Would you open your home to a refuge family?

Very sad... and I agree, we need to do something about it... so why are we cutting unemployment benefits, public aid and food stamps again?

If we can believe most of the Pundits, and reports, almost 40% of our own people are so poor that they do not pay any income taxes. Either they are unemployed, or working some low level Minimum Wage job that doesn't come close to letting them lead a decent life. $7 an hour...and even $15/hr, is insufficient to let a person or family become independent. Then, to make matters worse, we constantly see reports of companies like GE and HP, recently, announcing even more jobs cuts. We seem to be caught in a spiral where the Disparity of Wealth is showing no signs of slowing down.

Given these kinds of conditions, I see nothing but more problems for the nation if we open our doors to large numbers of these refugees. Some may have skills and a good grasp of English that might allow them to assimilate into our society....but the vast majority will just become dependent upon our governments social/welfare programs, and reduce the "base" for our own people.
 

That has already happened to the US with all these South, Central, Mexican, Americas folks slinking into the US for protection, clothing, schools, health systems, housing. They have been coming for years and not bothering to be honest about where they will be living and asking for acceptance into the US system. But they do depend on the US system to help them raise their families. And actually they do get plenty of help.

We have tried on occasion to end their mob scene ways of entering the US not far from where I live. Why won't our politicians allow us to go back to the rules that worked 50 years ago. It was mostly work access for 9 months or so and then they had to return to where ever they were from for a month or two before re entering the US. That worked for many years, why not now. Or they can go get a permit to live here while they work on getting a US citizenship acceptance.

The number of illegal immigrants in the US runs about 11 million to 12 million.
 
How 'bout opening up some of the closed military installations around the country to house them. A lot of them have quarters, including family quarters, on the installation.

Maybe some of the old people's homes that are being closed down to lack of finance?
Some of the mental institutes that are closed down for the same reason?
 
Coming to a Bed and Full Board near YOU!
Your neighbour has been kind!
Please take one in. If you dare !:D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Hungary-seals-Serbian-border-razor-wire.html

Storming the barricades: Hundreds of migrants smash their way through Hungary's razor-wire border with Serbia after hurling rocks at riot police who hit back with tear gas and water cannon

  • Frustrated refugees finally lost their patience and demanded to be allowed to cross Serbia's border into Hungary
  • They have been stuck on the Serbian side of the crossing since Hungary finished erecting its razor wire fences
  • Several hundred refugees stormed the fences on Wednesday, throwing rocks and bottles at Hungarian police
  • Riot officers responded by firing tear gas and water cannon, sparking a stampede among panicked refugees
  • Last night many were seen breaking through the barricade while outnumbered riot police sheltered behind shields
  • Hungary's heavy-handed approach has been condemned by the UN Secretary-General and human rights groups
By HANNAH ROBERTS IN HORGOS ON THE SERBIA-HUNGARY BORDER FOR MAILONLINE and JOHN HALL and COREY CHARLTON and SAM TONKIN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 08:53, 16 September 2015 | UPDATED: 00:37, 17 September 2015




Hundreds of migrants smashed their way through razor-wire fences and into Hungary after chaos at the country's border yesterday saw them hurl rocks at riot police who hit back with tear gas and water cannon.
After an afternoon of battles in which Hungarian riot police launched tear gas and unleashed water cannon on the thousands of migrants gathered along the country's border with Serbia, many finally managed to break through the new 13ft-high fences.
Yesterday evening the crowd were seen pouring through the border crossing while Hungarian police reinforcements sheltered behind their riot gear. However, fresh batches of tear gas sent panic into the crowd - with the refugees either beaten back or held in 'no man's land' between the two countries.
The confrontation has threatened to cause a political row, with the United Nations Secretary-General and Serbian government officials joining human rights groups in condemning Hungary's actions.
Last night Serbia's prime minister Aleksandar Vucic accused Hungary of 'brutal' and 'non-European' behaviour towards migrants and warned the neighbouring country not to fire tear gas onto its territory again. He also urged the European Union to respond.
Refugees were locked in a standoff with about 400 Hungarian riot police, while Serbian police officers were deployed between the two groups in a bid to persuade the desperate migrants to back down. Three Hungarian military Humvees, mounted with guns, also arrived at the border.


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It was said in a local paper here today that there are terrorists being smuggled in with all the thousands of genuine people seeking sanctuary ( and why wouldn't we not be surprised about that) so it is possible that you may harbour a 'sleeper' terrorist and these 'wooden horse' attacks from seemingly ordinary people within our societies are the saddest thing because as much as we - or me anyway - would like to give to give wholeheartedly support that little niggle will not leave the back of my mind.
and fureverywhere it has been known before for a bomb to be strapped to a child!
 
It was said in a local paper here today that there are terrorists being smuggled in with all the thousands of genuine people seeking sanctuary ( and why wouldn't we not be surprised about that) so it is possible that you may harbour a 'sleeper' terrorist and these 'wooden horse' attacks from seemingly ordinary people within our societies are the saddest thing because as much as we - or me anyway - would like to give to give wholeheartedly support that little niggle will not leave the back of my mind.
and fureverywhere it has been known before for a bomb to be strapped to a child!

And please think on Zante.:)
How many refugees/migrants have we ALREADY let into the UK, and the next thing they are doing is to try and blow us all up. Or get on a plane back to Syria or wherever so as to join ISIS. Or change our Country to suit THEM!

Only recently we had to send out a drone (along with America) in order to blow up Jihadees who had done just that.

No thanks from them there then!

Not that I have any sympathy for them, as they are supposed to have 20 Virgins waiting for them in Icky Ackybar land.

I hope that you are enjoying yourselves guys! :D
 
Actually, the majority of Muslim scholars now believe that the passages once thought to promise virgins in paradise to believers, instead refers to an abundance of food and drink. Arabic, like Hebrew, is a complex language open to multiple meanings.
 
Actually, the majority of Muslim scholars now believe that the passages once thought to promise virgins in paradise to believers, instead refers to an abundance of food and drink. Arabic, like Hebrew, is a complex language open to multiple meanings.

And that is the problem Shalimar.
We can all read multiple meanings into almost everything.
I mean. You won't believe this, but people have been know to misunderstand even ME! :p

I found this interesting off WikiIslam though! (I see that it is 72 Virgins)! Bring it on! :D

Sensual Paradise[edit]
In Islam, the concept of 72 virgins (houri) refers to an aspect of Jannah (Paradise). This concept is grounded in Qur'anic text which describe a sensual Paradise where believing men are rewarded by being wed[SUP][1][/SUP] to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts.[SUP][2][3][/SUP] Conversly, women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be satisfied with him".[SUP][4][/SUP]
Contemporary mainstream Islamic scholars, for example; Gibril Haddad, have commented on the erotic nature of the Qur'anic Paradise, by saying some men may need ghusl (ablution required after sexual discharge) just for hearing certain verses.[SUP][5][/SUP]
Orthodox Muslim theologians such as al-Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and al-Ash'ari (died 935 CE) have all discussed the sensual pleasures found in Paradise, relating hadith that describe Paradise as a slave market where there will be "no buy and sale, but... If any man will wish to have sexual intercourse with a woman, he will do at once."[SUP][6][7][/SUP]
It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir,[SUP][8][/SUP] and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a hasan hadith[SUP][9][/SUP] from Ibn Majah,[SUP][10][/SUP] wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing ******s", and that the "***** of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".[SUP][11][/SUP]
The sensual pleasures between believers and houri in Paradise are also confirmed by the two Sahih collections of hadith, namely Sahih Bukhari[SUP][12][/SUP] and Sahih Muslim, where we read that they will be virgins who are so beautiful, pure and transparent that "the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the bones and the flesh",[SUP][13][/SUP] and that "the believers will visit and enjoy them".[SUP][14][/SUP]
 
Hmmm. A Christian could find many passages in the Bible, particularly the Old Testament pertaining to incest, selling one's daughter, killing concubines, rape etc. that are extremely sexist and unsavory. Women were chattels, nothing more. In some sects they remain so. As John Lennon said, woman is the world's ******.
 
Hmmm. A Christian could find many passages in the Bible, particularly the Old Testament pertaining to incest, selling one's daughter, killing concubines, rape etc. that are extremely sexist and unsavory. Women were chattels, nothing more. In some sects they remain so. As John Lennon said, woman is the world's ******.

For me the Bible is like reading Grims Fairy Tails, and I don't believe a word of it.
I could say a lot more on that, but I know that I would offend some people.
That is not what I am about.
 
So you are supporting them?
Morning quicksilver just catching up with this thread. The little bit of volunteering I do for disadvantaged families and domestic violence victims also feeding the homeless when I can does make a little difference to their lives. It is not a competition just charities which are close to my heart. No need for your sarcastic remarks, a question was asked and I answered. I am proud to work for these charities who incidentally have hundreds of volunteers all giving help in countless ways.

May I take the opportunity of asking "Why are all these young men not standing together and fighting for their country". Most of the people I have seen on television, internet and papers look fit, healthy and well dressed. They are certainly not afraid to attack the Hungarian police.
 
Morning quicksilver just catching up with this thread. The little bit of volunteering I do for disadvantaged families and domestic violence victims also feeding the homeless when I can does make a little difference to their lives. It is not a competition just charities which are close to my heart. No need for your sarcastic remarks, a question was asked and I answered. I am proud to work for these charities who incidentally have hundreds of volunteers all giving help in countless ways.

May I take the opportunity of asking "Why are all these young men not standing together and fighting for their country". Most of the people I have seen on television, internet and papers look fit, healthy and well dressed. They are certainly not afraid to attack the Hungarian police.

Thank you for that clarification Venus.:D
And I agree with every word!
 
Good point, Venus, about why aren't they fighting to make their own country better.

That is right Butterfly.
After all, in the news the young men look a very fit lot.
They certainly know how to break down border controls.
Anyway.
Arn't they supposed to stay in the first safe country they arrive at?
Well, that ain't either Germany, OR the UK!

PS. I hope that you were never like this Butterfly, Butterfly!!! (Charlie Gracie).:D

 
I never doubted this for a minute...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ars-85-year-just-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html


Four out of five migrants are NOT from Syria: EU figures expose the 'lie' that the majority of refugees are fleeing war zone


  • Some 44,000 of the 213,000 refugees who arrived in Europe were from Syria
  • A further 27,000 new arrivals on the continent came from Afghanistan
  • Britain received one in 30 of all the asylum claims made by new applicants
  • David Cameron has offered to take in 20,000 refugees but none from the EU


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...st-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html#ixzz3m8ILLaX0
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Only one in every five migrants claiming asylum in Europe is from Syria.
The EU logged 213,000 arrivals in April, May and June but only 44,000 of them were fleeing the Syrian civil war.
Campaigners and left-wing MPs have suggested the vast majority of migrants are from the war-torn state, accusing the Government of doing too little to help them.
'This exposes the lie peddled in some quarters that vast numbers of those reaching Europe are from Syria,' said David Davies, Tory MP for Monmouth. 'Most people who are escaping the war will go to camps in Lebanon or Jordan.
'Many of those who have opted to risk their lives to come to Europe have done so for economic reasons.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...st-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html#ixzz3m8IYwe73
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So if I agree to take in a refugee, do I get a choice in advance..?


Refugee 1.jpg

I might well think I would be giving this little girl a chance of a decent future.


Refugee 3.jpg

... or perhaps this chap?


I think shall pass on this opportunity of being a caring Christian.
 
Yes the images we are seeing speak volumes. These worn out people are showing a lot of respect for the countries they are hoping will shelter them...litter left behind, sitting on windows of trains and already fighting amongst themselves (somehow they have managed to find the energy for this) but most worrying to me is seeing no respect for security forces/authorities. This will cost europe millions if not billions. My heart goes out to Greece who are suffering great financial hardship. As usual governments have been slow to act. Rant over!
 

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