Are there ANGELS?
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Lara
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Nautilus, you sure think you know a lot about me and my family and you just joined the forum 4 days ago. And what's that about me and televangelists? I don't watch them but I know about their hypocrisy.Nautilus said:
But there is one pastor named Dr. Charles Stanley on TV, In Touch Ministries, who is very very different. He has preached at the same church for 50 years and said from day one that he would never ask for money. He hasn't sent around a collection plate even to this day. He's 89 now. He has made his money by hosting trips and cruises such as to Alaska and has sold some of his books and personal photography of flowers, birds, and landscapes...but never talks about any of that during the 1/2 hour sermon.
And you said my family are not flat earthers??? How random! I've never said that nor discussed flat earthers. Are you trying to investigate me and my family? You're sound creepy.
@PVC , I'm shocked that you gave this member a like on his post. Why in the world.
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Catlady
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Amen!
It's interesting that the OP @Vedaarya started this thread on 2/1/17 and stopped posting on 7/9/17. Her post has had a life of it's own since she left.
rgp
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Always it seems easy to get folks to debate/argue religion.......I break my own rule all the time, never argue religion 
cuz I doubt seriously any ones mind will ever change anyway.....and does it really need too ?
I have my own thought on the subject,[which I won't go into again] but I try too keep in mind that at any minute I could be proven wrong........hence my mind would be changed.
cuz I doubt seriously any ones mind will ever change anyway.....and does it really need too ?I have my own thought on the subject,[which I won't go into again] but I try too keep in mind that at any minute I could be proven wrong........hence my mind would be changed.
Catlady
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I gave Nautilus a like because he said:
"You obey the Bible and regard it as the ONLY source anyone needs. You eschew all questions that intelligence, logic and common sense would generate and you are blind to the hypocrisy of televangelists".
I feel that you follow the bible blindly, claiming it is the ''word of God'' even though it was the ''word of men''. The Essenes, a radical sect of Jews, wrote the first five chapters of the bible (but they were attributed to Moses) and the rest were written by others and the apostles after Jesus. And even those apostles could not make up their mind about what Jesus said or did, they each had their own versions about his life and teachings. I was also shocked to find out recently that Jesus only taught less than a year or less than 3 years (depending on the sources). In fact, even his birth and death dates are in dispute. Few people knew of him at the time.
Catlady
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I consider myself to have a very OPEN mind. If/when anyone can prove something, I will be the first to admit that I was wrong. I would LOVE for there to be a heaven and a God (the merciful one, not the cruel one). I simply believe that religion was invented to explain that which we are not able to explain.Always it seems easy to get folks to debate/argue religion.......I break my own rule all the time, never argue religion
This post is totally unnecessary. Makes you sound like a bully. Like a bully with a closed mind. You're not, so why behave like you are?
You can abandon it by leaving it.
rgp
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Knight
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Don't have a bible so did as you suggested Googled.
3 but God said, You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”
SAY WHAT? they didn't die.
Then
11 He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said, d“The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” 13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, e“The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
The all knowing supernatural being still asking questions. And for you that translates into God knew and was testing? I take it as written the all knowing didn't know.
The serpent said
4 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
No mystery there. They didn't die so the serpent was right & God lied.
16 To the woman he said,
“I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, <----- and so woman gets to enjoy multiple orgasms
but he shall rule over you.” <---- That one went off the rails long ago.
All in all a nice story but so are the Harry Potter stories.
Catlady
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Like you always ask of me, ''link'? Where does it say that it's not true that the Essenes wrote the first five chapters?
CrackerJack
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I very good Thread indeed. I am not sure about angels but don't discount their existence.
Nautilus
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As can you.
Catlady
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I've got a headache, Pepper. There is so much controversy in religion that no one agrees with anything, not even the experts. Here's some info I found. The Essenes supposedly wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls. I'm done with this and am out of this thread.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_authorshipBy the 1st century CE it was already common practice to refer to the five books as the "Law of Moses", but the first unequivocal expression of the idea that this meant authorship appears in the Babylonian Talmud, an encyclopedia of Jewish tradition and scholarship composed between 200–500 CE.[6][7] There the rabbis noticed and addressed such issues as how Moses had received the divine revelation,[8] how it was curated and transmitted to later generations, and how difficult passages such as the last verses of Deuteronomy, which describe his death, were to be explained.[9] This culminated in the 8th of Maimonides' 13 Principles of Faith, establishing belief in Mosaic authorship as an article of Jewish belief.[10]
Mosaic authorship of the Torah was unquestioned by both Jews and Christians until the European Enlightenment, when the systematic study of the five books led the majority of scholars to conclude that they are the product of many hands and many centuries.[11] Despite this, the role of Moses is an article of faith in traditional Jewish circles and for some Christian Evangelical scholars, for whom it remains crucial to their understanding of the unity and authority of Scripture.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/7/100727-who-wrote-dead-sea-scrolls-bible-science-tv/The conventional wisdom is that a breakaway Jewish sect called the Essenes—thought to have occupied Qumran during the first centuries B.C. and A.D.—wrote all the parchment and papyrus scrolls.
According to an emerging theory, the Essenes may have actually been Jerusalem Temple priests who went into self-imposed exile in the second century B.C., after kings unlawfully assumed the role of high priest.
This group of rebel priests may have escaped to Qumran to worship God in their own way. While there, they may have written some of the texts that would come to be known as the Dead Sea Scrolls.
As can anyone!
What's the big deal? Just yakking & sharing, that's all.
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