Wow. Abortion is an issue again.

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rgp said:
"It’s not a baby but a clump of cells for months."



I have seen proof, video & stated, that , that is just not so. @ about the six week point, it becomes a pretty clearly defined human being.

Now we can go back & forth 6 weeks / 12 weeks , etc & so-on . But somewhere a line must be drawn, and IMO that line is six weeks.
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6 weeks is the same as a total abortion ban.
 

Ohhhhh….I know a solution. First…dna test every child at birth. Make both parents equally financially responsible. If either of the parents are under 18…make THEiR parents financially responsible. Make it mandatory if a parent is incarcerated that the child is financially and safely cared to untill age 18. Change the Safe Haven laws to be federal…and extend the age untill 18. Make it possible to sue child protective agencies if they fail to protect. Let me think some more…I am SURE I can solve this…
 
chic said:
You never met a seventeen year old girl who believed her boyfriend when he said, "If you love me you would." And when she discovers she's about to become a mother he leaves her flat.

Men are such male supremacists and every woman is a slut. They're not and we outnumber you.
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Not all men thankfully. My husband is very realistic and open minded, he respects women and their rights, be it voting or health care. There was also some mention that even if it was a rape or incest, that would not matter...that is really sick. This is supposed to be America, unfortunately sexism and racism are two isms that are still alive and well. We need to stand united in our country, don't turn the clocks back.
 

Women are smart enough to make these decisions on their own or in conjunction with their medical people. All the state legislatures are still dominated by men making the laws. Some of these restrictive state laws even try to make it against their law for women to leave the state to get help.
 
Shadowman said:
Women are smart enough to make these decisions on their own or in conjunction with their medical people. All the state legislatures are still dominated by men making the laws. Some of these restrictive state laws even try to make it against their law for women to leave the state to get help.
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Plus they're threatening the medical doctors who need to give these women treatment, very dangerous situation for all involved. A crises that can be avoided without any interference or threats to the women and their medical team.
 
Men and women used to rant that they'd like to see some knuckle dragging politician try to tell them whether or not they could send their six year old down the mine, or beat their five year old with sticks. But our government made laws to protect those children. The parents didn't get to claim that they were poor or that they weren't ready to have children

I believe women should have rights over their own body, but when they're sharing that body with another person -- then that person has rights, too. Parents do have rights over their children, but our laws say they aren't allowed to kill them.

The Bible speaks of babies, "leaping in the womb," and "quickening," and implies that is when life begins. Not surprisingly, most doctors agree that women usually feel this movement by about 24 weeks, the time when doctors say the fetus is able to live outside the uterus.

I'm not okay with abortions this late in gestation.

Young women talk a lot about their right to control their own bodies. If they would only actually do that, abortion would be a very rare thing.

Birth control should have made abortion something used for rare medical conditions and the 1/1000 cases where birth control failed. Women can choose methods that are effective 999 times out of 1000.
Some of these methods can be taken care of in one doctor, or free clinic, visit and they're safe from pregnancy for three years. It would take them almost all the way through college.

Women can use most of these methods in the sober light of day.

Young men have condoms. Period. Unless you're talking permanent sterilization which I'm not considering for either sex. The men have to use this method at the last minute when they may be under the influence of drink or drugs and possibly in a dark room. It's not very effective.

Some types of birth control for women:
  • implants.
  • intrauterine devices (IUDs)
  • injections.
  • oral contraceptive pills (combined pill and progestogen only pill)
  • ******l rings.
  • barrier methods (external and internal condoms, diaphragms)
  • morning after pills
  • rape victims are always offered pills as part of the rape kit.
I think we should talk less about abortion, and "those awful men" and more about a young woman's responsibility to control her own body's reproduction through birth control.
 
The Bible tells the story of how God slew Onan for "spilling his seed" on the ground instead of into the widow of his dead brother, whom he did not want to impregnate. Based on this for centuries the Catholic Church has been against birth control, although I don't know if that's still true any more. But how many women died in childbirth, how many families lived in starvation for centuries because of blind obedience to this ancient scripture?

So, how do the "true believers" feel about that? If the Bible is being invoked as an argument against abortion, how about birth control? In the year 2024, are we still supposed to be guided by what passed for wisdom about 4000 years ago?
 
chic said:
A total abortion ban is being discussed for the U.S. with NO exemptions for rape or incest. ...

What do you think? :unsure:
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I'm confident a total abortion ban will never happen at the federal level. I'm sure it's still viewed as "a power not delegated to the United Sates" but "reserved to the States, and to the people, respectively".
 
Thinking back of my DDs’ friends/acquaintances, too many were convinced they should have the baby and give it up. Except, they didn’t when the time came. Some of the situations became very sad for the child and the mother.
 
Muskrat said:
Ohhhhh….I know a solution. First…[paternity] test every child at birth. Make both parents equally financially responsible. If either of the parents are under 18…make THEiR parents financially responsible.
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You still living in the 70s? ;)
Muskrat said:
Change the Safe Haven laws to be federal…
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I don't think Safe Haven Laws should be federal, other than a federal law that requires every state to designate multiple safe haven depositories in every city. Is that what you mean? I'm totally in favor of that.

If the fed gov't was in charge, it would be expensive. Each depository would have a staff of federal employees being paid to sit around in shifts, round the clock, waiting for someone to drop off a baby. That's how the feds would do it, I'm 100% sure. Plus each one would have a $120K/year administrator and a well-paid director and RNs and safety inspectors and contracts with baby formula companies and disposable diaper manufacturers....and on and on.

In Calif, all fire stations and law enforcement offices are official Safe Havens, mainly because there's people there 24/7. So when someone rings the haven bell, a fireman or policeman comes out and physically takes the baby from them, no questions asked, and then they notify CPS, which is also a 24/7 operation. None of them gets paid extra for this service.

People should demand that every state and county office and courthouse, and every hospital and medical center have a Safe Haven.
 
Teacher Terry said:
Women and girls are raped and often by family members. They die during pregnancy and birth. As my mother used to say if men got pregnant there would be an abortion clinic on every corner just like bars!!

It’s an individual decision and Roe should have never been overturned. Some men like to control women and enslave them and what better way then to control their reproductive rights.
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@Teacher Terry is right. Women are raped. Should they be punished for a lifetime for the crime of their rapist? Girls are molested incestuously. . Should they be punished for a lifetime for the crimes committed by their assailants? This is what we're questioning. Why go backwards to a dark age for women's rights instead of forward?
 
I don't think there should be laws one way or the other, state or federal.
And it should entirely be the woman's choice. It's called freedom. Freedom of choice.
She is ultimately the one who has to live with that choice.
Science says unique DNA is present and organs begin to align at 30 days.
Outside of that time frame, if a woman wants to kill her baby. I think she should have that choice.
Sometimes there are other circumstances to consider other than a living fetus.
But life is precious and can be elusive. Sad positions all 'round in a perfect world.
 
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Naturally said:
I don't think there should be laws one way or the other, state or federal.
And it should entirely be the woman's choice. It's called freedom. Freedom of choice.
Science says DNA is present and organs begin to align at 30 days.
Outside of that time frame, if a woman wants to kill her baby. I think she should have that choice.
Sometimes there are other circumstances to consider other than a living fetus.
But life is precious and can be elusive. Sad positions all 'round in a perfect world.
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I wonder how women feel about that life inside of them when it has been placed there through force and violence???
 
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