Would also like to say I despise most Rap and Hip Hop Music

I can endure the non-hate, less cussing constant Beat of Blame music.
No one group of musicians actually has to play it. It can be pre-recorded.
Many singer songwriters are doing it today / they record parts of it for you as they
prepare to deliver the song live. . Bands are a thing of the past for most all modern
music recorded tracts now. These young generals do not need the hate of all of them druggies.
 

Nathan said:
I used to like Country, back when they had real Country artists, and not the plastic, cross over garbage like Kid Rock and other all-sound-alike music employees of County Music Industry.
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Nashville decided to accept more genera music types to build Nashville hype. Some Country works well with the sound. Again its the Artists trying the stuff on stage. Who likes Jaz? Who loves Soul? See?

 
I'm so glad that all those fantastic crooners and ballad singers from the 30s, the 40s and 50s recorded their songs.... otherwise, I'd have nothing worthwhile to listen to. šŸ˜Š
 

VintageBetter said:
Sorry. You wanna call women ā€œb**chesā€ and ā€œh**ā€ I cannot agree with your ā€œartā€.

Iā€™m saying this today on the eve of the convention because Iā€™m sooo afraid this is the message we will get this week - that all Hip Hop and Rap are wonderful, we should feed it to our grandchildren, and ainā€™t all ā€œartā€ great?

Would they make this message with say, Bach or Beethoven? No, because those dead guys are not trying to SELL RECORDS.

This is the other reason I will not be watching this week-long commercial. Itā€™s just like the Olympics. Every time they showed a celebrity in the audience they were doing a Free Commercial for them. I will not be watching this week-long commercial.

Where is the badly needed new infrastructure in MY area? Oh, itā€™s ā€œon the wayā€? What year? 2030? That is my question for all of these wealthy people: show me your work - show it to me IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
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You know, I've written many times on how important music is in my life. I've been buying music since the 60's. I've been through pop, rock, avant garde. Lots of trends and failed experiments. Music has never been something I haven't been spending money on.

Some music took my forever to appreciate. For example, Opera. It took me decades to get into that. I enjoy it now, but for the longest time........

And so Rap and Hip Hop...... I was aware of it back in the 1980's when it started to become popular. A friend of mine was into it. I didn't get it at all. It's not the words they use, it's just bad music. (IMO). All these years later, I'm still not getting it. It's horrible to listen to. I prefer white noise. I can only say *I* don't like it, because plenty of other people do. But damn, it's rubbish. My ears and brain just can't find pleasure there. Mind, I'm also not the target demographic.
 
The thing that makes it hard for me to enjoy is I rarely can understand all the words. I am impressed at how they can use words so well and intertwine them with the rhythm. I have heard rap from about every country in the world, all in their own language. It has a massive cultural influence also. It has been popular for the longest time also. It wasn't just a fad. The independent artists of today use the the style all the time. I am wondering if it will ever start losing it's appeal. I can't think of any other genre that has taken it's place in modern times. I don't think Taylor Swift's style has done it.
 
Well at least you did say "most" and not all. The type of Rap that denigrates women was promoted from back in the day when my son first became a Hip Hop/Rap producer. Neither of us appreciate Raps that use vulgar language and denigrate anybody. During the late 80s and early 90s, my son was in two Rap groups, which he produced and one of which I managed for a while. I traveled with them on their gigs and they were always well received, even by a couple of popular radio deejays, one of whom couldn't believe my son recorded the songs on an 8 track.

We quickly found out that the big wigs in the music industry weren't particularly interested in promoting positive Rap, although some artists, like Kool Moe Dee, DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince, Queen Latifah, M.C. Hammer, The Sugar Hill Gang and KRS One, became popular. At the time, the studio heads were White and pushing negative Rap. IMO that just added to the negative perception of Black men and women.

Unfortunately, that became the label of the Hip Hop culture and soon Black music moguls were doing the same thing because it was all about making money and just like the news...negativity sells. Some of the above named artists were self produced or produced by Black producers however. The music industry is rough...I personally know exceptionally talented artists who have left big companies and went independent because of that.

Both of the groups my son was in, wrote with and produced, recorded positive Rap songs in our studio. Only one song was released but I've been saying for the longest the others are timeless and still should be released. The song that was released encouraged staying in school, staying away from drugs and crime and not letting your environmental circumstances prevent you from making it in life. The group noted that's how they lived and they "made it".

Another song written and recorded by my Honorary Son (HS) is about an old woman who rides the bus every morning, named Ms Sabrina. The young man who rides with her enjoys gleaning knowledge from their conversations but Ms. Sabrina otherwise feels overlooked and unappreciated. He lets her know he's looking forward to more of their conversations so he can gain more knowledge. My HS's words reflect that we as a culture should cherish the elderly. In the end, the young man is saddened to learn Ms Sabrina wasn't on the bus because she had died and he'll never get to talk with her again.

There have been many young writers and rappers who have worked on projects in our studio and I learned to appreciate Rap for what it is....poetry based on what these young people have seen and experienced. Many of the songs contain lessons. One of the songs from one of my son's groups is about being incarcerated. A couple of the group members went to jail and they wrote about it as a warning not to get caught up in a life of crime because you will pay the price and it ain't nice (my words, not words used in the song).

@Radish Rose...Wait...Coolio is dead?!!! Did I know that? :oops:
 
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I don't like Rap, & all, nor Country, Southern music. I'm stuck in the 60s &70s. I remember Tipper Gore running around screaming about the horrible lyrics of songs that were warping the minds of our children. Remember the "warning labels"? Now, those very same songs are our Golden Oldies. Some music has to have an edge. In the 50s, you were going to hell if you saw "Elvis The Pelvis" on TV. Today you have "bitches".
 
Meant to say...I can't stand Jamaican Rap! I don't care if it's positive or not, there's something about the way their voices sound. It grates on my nerves every time I hear it. šŸ˜– I imagine that's how some people feel about other types of Rap.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Well at least you did say "most" and not all. The type of Rap that denigrates women was promoted from back in the day when my son first became a Hip Hop/Rap producer. Neither of us appreciate Raps that use vulgar language and denigrate anybody. During the late 80s and early 90s, my son was in two Rap groups, which he produced and one of which I managed for a while. I traveled with them on their gigs and they were always well received, even by a couple of popular radio deejays, one of whom couldn't believe my son recorded the songs on an 8 track.

We quickly found out that the big wigs in the music industry weren't particularly interested in promoting positive Rap, although some artists, like Kool Moe Dee, DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince, Queen Latifah, M.C. Hammer, The Sugar Hill Gang and KRS One, became popular. At the time, the studio heads were White and pushing negative Rap. IMO that just added to the negative perception of Black men and women.

Unfortunately, that became the label of the Hip Hop culture and soon Black music moguls were doing the same thing because it was all about making money and just like the news...negativity sells. Some of the above named artists were self produced or produced by Black producers however. The music industry is rough...I personally know exceptionally talented artist who have left big companies and went independent because of that.

Both of the groups my son was in, wrote with and produced, recorded positive Rap songs in our studio. Only one song was released but I've been saying for the longest the others are timeless and still should be released. The song that was released encouraged staying in school, staying away from drugs and crime and not letting your environmental circumstances prevent you from making it in life. The group noted that's how they lived and they "made it".

Another song written and recorded by my Honorary Son (HS) is about an old woman who rides the bus every morning, named Ms Sabrina. The young man who rides with her enjoys gleaning knowledge from their conversations but Ms. Sabrina otherwise feels overlooked and unappreciated. He lets her know he's looking forward to more of their conversations so he can gain more knowledge. My HS's words reflect that we as a culture should cherish the elderly. In the end, the young man is saddened to learn Ms Sabrina wasn't on the bus because she had died and he'll never get to talk with her again.

There have been many young writers and rappers who have worked on projects in our studio and I learned to appreciate Rap for what it is....poetry based on what these young people have seen and experienced. Many of the songs contain lessons. One of the songs from one of my son's groups is about being incarcerated. A couple of the group members went to jail and they wrote about it as a warning not to get caught up in a life of crime because you will pay the price and it ain't nice (my words, not words used in the song).

@Radish Rose...Wait...Coolio is dead?!!! Did I know that? :oops:
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Yes Diva, Coolio died on Sept. 28, 2022, at a friend's home in Los Angeles. Drug overdose. R.I.P.
 
Don't feel strongly about the long list of different music genres I never listen except to be clear... DISCO SUCKs

Otherwise there are significant amounts of popular music I have apparently avoided by over decades not subscribing to cable television, listening to radio, or in this era, streaming services, or post smartphone social media. Many supposed music celebrities I see in news headlines, I have no clue of who, what, when, where they are.

List of murdered hip hop musicians - Wikipedia
 
Della said:
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Ray Charles on rap: "ā€œYou have to remember Iā€™m a musician, so rap doesnā€™t do anything for me; I canā€™t learn anything from it. Rap is like reciting poetry--I could do that when I was 7. All you have to do is match (the words) with the rhythm. Thatā€™s nothing. Thatā€™s [expletive]."
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I agree with Charles. Rap and HipHop are technically music, but they aren't singing.
It's chant. Any fool can learn to recite words rhythmically. It's another sign of nihilism in modern times.
 
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