom interacted with anyone, was always sad and never smiled. His father was his rock. They did most everything together. The Trooper was single, but did have a girlfriend. One day, both his mother and girlfriend called and spoke with our Barrack’s Commander and told him that they thought he may be suicidal.

Before he could be sent to the psychologist for an examination, he went to his Dad’s gravesite and shot himself in the mouth. The local police found him there a day later. Such a tragedy.

The psychologist that came in to speak with us said that suicides are difficult for us to understand and that the tragic part is that they are preventable, if the victim is treated early enough.
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Too sad, the poor man!
 
rgp said:
I'll spare ya the long story but...after the advent of car phones, then cell phones...you may be surprised at the number of 'auto-crash' suicides ? Most [a matter of record due to all calls recorded].....are due to ...I'll call it heart break ?...romances ended? etc.
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I think I know what you mean rgp. I knew a gal who tried that - went off the road while drunk after having told the guy on her phone what she was going to do. She didn't die, but got pretty banged up pretty bad, face-swollen, black eyes, neck brace and a sling.
 
rgp said:
I'll spare ya the long story but...after the advent of car phones, then cell phones...you may be surprised at the number of 'auto-crash' suicides ? Most [a matter of record due to all calls recorded].....are due to ...I'll call it heart break ?...romances ended? etc.
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I think I know what you mean rgp. I knew a gal who tried that - went off the road while drunk after having told the guy on her phone what she was going to do. She didn't die, but got banged up pretty bad, face-swollen, black eyes, neck brace and a sling.
 
A kid back in high school did himself in.
A bit of a despicable little critter.
Kids always gave him a raft of shit.
He’d retort with vile, snide remarks.
Always had a sneer like grin on his tiny face.
Dirty, nervous skinny hands.
Easy, very easy to hate.

I didn’t take part in the ridicule of him, but didn’t talk to him either.

He did it by drinking some sorta lethal concoction during Christmas break.
Made me very sad to hear the announcement.

His may be more understandable.

Older folks?

I think of two reasons;
They did something they hid, for a very long time, and it became exposed.
Or
They just cannot live with themselves for any number of possible issues, possibly due to what others think, if they are in any type of limelight, the media might yet again abuse that freedom of speech/press thing.

And if so, that…is truly the saddest of this present society.
 
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Reasons for increased suicide...off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more.

1. Very broken mental health system...VERY broken. i.e. Kate Spade was bi-polar and had tried many times to get help.

2. Very disturbing media that gets more disturbing by the day. TV, movies, video games, gossip magazines, news

3. Marriage and family lacks commitment, support, respect

4. Money, scams, hacking, etc etc....all interconnected. It's a mess.

5. Disconnect with reality due to technology. Example: Texting/email instead of voice connection and handwritten letters

6. Lack of purpose & spiritual meaning, "what's it all about", confusion, believing the world was created from chaos, fear of the unknown

7. Personal Health, lack of insurance....leading to self medication (alcoholism, drug overdoses)

8. Physical and emotional Pain

9. Loss...a loved one, a job, a home, wars, natural disasters

10. Politics...it's a mess...media makes it much worse

11. Genetics

12. All of the above leading to Homelessness...many mental health facilities shutting down, pushing them out on the streets

The National Suicide hotline is 800-273-8255 (for the US)
 
Another reason would be lack of joy in one's life; the person lives an isolated life and feels they don't have a reason to get up in the morning... depression.
 
applecruncher said:
Another reason would be lack of joy in one's life; the person lives an isolated life and feels they don't have a reason to get up in the morning... depression.
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I agree, AC, and it's easy to find yourself more isolated with all the social media to hide behind.
I remember our subdivision used to have block parties years back and that stopped for whatever reason.
Less socialization.
 
CindyLouWho said:
I agree, AC, and it's easy to find yourself more isolated with all the social media to hide behind.
I remember our subdivision used to have block parties years back and that stopped for whatever reason.
Less socialization.
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IMO, that covers allot of our 'problems'? today. I believe that it started years back with the invention / proliferation of A/C...Used to be that folks gathered & socialized on their stoops , or in their backyards in nice weather. That led to 5-6 months or of socializing . Then the comfort of A/C drew them inside...so we now have the occasional "high neighbor" ....that's it!

I know of folks right here where I live that have said, hell, I didn't even know that so & so / this & or that family had moved.

I remember when i was a kid, if someone left the street, all the women stood around on move day & 'boo-hoo'd ' about how much they'll miss ?? And the men all stood around drinking beer sayin'...man we're going to miss ya, etc, stay in touch, etc & so-on .

Now ? IMO...that's a thing of the past.
 
Hi, Lon, nice to see you back with us.

I don't understand suicide, especially in cases where there seems to be no precipitating factor. Of course, with celebrities we never really know them, we just think we do, and who knows what is really going on in their lives behind the scenes.

I've known three people who committed suicide. One of them was a man who shot his wife and then himself, planned it very carefully -- even left his dogs with a family member, saying the couple was going out of town, so the dogs wouldn't suffer until the couple was found. He was a well respected, successful man, in good health and with plenty of money. The couple had been married for many, many years and seemed fine. I had worked with him for years and he was very well liked -- I liked him a lot -- he always seemed happy. No one ever figured out why he made the decision he did.

The second was someone I had also worked with but didn't know as well as I knew the other man, but he seemed happily married and he had a young daughter he adored. One early Saturday morning out of nowhere he drove to a secluded spot and put a pistol in his mouth.

The third was a man who had had severe depression and other mental problems for years and had become increasingly erratic; he had had all kinds of treatment but nothing worked. He had refused hospitalization and wasn't seen by doctors as bad enough to hospitalize involuntarily.
 

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