Why Europe (or the US) Will Never Solve Mass Immigration

David777

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This person since the Counterculture era, has often with a broad stroke, criticized the military industrial complex, Western corporations, specially those in Wall Street since I am a USA citizen. I am no authority on immigration, colonialism, neocolonialism, oil politics, or political corruption in third world countries.

Oh, I read about such things as a young adult, but rarely since, as this peon hides his self from things far beyond my ability to have any effects on. I have no political stripes or philosophies or answers, but simply dislike most of it. As I see it, the human world continues in a downward spiral exacerbated by endless growth and development and population growth towards total destruction or a dystopian future.

To understand my perception, one might watch the below 28 minute Youtube video. Please refrain from name any political parties or politicians.

In recent years, given wars and conflicts I blame on USA neoconservatives and the like in other wealth driven Western powers, the result is especially playing out in illegal immigration. Wealth driven economic and political powers of course point immigration issues at everywhere but at themselves. And of course they don't want to give up their wealth sources especially regarding oil so it will only get worse. Nor their thirst for unskilled immigrants to keep wages low that is especially the situation in the USA.

Why Europe Will Never Solve Mass Immigration

 

There needs to be a change of mindset. 'White' countries are successful because of the way their economies are run. There is no reason why other countries couldn't be just as successful. They just need to change their way of doing things. If they envy our lifestyle, all they have to do is copy it.
 
Are you suggesting that we impoverish ourselves deliberately to be less appealing to immigrants?
 

Lavinia said:
There needs to be a change of mindset. 'White' countries are successful because of the way their economies are run. There is no reason why other countries couldn't be just as successful. They just need to change their way of doing things. If they envy our lifestyle, all they have to do is copy it.
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It is often their religion preventing this. Unacceptance of women (ignoring half the talent of the nation), gays, etc. will always keep them in the 'Dark Ages.'
 
Pepper said:
It is often their religion preventing this. Unacceptance of women (ignoring half the talent of the nation), gays, etc. will always keep them in the 'Dark Ages.'
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Keeping 50% of your population limited in what they can accomplish does put a damper on economic growth.
 
Humans have two legs and use them. Humans started out in the middle of Africa, and they began moving, eventually humans inhabited islands thousands of miles out in the vast ocean. So, locals have been irritated by "foreigners" moving in for Melenia. The "locals" forget that once they were the "foreigners". While locals aren't thrilled about foreigners, within a few generations those foreigners are now "locals". The human population shifting around is normal and inevitable.
 
chic said:
Are you suggesting that we impoverish ourselves deliberately to be less appealing to immigrants?
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In fact this wouldn't be a good idea. We must stop giving them money and force them to work for being able to pay for their own living. And of course, every immigrant who gets in conflict with the law, and be it only a speeding fine, should be pushed out and remigrate to his/her country.
 
Please watch the video at the Youtube link and not within the post as that hot link has been blocked.

Note, I won't respond to anyone that doesn't actually watch the video and is just responding to the little I summarized about my own perspective because that otherwise has little substance. Much of this has to do with oil and extraction corps and their politics, the invisible 800 pound gorilla, that will do anything to deflect blame elsewhere.
 
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I'll watch it. But the reason is in your last sentences: "And of course they don't want to give up their wealth sources especially regarding oil so it will only get worse. Nor their thirst for unskilled immigrants to keep wages low that is especially the situation in the USA."
 
If one Youtube searches with "european immigration crisis", one will see a long list of troubling recent news videos across all EU nations as citizen attitudes have drastically changed while puppet politicians on the strings of corporations increasingly squirm. Below is just one worthwhile recent 12:38 minute Youtube video. Again it doesn't address the root cause involvement of corporation neocolonialism.

 
The video is a long winded confirmation that there is never a perfect balance of power and never will be. Hell, these same struggles take place in the West that is nirvana according to the narrator. Two human attributes will always be exploited. Physical and mental weakness vs prowess. A global economic balance means mediocrity. Some will always seek an improvement which leads to others being left behind. Maybe AI/Robotics will, one day, remove the human element.
 
One very important place to start is having the United Nations remove the United States from the Security Counsel. It is repeatedly vetoing agreements meant to end neocolonialism. The world at large now knows of what actions the U.S. and a hand full of nations have taken to let the spread of western dominance and strategic control of resources. Replace the U.S. with a country that has the worlds need for all countries to have their own national sovereignty.
 
David777 said:
Please watch the video at the Youtube link and not within the post as that hot link has been blocked.

Note, I won't respond to anyone that doesn't actually watch the video and is just responding to the little I summarized about my own perspective because that otherwise has little substance. Much of this has to do with oil and extraction corps and their politics, the invisible 800 pound gorilla, that will do anything to deflect blame elsewhere.
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The video has been disabled by the owner
 
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Pish tosh.

We've known for decades that this process was being engineered by globalists. The intent is to eradicate the middle class and increase income inequality, growing a large but managed population of serfs toiling beneath a neofeudal aristocracy. It's a rebirth of colonialism within the confines of a finite planet.

The tools include the eugenics of radical feminism to undermine the family unit and informed democratic governance unhobbled by excessive emotionalism; hyper-urbanization to free up land for exploitation and massive estates; offshoring manufacturing, mining, resource exploitation, and pollution; excessive immigration; bank-mediated "remittancing" programs to encourage emigration rather than the development of local economies naturally; disinformation via consolidated multinational corporate and pseudo-national media under the thumb of despotic rule; religious complicity; "education" to instill "right thinking"; and on and on.

Core to this is depopulation of the citizenry through those mechanisms. Asian nations are on the vanguard of this, but the rest of the world isn't far behind now.

Much of this is enumerated, described, admitted, and praised in talks such as:

The Coming Global Depopulation | Nicholas Eberstadt | John Bonython Lecture

Basic skills, literacy, and intelligence are all falling dramatically among the masses under this program.
 
David777 said:
As I see it, the human world continues in a downward spiral exacerbated by endless growth and development and population growth towards total destruction or a dystopian future.
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As a species we are in danger of exhausting our 'Petri dish', i.e. the world. If each nation is thought of as its own Petri dish then it is clear that those starving in the first dishes to be exhausted will look for resources in their neighbor's dish. Collapse is likely coming on many fronts.
 
dilettante said:
The tools include.... hyper-urbanization to free up land for exploitation and massive estates; offshoring manufacturing, mining, resource exploitation, and pollution; excessive immigration; bank-mediated "remittancing" programs to encourage emigration rather than the development of local economies naturally; disinformation via consolidated multinational corporate and pseudo-national media under the thumb of despotic rule; religious complicity; "education" to instill "right thinking"; and on and on.
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I can agree with a lot of what you're saying there. I strongly believe in the mutual benefit, personal & household responsibility, creativity, and everyday kindness that are potential and possible outcomes of functioning local economies. I hate to see that disappear, even when I admit to myself that no social or economic human arrangement is perfect.
 
 
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One cannot view YouTube videos within our forum with those common blocking black screens. Instead select the "Watch on YouTube" link it displays that takes one to the actual YouTube site page and watch it there.

Commercial websites often do that because they otherwise don't receive visitor click counts. Best to right mouse select the YouTube link as Open in New Tab so one doesn't loose our page.
 
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Until/Unless the populations in South/Central America and Africa begin to decline, and the governments in those nations become far less corrupt, Europe, and North America will continue to see huge numbers of immigrants trying to find a better life. The primary "exports" in South/Central America are illegal drugs and human trafficking, If present trends continue, Spanish will replace English in many parts of the US.
 
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