Are there ANGELS?

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I don’t feel the least bit brain washed but if that’s how you feel then that’s how you feel.
Keesha, I never said I felt brain washed. I said I thought Lara's reasoning sounds like SHE has been brain washed (as opposed to exhibiting free will). Just to clarify.
 

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Erudite - educated, knowledgeable, learned, lettered, literate, scholarly, well-read.

I have never read Chaucer but I just googled 'Chaucer quotes' and could take my pick of them.
I chose this one:

“No empty handed man can lure a bird”
― Geoffrey Chaucer, The Canterbury Tales

Now I'm wondering about the context. Is he saying that poor men cannot attract women?
Because I haven't read the text, I cannot know exactly what the quote means.

Sorry about taking the thread down a side alley.
 

I found this below in the comments section of the ark story in the Daily Mail =
{{Nickolas, Ontario, Canada, 10 years ago

Fundamental belief systems are comfortable allowing anomolies. In this case, God could do anything He wanted, so a regional, 4km deep Great Flood could be possible, because it is what He wanted. To the commentators above: no matter what you might say about the physical, scientific impossibility of the existence of Noah's Ark, no matter how logical and measurable it might be, what you say will be by some rejected, with facility. Faith is absolute in the fundamentalist mind. It must be this way. There is no room for questioning a fundamental belief, for the very act of questioning is in itself a betrayal of Faith in God. When you believe, you believe completely and anything anyone says to you that impugns or otherwise diminishes that belief is just plain wrong. If only people could just think things out a little more, we could get all this nonsense behind us and really start to evolve intellectually as a species
My mother was an English literature teacher. While you guys were playing sandlot baseball, I had to watch "The Tempest" on the Hallmark Hall of Fame, read the abridged version of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales (I particularly liked The Pardoner's Tale)and was introduced at a young age to Ayn Rand via Atlas Shrugged. The rest of my "formal education" has been self-taught. "Education is your life long personal responsibility." - Mom...who red-penciled corrections on every note I ever wrote.
"Atlas Shrugged," was the best novel I read at age seventeen.
At age 39+ it was one of the worst. A nut case... If Ryan was running things 90% of us would be dead.
 
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Well, I sure chuckled when I read about Adam & Eve.
Especially when Adam said, "Stay back, Eve. I don't know how big this thing's gonna get."
 
Jerry: You object to objectivism? That's blasphemy! What does it all mean? What if there were no rhetorical questions? Who is John Galt?
 
Jerry: You object to objectivism? That's blasphemy! What does it all mean? What if there were no rhetorical questions? Who is John Galt?
Galt is a critter lodging in the mind of a peculiar person.
Saw Rand interview, was worse than I knew.
Objective carried to it's zenith degree is the same as any other philosophy or ideology-dangerous.
Rhetorical-you know the definition, folks like Rand do not, it is inconceivable
that she could err. She would state: they are unclean, non-thinking or worse.

God help us, well Rand had no use for any belief system except hers.
So, our yammering will not alter, change, or modify the other's belief system.
 
It's Rand's basic premise regarding creativity and social non-conformity to which I subscribe but then I have always been a loner with authority issues. As for her personally, I don't give a damn about her one way or the other.
 
Lara, exactly what passage , chapter and verse, in the Bible states "Salvation wasn't "only offered to the residents of the Middle East". It's offered worldwide but the problem back then was reaching the world. The problem was communication in those days. "
My post #474 was quoting Nautilus's hypothetical question...not the Bible. Nautilus questioned, "Salvation was only offered to the Middle East?"

Then my answer was that back then they didn't have the capability of Worldwide communication. BUT...

There was a Prophesy in Matthew 24:14 that has been fulfilled today with Internet, Smartphones, TV, radio etc...so now Salvation IS offered worldwide. Here's the quote from the Bible:

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world
as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."

~ Matthew 24:14 (a fulfilled prophesy with the coming of technology)

Those who have not heard the gospel, back then and today...are not held accountable. In other words they receive eternal life. And children under the age of reason are not held responsible.
 
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Well, I sure chuckled when I read about Adam & Eve.
Especially when Adam said, "Stay back, Eve. I don't know how big this thing's gonna get."
Another chuckle

It begins
Genesis 3:8

Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

Then gets really funny with

Genisis 3.9

Genesis 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

I'm trying to imagine a supernatural being that created heaven & earth. mankind, all the plants & animals needing to ask Where art thou?
 
Genesis 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

I'm trying to imagine a supernatural being that created heaven & earth. mankind, all the plants & animals needing to ask Where art thou?
Because the Lord God wanted Adam & Eve to admit they they were hiding and to make them aware that it was because they disobeyed God by eating from the Tree of Knowledge and now knew of, and hid, their nakedness.
 
Because the Lord God wanted Adam & Eve to admit they they were hiding and to make them aware that it was because they disobeyed God by eating from the Tree of Knowledge and now knew of, and hid, their nakedness.
your interpretation or is there a bible verse explaining that?
 
When I read your post I opened my Bible and
read the previous and subsequent verses to get the context.
That adds clarity. He wanted them to confess their sin.
 
Lara.perhaps you did not understand my question. You stated , ""Salvation wasn't "only offered to the residents of the Middle East". It's offered worldwide but the problem back then was reaching the world. The problem was communication in those days. " What exact passage of the Bible states that God did offer salvation, " but the problem back then was reaching the world. The problem was communication in those days.". Your answer does bring up another question. You stated,'Those who have not heard the gospel, back then and today...are not held accountable. " So, then, there are two ways of attaining salvation? One of them is being Biblically illiterate. Doesn't that call into question the validity of the other?
 
What exact passage of the Bible states that God did offer salvation, " but the problem back then was reaching the world. The problem was communication in those days.".
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world
as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."

~ Matthew 24:14 (a fulfilled prophesy with the coming of technology like TV, Internet, Radio)
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You stated,'Those who have not heard the gospel, back then and today...are not held accountable." Doesn't that call into question the validity of the other?
No. Apples and Oranges...
people who have not heard the Gospel (the Good News of salvation if one believes) and people who have.
 
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"Royalties from Joel Osteen's book sales, radio show, public speaking fees, and church collection reportedly generate $55 million per year. He and his wife, co-pastor Victoria Osteen, live with their two kids in a $10.5 million mansion in the Houston suburbs. Osteen's net worth is reported as $40 million."
ALL true servants of God deserve a $10.5 million mansion...and a $54 million private jet.

"Kiss the relics and loosen up your purse." - The Pardoner, Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, circa 1380 A.D.

"Salvation: The world's 2nd oldest profession...and no more reputable than the 1st." - Jan Stephen Hadley
I have also, at one time or another, looked up their net worth and their income. Granted, I think they should live more moderately and spend the other part on their profession. But, that is not my concern, and there really is no telling on what they spend it on. You only know what you find in the reports on Google. So, if you look up how much they spend in the 3rd world countries, etc. Maybe that would balance out.
 
No. Apples and Oranges...
people who have not heard the Gospel (the Good News of salvation if one believes) and people who have.
Not a person created is left out! There comes a time when everyone knows there is a supreme something/someone. They may not know his name, or what he is, but He makes Himself known to all.
 
"Interesting how this thread has morphed from belief in angels to the details of tax law! ( Good way to get me out of a conversation in a hurry.) 😁"


;) ...............that's because since angles do not exist, there is little to no point discussing them. But since churches dodge every tax they possibly can, and leave it to us to make up the difference.....there's a time worthy discussion.
I am voicing my belief that indeed, this woman was an angel sent for to bring you comfort, she was a kindly looking motherly figure. That, in itself, tells me that she was there to let you know you would be alright. Sometimes there are angels about us and we are unaware. But, it also appears to me that your first guess was she was an angel.
 
"Royalties from Joel Osteen's book sales, radio show, public speaking fees, and church collection reportedly generate $55 million per year. He and his wife, co-pastor Victoria Osteen, live with their two kids in a $10.5 million mansion in the Houston suburbs. Osteen's net worth is reported as $40 million."
ALL true servants of God deserve a $10.5 million mansion...and a $54 million private jet.

"Kiss the relics and loosen up your purse." - The Pardoner, Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, circa 1380 A.D.

"Salvation: The world's 2nd oldest profession...and no more reputable than the 1st." - Jan Stephen Hadley
And don't forget Victoria's miracle face creams & skin care products - they makes her look so young.....they work because they're blessed, not because of genetics.....
I actually used to watch Joel because I found him entertaining & his previous sermons were not so religion based; they were more like talking about doing what's right (which I liked). But then he received criticism & his sermons were modified to include more God & Jesus. That's when I lost interest.
 
You may not use my posts in whole nor in part without quotation marks and you should have enough integrity not to add mockery. It doesn't even make sense.
 

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