Zelenskyy and the spirit of Ukraine are 'Time' magazine's 2022 Person of the Year

Personally, I subscribe to the paper magazine, and have for years. It is relevant to the happenings across the world, and in so many cases, present true, factual and uplifting articles. They haven't chosen sides politically, just report the facts.
I would encourage others to take a serious look at Time, instead of just listening to media programs.
It's well rounded in all areas of our lives.
 

JimBob1952 said:
There is (I believe) a troglodyte element on the right that is pro-dictator. They like Putin and quasi-dictators like Orban in Hungary. They are the ones making the most noise. Center-right and center-left are united in support of Ukraine.
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You are making political statements - I thought that we weren't allowed to discuss politics.

The following is a quote from an article I just read:

"It is money and moneyed interests that is driving the policy train in Washington, especially when it comes to the Department of Defense. Members of Congress are especially eager to line their pockets."

Since there is a 'no politics' rule I won't comment any further, except to say to those that wish to tell us how wonderful they are because they support Ukraine (and therefore anyone that dares to question where all the taxpayer money is going must be evil), to continue patting themselves on the back.
 
Right Now said:
Personally, I subscribe to the paper magazine, and have for years. It is relevant to the happenings across the world, and in so many cases, present true, factual and uplifting articles. They haven't chosen sides politically, just report the facts.
I would encourage others to take a serious look at Time, instead of just listening to media programs.
It's well rounded in all areas of our lives.
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It's great that you subscribe and I wish more people did. I remember the era when paper magazines ruled with great fondness. And I agree that a weekly (now twice-monthly) publication provides perspective and detail that newspaper coverage often doesn't.
 

perChance said:
You are making political statements - I thought that we weren't allowed to discuss politics.

The following is a quote from an article I just read:

"It is money and moneyed interests that is driving the policy train in Washington, especially when it comes to the Department of Defense. Members of Congress are especially eager to line their pockets."

Since there is a 'no politics' rule I won't comment any further, except to say to those that wish to tell us how wonderful they are because they support Ukraine (and therefore anyone that dares to question where all the taxpayer money is going must be evil), to continue patting themselves on the back.
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Life is politics. I say what I think until Matrix or whomever stops me, which is pretty often.

The right supported massive spending in Vietnam and Afghanistan and we wound up equipping the North Vietnamese Army and the Taliban with the latest weapons. At least the Ukrainians are killing Russians.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Life is politics. I say what I think until Matrix or whomever stops me, which is pretty often.

The right supported massive spending in Vietnam and Afghanistan and we wound up equipping the North Vietnamese Army and the Taliban with the latest weapons. At least the Ukrainians are killing Russians.
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And the corrupt politicians on the right and left are filling their pockets because anyone who dares to ask for transparency is accused of being pro Putin.

And so it continues - politicians keep getting rich and everyone else gets screwed - and we start finger pointing and fighting each other - which only benefits the politicians.
 
Been There said:
I’ll say this again, Zelensky is NOT the man they want you to believe he is.
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I think the crypto currency mess will reveal a lot. Also, rumors that he has sold some of the weapons we have given them needs to be investigated. Having said that, me husband is of Ukrainian descent and we fly their flag in support of the PEOPLE of Ukraine. We also fly the American flag because we believe in our country.... not because we agree with everything our government does, either!
 
Nemo2 said:
What JFK is now a 'righty'? Good thing that well known lefty 'Tricky Dicky' ended the conflict then, I guess.
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The problem started with Eisenhower. Although the Kennedy Administration got us directly involved in Vietnam, and the Johnson Administration deepened that involvement, opposition to the war came mostly from the left and support for the war came mostly from the right. By the time Nixon pulled us out everyone, right and left, was thoroughly sick of the whole stupid mess.

Just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm a very conservative independent. But I like to look at things objectively.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Say what you want about the Ukrainians, at least they fight.
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Again...this has zip to do with the Ukrainian people, (in fact, before the plague and subsequent hostilities, we had planned and mapped out a trip we wanted to take there), this is about accountability - not just accountability on the part of the Ukrainian president, but as much or more it's accountability on the part of those politicians currently held unaccountable.
 
Nemo2 said:
Again...this has zip to do with the Ukrainian people, (in fact, before the plague and subsequent hostilities, we had planned and mapped out a trip we wanted to take there), this is about accountability - not just accountability on the part of the Ukrainian president, but as much or more it's accountability on the part of those politicians currently held unaccountable.
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I disagree. We sent billions of dollars in aid and weaponry to Afghanistan. The Afghans, for whatever reason, simply lacked the will to fight. That's why the Taliban won. It was the same story in Vietnam. The South Vietnamese lacked the drive and motivation displayed by the VC and the North.

It's interesting that you Canadians are so suspect of the motives of American politicians. Our political classes are actually pretty honest, at least in terms of not taking bribes. By and large, American politicians don't retire as billionaires in Panama. (Of course there are exceptions.) Is that not the case in Canada?
 
JimBob1952 said:
The problem started with Eisenhower. Although the Kennedy Administration got us directly involved in Vietnam, and the Johnson Administration deepened that involvement, opposition to the war came mostly from the left and support for the war came mostly from the right.
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Eisenhower, concerned about the Domino Theory, sent, AFAIK, 'advisors - the massive escalation was under LBJ. As to the left being against the war, two factors, left leaning males, particularly, didn't want to be drafted in the US, (nobody did, but them more so), and, as the conflicts in the region were resulting in more communist governments, they didn't want their guys on the receiving end.
 
Nemo2 said:
Eisenhower, concerned about the Domino Theory, sent, AFAIK, 'advisors - the massive escalation was under LBJ. As to the left being against the war, two factors, left leaning males, particularly, didn't want to be drafted in the US, (nobody did, but them more so), and, as the conflicts in the region were resulting in more communist governments, they didn't want their guys on the receiving end.
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Advisors who got involved in actual gunfights -- that started under Kennedy. The overthrow of the Diem government leading to subsequent military dictatorships, Kennedy. The massive escalation was under LBJ, as you indicated. But back then many Southern Democrats were far to the right of many Republicans, so the boundaries were different.

Most left leaning and/or college bound males found ways to avoid the draft. The burden of fighting fell on working class kids.

I've asked this question before -- what are we arguing about?
 
JimBob1952 said:
The Afghans, for whatever reason, simply lacked the will to fight.
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Did the Afghans 'lack the will to fight', or did many of them tacitly agree with giving al Qaeda refuge? The closest I came to Afghanistan was Quetta, Pakistan, but I have had some exposure to the region.....Pakistan/Iran/Iraq/Saudi/Yemen/Syria, etc......and the general mindset there is not always in unison with that of 'The West'.
 
Nemo2 said:
Did the Afghans 'lack the will to fight', or did many of them tacitly agree with giving al Qaeda refuge? The closest I came to Afghanistan was Quetta, Pakistan, but I have had some exposure to the region.....Pakistan/Iran/Iraq/Saudi/Yemen/Syria, etc......and the general mindset there is not always in unison with that of 'The West'.
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I've often wondered about that myself. I don't think most Afghans want to live under Taliban rule, but enough did to make it impossible to win.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Oh, yes. Support of Ukraine. Which is costly and no doubt involves fraud and waste, but which I think is worth it.
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I think supporting the Ukranian people is important too. I am not naive enough to think that we can eliminate all the fraud but how much fraud and waste is acceptable? I am sure the Ukranians would like that number to be as low as possible - and if making the whole process more transparent gets more of that money to them, isn't that a good thing?
 
Nemo2 said:
Unbridled fraud and waste, or controlled? Like "To be or not to be" that is the question.
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Could you and perChance point me to reports of unbridled fraud and waste in aid to Ukraine? I respect you both and "like" a lot of your posts. It's just something I haven't looked into much if at all.
 
Nemo2 said:
Unbridled fraud and waste, or controlled? Like "To be or not to be" that is the question.
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This is from the Wall Street Journal, June of last year:

No instances of malfeasance have emerged. (Italics mine) The government of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has won praise in the U.S. and Europe for how it has used weaponry provided by the U.S. and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to beat back Russia’s initial invasion.

This is from an NPR interview in December 2022:

The U.S. has been supporting Ukraine's fight against Russia with billions of dollars in aid and weapons. But lawmakers from both parties have voiced concerns about oversight. And while there's no evidence of any wrongdoing related to Ukraine aid, potential abuse of U.S. taxpayer money, as we have seen in previous wars, could erode public support for Kyiv.

So what am I missing? I know Ukraine has a history of corruption. But we don't seem to have hard evidence of WFA (waste, fraud and abuse) yet.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Could you and perChance point me to reports of unbridled fraud and waste in aid to Ukraine? I respect you both and "like" a lot of your posts. It's just something I haven't looked into much if at all.
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Here is a link that I posted earlier in this thread:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/11/18/its-time-to-speak-the-truth-about-ukraine/

A quote from that article:

"Senate warmongers in May were quick to shoot down Senator Rand Paul’s proposed amendment to include an Inspector General to establish minimal accountability for the delivery of $40 billion in aid. They should have listened to Rand Paul. A now-censored CBS report revealed that, due to theft and corruption, only 30 percent of American equipment ever reaches the Ukrainian frontlines. Criminal gangs across Europe are already trafficking the arms on the black market."

Proof - no I don't have any proof but the above quote makes me very suspicious.
 

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