What's With All This Sexual Harassment Stuff Going On?

Smiling Jane said:
It's all part of rape culture, the belief that men are superior to women and therefore have a right and perhaps even an obligation to prove their superiority. In the workplace, it's sexual harassment. In the streets and on college campuses, it's rape. Victim-blaming is part of rape culture and it's pervasive. I've read some truly despicable things on social media, some of it supposedly written by women.
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I know! I yearn for the day when a true sisterhood among women replaces the atmosphere of competition and disdain which still poisons the attitudes many women hold toward each other.
 

This is not saying that the courts should not protect the ladies from out of line men's actions or of allowing ladies to try to turn their efforts into dressing and acting such that men's actions do get aroused. This out of line activity does have more than just men chasing powerless women as some want to portray it. But that is also one way these things do happen.
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Hey Bob, you trying to start a fight here? ;)

Just in case you're serious, no this behavior is not provoked by the way women dress. I very much doubt that all the thousands of women reporting being touched (or worse) inappropriately were really dressed like hookers
at work.

And even if they were, what's wrong with the men exercising a bit of self-control? Are they human beings, or horny apes?
 

I think we're overlooking the fact that in certain jobs, TV newscasting for example, women are required to dress like BobF described.

I worked for a law firm where a woman was seriously injured because she was wearing stilettos (her husband thought they were sexy). The firm made a dress code rule that prohibited heels more than 1-1/2 inches high. Because I never wore heels, I didn't realize how unusual that was until they did it.

I've heard too many women say if they wanted to be promoted, they had to dress seductively.

Edited to add: Who is requiring women to dress seductively at work? Those same dirty old men who blame women when they drool all over them.

I can't help laughing at the thought of Charlie Rose sitting around naked around his female employees apparently thinking any woman who saw that would desperately want some of it. Rolling my eyes at the delusion.

Time to learn to keep your hands to yourself and act respectfully toward others.
 
WHEW!!! I think I dodged a bullet on this harrassment thing.


I don't live in the seniors community close to where I live but do have friends there. Being an "outsider" one of my friends asked me to judge a wet T shirt contest they were going to have in the community center. I guess the thought was because I didn't live in the community I'd be fair & impartial,


As you all may know size, shape, fullness are criteria for judging. I declined judging because lifting those breasts to check could easily cause me to be accused of fondling.


Anyone take notice the men accused all seem to be a 2 or less on the scale of being good looking?
 
It's been going one since forever! Kings, emperors, landlords, teachers, clergymen, anyone at any time in the world's history that had an advantage to help a woman, has used that position to force himself upon her.

Agree, only the tip of the iceberg.
 
Sunny said:
Hey Bob, you trying to start a fight here? ;)

Just in case you're serious, no this behavior is not provoked by the way women dress. I very much doubt that all the thousands of women reporting being touched (or worse) inappropriately were really dressed like hookers
at work.

And even if they were, what's wrong with the men exercising a bit of self-control? Are they human beings, or horny apes?
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My response to your point is that maybe it is also time for some women to start showing some self control when dressing.

I worked for a very large corporation for most of my work years and their public image during those years was nice and conservative. Not so these days. Clothing for all was conservative. Men wore business suits or more casual dress jackets and and all with ties. Ladies were also considered to dress conservative. I doubt that today's fashions would be allowed with that management of those days.

Not saying that some men just have less than conservative ideas as do some of our women. It is not a men only problem.

Today it is OK for two folks to just agree to live together and then split and go their own ways. I am not a church goer but do see some good thinking from many that do follow religious ideas.

If we are just talking about rape, no problem. Call the COP's. Being whistled at and hearing suggestive comments is just the way some folks are looking for by the way they are dressing and acting themselves.

It is not just a bunch of bad men on the prowl.
 
If a man can't keep his hands to himself however she is dressed or undressed, he should not be allowed out of the house without a caretaker.

A man should be able and IS able to control himself. No more of this "boys will be boys" crap.
 
RadishRose said:
If a man can't keep his hands to himself however she is dressed or undressed, he should not be allowed out of the house without a caretaker.

A man should be able and IS able to control himself. No more of this "boys will be boys" crap.
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Does this mean a man should not admire a lady for looking good and stylish? A whistle or a comment for example. No hands on or efforts to cause submission? Where is the line?
 
BobF said:
Does this mean a man should not admire a lady for looking good and stylish? A whistle or a comment for example. No hands on or efforts to cause submission? Where is the line?
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It means what I wrote.

I said nothing about admiration. That is not the topic.

I don't believe you don't know the difference.
 
Knight said:
WHEW!!! I think I dodged a bullet on this harrassment thing.


I don't live in the seniors community close to where I live but do have friends there. Being an "outsider" one of my friends asked me to judge a wet T shirt contest they were going to have in the community center. I guess the thought was because I didn't live in the community I'd be fair & impartial,


As you all may know size, shape, fullness are criteria for judging. I declined judging because lifting those breasts to check could easily cause me to be accused of fondling.


Anyone take notice the men accused all seem to be a 2 or less on the scale of being good looking?
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Yup, I'd sooner kiss a warthog than that Weinstein guy.
 
Sunny said:
Hey Bob, you trying to start a fight here? ;)

Just in case you're serious, no this behavior is not provoked by the way women dress. I very much doubt that all the thousands of women reporting being touched (or worse) inappropriately were really dressed like hookers
at work.

And even if they were, what's wrong with the men exercising a bit of self-control? Are they human beings, or horny apes?
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It's the ago-old excuse "I just couldn't help myself." Horsepuckey!! NO matter what a woman is wearing, it doesn't make her fair game -- EVER! If a woman sees you have a big fat wallet , does it give her the right to steal it? No. Same goes. Geez!
 
Butterfly said:
It's the ago-old excuse "I just couldn't help myself." Horsepuckey!! NO matter what a woman is wearing, it doesn't make her fair game -- EVER! If a woman sees you have a big fat wallet , does it give her the right to steal it? No. Same goes. Geez!
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I want all others to be proud of how I look in our latest fashions, the girl tells herself. But if someone whistles or others start saying things about how I look, then I am being harassed unfairly and want them arrested. Or if you prefer, just buy me off with a few million dollars and I will go somewhere else. This is what it appears to have happened at one of our leading TV broadcasters. One after another suddenly gone, and some were pretty good announcers too. We now have an almost knew bunch leading the programs. Those accused are still claiming to have done nothing personal or wrong. No rapes claimed, just harassed.

Time to end so much of this nonsense and just blaming the men. If there were no women wanting to look good there would be no men telling them so.

Folks with claims and justification seem to be OK while it seems many are just fence sitters trying to make an issue with no justifications.

These charges need to be brought up in court if really wanting changes made.
 
BobF said:
I want all others to be proud of how I look in out latest fashions, the girl tells herself. But if someone whistles or others start saying things about how I look, then I am being harassed unfairly and want them arrested. Or if you prefer, just buy me off with a few million dollars and I will go somewhere else. This is what it appears to have happened at one of our leading TV broadcasters. One after another suddenly gone, and some were pretty good announcers too. We now have an almost knew bunch leading the programs. Those accused are still claiming to have done nothing personal or wrong. No rapes claimed, just harassed.

Time to end so much of this nonsense and just blaming the men. If there were no women wanting to look good there would be no men telling them so.

Folks with claims and justification seem to be OK while it seems many are just fence sitters trying to make an issue with no justifications.

These charges need to be brought up in court if really wanting changes made.
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Bob, please stop trivializing sexual harassment.
 
Lon said:
Is it like a contagious disease?Or did some one just start the thought and others picked up on it. I really can't believe it's to the extent that we are reading about in the press.
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Way-to-go Lon, you really know how to p!$$ off the women here, and make all the men look like idiots.

...like throwing Molotov cocktails into a crowded street, then sitting back and watching chaos ensue...:rolleyes:
 
BobF,

"If there were no women wanting to look good there would be no men telling them so."

Bob, This is not the issue!!!

Read from the beginning and stop deliberately trying to twist the issue into something else. Or start another thread.
 
tnthomas said:
Way-to-go Lon, you really know how to p!$$ off the women here, and make all the men look like idiots.

...like throwing Molotov cocktails into a crowded street, then sitting back and watching chaos ensue...:rolleyes:
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Thomas, that's our Lon; a self-admitted pot-stirrer and very well practiced at it. We all bite. LOL, he's like a drop of tabasco on the eggs, in case things get dull...

Hey, maybe BobF is, too.. argument for argument's sake. That's ok, we are all of our own minds in the end. Not ALL men are idiots, just......many. But times, they are a-changing. Someday, women will even take back the night!
 
RadishRose said:
BobF,

"If there were no women wanting to look good there would be no men telling them so."

Bob, This is not the issue!!!

Read from the beginning and stop deliberately trying to twist the issue into something else. Or start another thread.
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So far you have avoided the issue entirely. It is about false claims against many folks but no charges filed in the courts. Sounds a lot like a big fraud going on.

If forceful sex or rape then get the police involved. If no charges that can go to court then no reason for all this repeating nonsense over and over. Find a real cause and let this phony one go, or find some real charges and get the police and courts involved.

Look now, even a bunch of Democrats involved. No longer just a one sided political battle. Now both sides are involved. If some of the accusers can bring some folks into court we can discuss them for sure. For all those that can't or won't bring issues into the courts, then who is lieing and who might be telling the truth.

Fairness is the claim. I agree, the men need just as much fairness as the ladies do.
 
The police don't always get involved, Bob. The great majority of female victims have been too frightened to stand up.

"get the police and courts involved. " ? The courts with mostly male judges, of the "boys will be boys" genre? Like Judge "Can't- Blame- A- Guy- For- Trying" Pickett of CT? Yes he really said that.

These "boys" need to act like adults finally, or serve time. But since I don't wish to bang my head on the keyboard Bob, I'll agree to disagree. I'll say no more of this to you, and Happy Thanksgiving.
 
RadishRose said:
The police don't always get involved, Bob. The great majority of female victims have been too frightened to stand up.

"get the police and courts involved. " ? The courts with mostly male judges, of the "boys will be boys" genre? Like Judge "Can't- Blame- A- Guy- For- Trying" Pickett of CT? Yes he really said that.

These "boys" need to act like adults finally, or serve time. But since I don't wish to bang my head on the keyboard Bob, I'll agree to disagree. I'll say no more of this to you, and Happy Thanksgiving.
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And you still have not really faced the issues at all. If no charges can be made then they did not happen. Period. It is not boys out of control anymore than girls out of control. All of this hateful evil men nonsense should end. Get the ladies to bring charges and then you will be able to say who is wrong and why. Till then there is no bad men to be afraid of. I consider following today's fashions to be bad for the ladies if those fashions lead to unwanted harassment. Maybe a bit of conservatism might help those easy to offend ladies.

I hope this is just about the end of the press making such big deals out of nothing and we get back into fairness for all. That would be a real experience for many of us in the US.

Your comments about the judges would likely be true if they are mostly of the liberal thinking types. We need more and better judges than what we have in some of our courts.
 
BobF said:
And you still have not really faced the issues at all. If no charges can be made then they did not happen. Period. It is not boys out of control anymore than girls out of control. All of this hateful evil men nonsense should end. Get the ladies to bring charges and then you will be able to say who is wrong and why. Till then there is no bad men to be afraid of. I consider following today's fashions to be bad for the ladies if those fashions lead to unwanted harassment. Maybe a bit of conservatism might help those easy to offend ladies.

I hope this is just about the end of the press making such big deals out of nothing and we get back into fairness for all. That would be a real experience for many of us in the US.

Your comments about the judges would likely be true if they are mostly of the liberal thinking types. We need more and better judges than what we have in some of our courts.
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It's not about fashion. It takes a certain kind of man to sexually harass and rape. It's about power for those men. Many women and girls are afraid to report it at the time. They are traumatized and sometimes cannot even function after it happens! For a long time, too, sometimes most of the rest of their life. Many of them have to have counseling for a real long time and some never get it because they feel so ashamed of what happened to them and blame themselves. It is not their fault, though, at all!! Most of them get PTSD and that's just how bad it is!
 
Ruthanne said:
It's not about fashion. It takes a certain kind of man to sexually harass and rape. It's about power for those men. Many women and girls are afraid to report it at the time. They are traumatized and sometimes cannot even function after it happens! For a long time, too, sometimes most of the rest of their life. Many of them have to have counseling for a real long time and some never get it because they feel so ashamed of what happened to them and blame themselves. It is not their fault, though, at all!! Most of them get PTSD and that's just how bad it is!
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Yes. Yes. Yes. I have seen so many lives crippled/destroyed by this type of violence.
 

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