And the shootings go on and on , and on, and on...
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Giantsfan1954
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Since I can kill you with my car, a kitchen knife, baseball bat or golf club, are we outlawing them too?
The "big fix" now is all the stores outlawing open carry in their stores, Walmart, Kroger, Walgreen's, etc, open season on grocery shopping!
Ever heard the expression "the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun?"
24 hour news media, no supervision in the home at 3p.m. is a root cause of this issue which is a mental health issue, not a gun issue!
My late husband had a CCW permit, he took a safety course, had a state and federal background check, no one who jumps through the hoops are going to jeopardize their 2nd amendment right,this never-ending,lets grab all the guns irritates the crap out of me,all you're doing is jumping on the bandwagon not offering any viable solutions.
Camper6
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Grabbing all the guns is NRA propaganda as is the bad guy with a gun motto which was the NRA response to the Newton school massacre when 20 children died. If children can't be protected, then what hope is there in this world?
Kitchen knives, baseball bats, and golf club were not designed to kill people. And we are not talking all guns. The ones that were designed and made for the military primarily.
Yes you can kill me with a knife or a baseball bat or a golf club but I will take my chances that I can run from them. I can't run from a bullet even from one far away.
Knight
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Try telling what to survivors? My post was about each death having meaning. The thread began with guns but thanks to you it morphed into cars, manufactures liability & a single mass shooting at Sutherland Hills church.
I'm not ignoring the use of a gun. I could be wrong but a gun will stay wherever it is put until someone picks it up. You seem to know a lot about guns so maybe I'm missing a way a gun can move, point at and shoot a person without a human providing the actions needed.
As for "NRA talk" please explain that for me.
On that we can all agree.
Recognizing every untimely death caused by a person or persons with a gun, car, knife, or any means is hardly blase. I don't think the massive quantity of laws that vary all over America are working, but some have an impact. Quantity doesn't translate to quality for me. Defining what, where & how the ones that are working IMO would be a good 1st. step in "reducing" what we are seeing now. Key word is "reducing" because I don't think were to the point of being able to discover the mindset of this kind of population statistics.
https://datacenter.kidscount.org/da...70,573,869,36,868,867,133,38/39,40,41/416,417
Camper6
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You know what? It was you that introduced knives and baseball bats and I really am not interested in what other deaths are from when the topic is guns.
Camper6
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Feb 17, 2018 - Chris Riddell on Donald Trump's response to the Florida school ... Florida shooting: howls of grief fall upon deaf ears - cartoon ... We won't have gun control because we should arm school children to shoot .... As Charlton Heston said about someone trying to take his guns away: 'From my cold, dead hands.
The National Guard is regarded as a “well regulated Militia “
Same question for you: What do you suggest?
Camper6
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Warrigal
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And I repeat my question to you - do you actually want things to change?
I could point to things that were done in my homeland after a very serious massacre last century that have made a difference here but US has seen many serious events since then and nothing has been done that is very effective. If Americans want to make changes to the carnage, for that is what it is, then they will have to be changes to the root causes of the problem.
I hesitate to say what I think these root causes are because I sense that that is what you are waiting for so that you can tell me why they cannot be addressed. Which brings me back to my question. Do you see any need for change or is change what you actually fear?
squatting dog
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The only change I fear is a knee jerk reaction from a country with a population of 19.98 million telling our population of 327.2 million what they think works and what won't. Guess that puts me in the category of be aware of your surroundings and accept the fact that there are nefarious people in the world that want to do you harm.
^^^ One of several important factors those with the easy solutions leave out of the mix.
Warrigal
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And how do you think that a country with a much smaller population is going to do US any harm at all?
Do you fear invasion?
Do you fear some ideas?
And if you are talking about Australia, with a population of about 25 million in 2018, one of the US' most steadfast allies and trading partners, and think that this continent is full of nefarious people wanting to do you harm, then you need to get a grip on reality. That thought is truly paranoid.
If you have been reading my posts you must have picked up that I state frequently state the US needs to find solutions that would work in USA, but first you have to want to. I suspect that life is held rather cheaply in America if massacred children don't prompt serious efforts to end the carnage, or at least make it a rare occurrence.
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Butterfly
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If we could find a way to shut down the black market gun trafficking, it would help a whole lot. Maybe a life sentence for gun trafficking and stop pleading down gun offenses?
I'm all for it. But I know it will never happen. If we could shut down the black market gun trafficking, we could also shut down illegal drug trafficking, along with every other illegal trafficking. And pleading down gun offenses will also never happen because all offenses are pleaded down. That's how attorneys & courts make money & that's how we save prisoner upkeep costs.
I just saw an incredible non-fiction movie about the corruption involving the parole system & payoffs: "Marie."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_(film)
Warrigal, I can see how you can come to that conclusion, based on some of the hysterical defenses of the almighty gun that have appeared in this thread, and many times before in this forum, always by the same small group of gun lovers. But rest assured, life is not held that cheaply here in America, particularly the lives of children. Last year, the young people who survived the massacre in Parkland, Florida led a nationwide movement, with people coming out in droves to voice their protest of the grip the NRA and its sycophants have on our legislators. Thousands of people took part in demonstrations, with millions more backing them.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/us/parkland-change-gun-control-legislation/index.html
rgp
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"But I do believe with compromise on both sides we could come up with a fix for this problem."
What compromise here, is going to stop the killing?
Are you suggesting a compromise will stop the evil thoughts of the killers ? I ask because it is indeed the evil mind that is doing the killing. The gun is merely the means, And it is reported to be some 400 million of them [guns] out there. A buy-back, while it might have worked in some other countries, will never work here. Stopping the manufacture of guns will put thousands out of work. So once again what compromise are we to reach that will solve the problem of killing ?
Swift , sure prosecution of the killers and harsh punishment after absolute guilt proven.
rgp
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"But rest assured, life is not held that cheaply here in America, particularly the lives of children."
You are correct, because each & every time a child is killed......the family sues for millions......so I suppose a child's life is worth a few million dollars ? Not cheap.
Knight
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I posted.
As you can see my post related to yours. Easy to see how you can twist content.
How long is it going to take for you to explain how a gun can move, point at and shoot a person without a human providing the actions needed.
Really like to know what you meant by IRA talk
As you can see my post related to yours. Easy to see how you can twist content.
How long is it going to take for you to explain how a gun can move, point at and shoot a person without a human providing the actions needed.
Really like to know what you meant by IRA talk
Camper6
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The gun is inert until activated. Once it is activated there is no going back. It is the modus operandi and you can't leave it out of the question. That is NRA talk. But let's move to why we are allowing guns like the AR15 to be acquired by civilians with huge magazines. For what purpose? And was that a Freudian slip when you stated IRA talk. Last I saw here was NRA talk.
The NRA controls the president and congress by influencing with for want of a better word "money". The president was all in favor of expanding background checks until the NRA got a hold of him and Congressmen and the NRA are trying to block the civil suit of the Newton survivor families. They have no business in the courts of the country and congress.
rgp
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Excuse me, will you explain your comment ? If it is purely name calling ? I can get into that,.....and last for years.
Just let me know.