White police officer who killed innocent black man in his home

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I think this gives some credence to the idea that you just can't haul off and shoot someone because you are "afraid". Even if you thought you were at your own "locked"apartment door, it was unlocked. Once you entered, it wasn't your apartment. It wasn't your furniture. The Black occupant was sitting there, in front of a TV, eating ice cream. There were the usual claims of a threatening Black man, who was attacking with "something" in his hands. But the pattern of bullets proved the man was seated when shot. Again, as usual, there were racist quips on the officers phone, with a "not racist" after each. As someone put it, "another trigger happy cop killing an innocent Black man." Personally, I wouldn't go that far. I think the jury found that when you have a weapon, you can't use it just because you are merely afraid.

.https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/01/opinions/guyger-murder-conviction-in-botham-jean-shoot
 

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fuzzybuddy said:
I think this gives some credence to the idea that you just can't haul off and shoot someone because you are "afraid". Even if you thought you were at your own "locked"apartment door, it was unlocked. Once you entered, it wasn't your apartment. It wasn't your furniture. The Black occupant was sitting there, in front of a TV, eating ice cream. There were the usual claims of a threatening Black man, who was attacking with "something" in his hands. But the pattern of bullets proved the man was seated when shot. Again, as usual, there were racist quips on the officers phone, with a "not racist" after each. As someone put it, "another trigger happy cop killing an innocent Black man." Personally, I wouldn't go that far. I think the jury found that when you have a weapon, you can't use it just because you are merely afraid.

.https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/01/opinions/guyger-murder-conviction-in-botham-jean-shoot
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Why do you use a capital b when typing the word "black"?
 
I think murder was a strong charge. Not sure about Texas law, but usually a murder charge implies intent? I can't see where she displayed intent....Trigger-happy? maybe, her mind being on her texts ? [perhaps] but murder? I would have thought more along the line of manslaughter .

Sad damn case for all around....particularly the victim of course. But we have now two lives destroyed, & two families, that will likely never be the same.
 
I use a "B" because Black is the proper name of a race. I use "W" when using White also a proper name. And this case has relatively little to do with the Dallas PD. She shot him, solely for being in her "apartment". She walked into an apartment and hauled off and shot a guy , sitting and eating ice cream. Over and over she repeated in the 911 call, that she shot him because he was in her apartment. He was just there and she shot him. If she opened any other door in the complex and saw somebody, she would have shot them, because she mistakenly thought it was her apartment. She stated she opened the door and immediately shot him. She said nothing about the threatening Black man, who was attacking her with something in his hands, until after she talked to other police. And that's when she became "afraid".
As far as her being a cop, she was able to effectively perform her duties for the 14 previous hours as a decorated officer in an advanced unit. but then becomes bubble headed nitwit, who can't find her own apartment, and is afraid of the big Black man. One of these senarios is not true.
 
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I thought that the murder charge was appropriate because she chose to stand her ground and shoot without confronting the unarmed man or retreating to safety and calling for assistance. I also thought that she should never have been allowed to be a police officer after I saw the film footage of her hysterical behavior while on the 911 call and her lack of offering any assistance or concern over her victim as he bled out on the floor.
 
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I think murder was a strong charge. Not sure about Texas law, but usually a murder charge implies intent? I can't see where she displayed intent....Trigger-happy? maybe, her mind being on her texts ? [perhaps] but murder? I would have thought more along the line of manslaughter .

Sad damn case for all around....particularly the victim of course. But we have now two lives destroyed, & two families, that will likely never be the same.
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This gets a bit tricky trying to explain why intent can be proved in this case. Just as a side note, she did intend to kill the person she thought to be an intruder. Whether it be intentional, reckless or negligent, intent was established in this case.

Intent doesn’t always mean what most people think it means. She may not have meant to kill this man because she stated that it was an accident, but she did intend to kill him when he came towards her. There are different degrees of “intent.”

If 2 men are walking down the street and you wanted to kill the man on the left, but killed the man on the right, you did intend to kill, period.

Pennsylvania law is probably different from Texas law, so I am going to stop here.
 
Okay, the apt. building have identical hallways, identical doors, she lived on 4th floor, got off on 3rd floor.
I hate those places where human beings live in identical apt., get feelings of bee hive rather than a site where humans live.
I had some empathy for the cop, UNTIL film clip showed a RED Door Mat outside the victims apt.
That was only doormat shown of this floor, their may have been other doormats down the hallway, but we only got to see the three or four
apts in the immediate vicinity.
Yes, she may have been tired, yes she was involved in a routine behavior, BUT she did not have a doormat outside her apt.
For me that was the clincher!
If you wear a gun on your hip, that is a statement 'I will shoot you.' Unfortunately, in our society that has become necessary.
That does not mean 'open season.'

It is just another damn mess that a human beings got herself involved in-No she did not intended to kill anyone, but a man is dead:
a man without guilt.
It is not Murder I, it is not manslaughter, it is just a damn mess.
There's a grieving family out there...
The jury had determined the verdict as Guilty! The judge will determine the punishment: Your Call?
 
First of all, I'm very sorry for the dead man....He was innocent sitting in his apartment eating ice cream on his coach...(That's the story I read)
Also, for his family....It's a very sad story....
I know this is here say, but why would'nt she pull her gun out and just say, "Your under arrest you are in my apartment"....Didn't she see probably the man had different furniture..
I don't care if she had a hard day at work.....We all had hard day's at work!!!!!!
We lived in an apartment many years ago, after we were married....It was a complex...all the same apartment's....I was tired too!!!!
But I didn't open someone's apartment and I don't carry a gun....
She deserves to be in jail....Just because she was a police woman she should not be trigger happy!!!!!!!
If I was the Judge, she has to have some kind of Jail time....(Maybe for many years)……….(So I'm a fresh person)… especially if she shot one
of my family for nothing....
 
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And about that "mistaken apartment" lame story. I don't know about y'all, but I recognize my own furniture and things. :rolleyes: That poor young man, just sitting there in his own home, eating ice cream when his life is taken for NO reason. He was only 27 years old.
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I agree, CM... but if it's not true about the mistaken apartment, then what was the motive?

The prosecution presented as evidence a few racist texts from her phone. That's not evidence of murder IMO.

What motivated her to go into his apartment knowing it was not hers, and shoot the poor man?
 
First why didn't she used her taser as she had it on her belt. The Houston news said that she got 10 years with no parole granted. So she will serve the 10 years period. I hoped she would get 20 but that's okay. Text messages were released today showing she was a racist. Several times she made remarks about serving with black cops and how it was different than serving with white cops. Sexual texts were also released between her and her former partner. It is a sad day when you cannot eat ice cream in your own home peacefully. The texts show she was prejudiced where black people are concerned. She should have gotten more years in my opinion. But it is my opinion only. I have heard it all with a brother recently retired from the Miami PD!
 
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I thought that the murder charge was appropriate because she chose to stand her ground and shoot without confronting the unarmed man or retreating to safety and calling for assistance. I also thought that she should never have been allowed to be a police officer after I saw the film footage of her hysterical behavior while on the 911 call and her lack of offering any assistance or concern over her victim as he bled out on the floor.
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Saw the video and thought the same thing. She paced the outside hallway and never made an attempt to help him. As a cop, she would've known the importance of holding pressure on a wound.
 
C'est Moi said:
And about that "mistaken apartment" lame story. I don't know about y'all, but I recognize my own furniture and things. :rolleyes: That poor young man, just sitting there in his own home, eating ice cream when his life is taken for NO reason. He was only 27 years old.
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I totally agree. I’ve lived in apartment complexes and while the overall ‘set up’ is identical, people’s furniture and lay out is usually completely different.

I’ve almost walked into someone else’s apartment but the moment that door opened I instantly knew it wasn’t mine. My place looks uniquely my own.

There is no way I could mistaken someone else’s apartment for my own, especially if the owner was sitting in it. My FIRST instinct is to realize this isn’t mine, not who is intruding.

I’m not sure what her motive was but for some reason I think she had a grudge against this guy. Maybe he dragged his furniture across the floor numerous times and she had been waiting years for him to move and he hadn’t.

Nobody knows what her intentions were but this story has too many holes in it to be believable.
The poor guy. Sitting there, minding his own business eating ice cream in his own living room.

Who expects to be shot like this?
Nobody. How sad.
 
Dallas, Texas Yep. ten years does not seem to be appropriate: you cannot escape the fact there is a dead man, that was in his his apt. eating ice cream, in his home.
All you have to do is imagine your son/daughter dead under the same circumstances: your verdict would be?
 
Okay, the apt. building have identical hallways, identical doors, she lived on 4th floor, got off on 3rd floor.
I hate those places where human beings live in identical apt., get feelings of bee hive rather than a site where humans live.
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OK, first of all, Jerry, as a person who lives in one of those bee hives, I can guarantee that no one in his/her right mind would think somebody else's apartment is their own, just because the apartments have the same floor layout. As soon as anyone moves in, the apartments have different wall colors, floor coverings, and totally different furniture. Window blinds are different; art work on the walls is different. They look as different from each other as any other houses look.

She may have had a grudge and was looking for an excuse to kill this guy, or maybe she was drunk or off her rocker on some drug or other. But she clearly had no "excuse" on earth to shoot him!
 
Changing topic:
Double RR: In your part of the world:
Seven dead in WW II B-29, another damn mess...demands that all WW II planes be grounded until they examined to determine if there air worthy.
 
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I have now heard that she will be able to apply for parole after 5 years. So I am not sure which is correct. Personally I think she should serve the entire 10 years without the possibility of parole.
 

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