Pretty Good News (Harvey Weinstein got 23 years in prison)

[rgp]

Jeebus, give that dead horse a break. You can continue to whine an snivel all you want, but facts are facts, even when you don't think they are. The jury decides the facts, not some internet dipstick. The jury decided, based on the presented evidence and facts, that your buddy Harvey was guilty, The truth does not change over time.

And again, just because you apparently live in fear doesn't mean the rest of us do. Grow a pair, sis.

"Jeebus, give that dead horse a break."

So {I} should give it break, because you don't agree?.......No! It is a travesty of justice, & I will never give it a break.

Grow a brain.......there was no evidence produced.....only accusations.

"but facts are facts, even when you don't think they are. The jury decides the facts, not some internet dipstick. "

Now if we are going to stoop to name calling?.......I can do that all day.....

Accusations are not facts.....unless they are proven.....where's the proof?

 

[Buckeye]

"Jeebus, give that dead horse a break."

So {I} should give it break, because you don't agree?.......No! It is a travesty of justice, & I will never give it a break.

Grow a brain.......there was no evidence produced.....only accusations.

"but facts are facts, even when you don't think they are. The jury decides the facts, not some internet dipstick. "

Now if we are going to stoop to name calling?.......I can do that all day.....

Accusations are not facts.....unless they are proven.....where's the proof?

Sorry, but you are dead wrong. You wanna believe 1 creepy old man instead of >20 women, and you accept his statement as truth, and dismiss the statements of the women as merely accusations. A travesty of justice would be to let Harvey walk. Thank God the jury was composed of 12 folks with some smarts. Facts are not your friend - you still support the Florida parking lot shooter even though any thinking person, including the jury, could see he shot an innocent man. Now you defend a sexual predator that was found guilty by one jury, and faces another trial in the near future. Let's see -you, plus one killer, plus one pervert. That's a fine team.

BTW I don't name call - I just call a spade a spade. And you still need to grow that pair

 

[peppermint]

Hey, I don't really care about Harvey….But, yes I'm going to say a BUT..... First of all most of the women, who were trying to get a job into the
Movie industry, and went to his home or office probably were there to get into the Movie industry....So, I say So, cause really now, those women
were after a job.....So Bad Harvey, being he is/was a big shot he fooled around with the women....DA!!! Do we know how many really took their
clothes off.....Or do you think the old man raped them???? Those woman should've known what they were getting into...
PERIOD.. He wasn't the most nice looking man in my eyes.....Did any of the girls get hurt...I don't know....It was a while ago
before this all got out to the public....So is it she said?????? Or he is lying....But I really don't care....I don't even go to the
movies anymore.... And now are those women getting his money!!!!!!!!!!! HE SAD SHE SAD.....

 

[peppermint]

Hey, I don't really care about Harvey….But, yes I'm going to say a BUT..... First of all most of the women, who were trying to get a job into the
Movie industry, and went to his home or office probably were there to get into the Movie industry....So, I say So, cause really now, those women
were after a job.....So Bad Harvey, being he is/was a big shot he fooled around with the women....DA!!! Do we know how many really took their
clothes off.....Or do you think the old man raped them???? Those woman should've known what they were getting into...
PERIOD.. He wasn't the most nice looking man in my eyes.....Did any of the girls get hurt...I don't know....It was a while ago
before this all got out to the public....So is it she said?????? Or he is lying....But I really don't care....I don't even go to the
movies anymore.... And now are those women getting his money!!!!!!!!!!! HE SED SHE SED.....

 

[Sassycakes]

 

[Ferocious]

Jeebus, give that dead horse a break. You can continue to whine an snivel all you want, but facts are facts, even when you don't think they are. The jury decides the facts, not some internet dipstick. The jury decided, based on the presented evidence and facts, that your buddy Harvey was guilty, The truth does not change over time.

And again, just because you apparently live in fear doesn't mean the rest of us do. Grow a pair, sis.

Very well said, Sir!

Like you, Buckeye, for me and others here too, Mr Sniveler/Whingie/Whiner has become the biggest pain in the a*** ever. He is a wind-up merchant who gets his 'jollies' by trying to spoil our days, don't let him wind you up, just ignore the arrogant s**, perhaps he will then dry up and go away and chew rose thorns.

 

[rgp]

Sorry, but you are dead wrong. You wanna believe 1 creepy old man instead of >20 women, and you accept his statement as truth, and dismiss the statements of the women as merely accusations. A travesty of justice would be to let Harvey walk. Thank God the jury was composed of 12 folks with some smarts. Facts are not your friend - you still support the Florida parking lot shooter even though any thinking person, including the jury, could see he shot an innocent man. Now you defend a sexual predator that was found guilty by one jury, and faces another trial in the near future. Let's see -you, plus one killer, plus one pervert. That's a fine team.

BTW I don't name call - I just call a spade a spade. And you still need to grow that pair

And you clearly have your head, completely up your ass.

"Facts are not your friend "

Again, an accusation is not a fact.

 

[rgp]

Very well said, Sir!

Like you, Buckeye, for me and others here too, Mr Sniveler/Whingie/Whiner has become the biggest pain in the a*** ever. He is a wind-up merchant who gets his 'jollies' by trying to spoil our days, don't let him wind you up, just ignore the arrogant s**, perhaps he will then dry up and go away and chew rose thorns.

If you do not like my post/replies.......do not read them/ignore the thread.

 

[Buckeye]

And you clearly have your head, completely up your ass.

"Facts are not your friend "

Again, an accusation is not a fact.

lol - Your petty insult is proof positive that, in your heart, you now I'm right. But if you want to spend your time on here, whining and sniveling, and showing your ignorance, go for it. I look forward to it. And once again, it is the job of the jury to determine what is factual and what isn't.

 

[rgp]

lol - Your petty insult is proof positive that, in your heart, you now I'm right. But if you want to spend your time on here, whining and sniveling, and showing your ignorance, go for it. I look forward to it. And once again, it is the job of the jury to determine what is factual and what isn't.

Just matching insult for insult....And you sir are the one that lead us down that road.

And again, I never said a thing about the jury's job. I said, if you would learn to read , that I disagreed with their decision. And that i was dismayed in the fact that there was no real evidence presented.

 

[JaniceM]

"Facts are not your friend "

Again, an accusation is not a fact.

I don't even know who this guy Weinstein is, but comments throughout this thread could apply to the subject in general, and the first I encountered it was a few years ago when the accusations were against B. Cosby, and shortly thereafter, the "#metoo movement.":

1. People everywhere were ready to figuratively 'fry' Cosby before a trial date was even set. In the minds of the masses, "accused" automatically means "guilty."

2. If it hasn't happened yet, it probably will- if you dare to even suggest an accused might not be guilty, you yourself can fall under attack: you'll be accused of "protecting perpetrators," and you may even hear the insinuation 'maybe you've done those things yourself.'

3. On the subject of sex crimes, facts "don't" matter, at least not as much as a person's "perceptions." When the #metoo movement was starting (or at least the first I heard of it), a headline stated an actress had been sexually assaulted when she was only 17 years old. My initial reaction- similar to what I figure for most people- 'Geez, that poor girl, it must have been horrible!!!' But when I read the article where she'd described the incident, she said some guy had 'grabbed her arm' and then 'pulled her hair.' I'm sure it was a bad experience- but it certainly wasn't "sexual assault."

Shortly thereafter, a middle-aged actor stated while all unwanted sexual advances are wrong, there actually is a difference between a lewd remark and a violent attack- and commenters were ready to tear him apart!

What should be noticed about the numbered items above: they were also common "features" in what became mass hysteria over child sexual abuse decades ago.

Also, the criminal justice system is so screwed-up that it should be torn down and rebuilt on common sense. Juries can be fallible- honest mistakes or personal biases; and juries do not always get the facts if one side is trying to conceal the facts. How many innocent people have been convicted ("found guilty") of crimes they didn't commit, incarcerated, and even executed?! While the system is supposed to be based on "finding" someone guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt," too often it doesn't work that way.

 

[Pepper]

Little kids behave better than we do. Shame!

 

[rgp]

I don't even know who this guy Weinstein is, but comments throughout this thread could apply to the subject in general, and the first I encountered it was a few years ago when the accusations were against B. Cosby, and shortly thereafter, the "#metoo movement.":

1. People everywhere were ready to figuratively 'fry' Cosby before a trial date was even set. In the minds of the masses, "accused" automatically means "guilty."

2. If it hasn't happened yet, it probably will- if you dare to even suggest an accused might not be guilty, you yourself can fall under attack: you'll be accused of "protecting perpetrators," and you may even hear the insinuation 'maybe you've done those things yourself.'

3. On the subject of sex crimes, facts "don't" matter, at least not as much as a person's "perceptions." When the #metoo movement was starting (or at least the first I heard of it), a headline stated an actress had been sexually assaulted when she was only 17 years old. My initial reaction- similar to what I figure for most people- 'Geez, that poor girl, it must have been horrible!!!' But when I read the article where she'd described the incident, she said some guy had 'grabbed her arm' and then 'pulled her hair.' I'm sure it was a bad experience- but it certainly wasn't "sexual assault."

Shortly thereafter, a middle-aged actor stated while all unwanted sexual advances are wrong, there actually is a difference between a lewd remark and a violent attack- and commenters were ready to tear him apart!

What should be noticed about the numbered items above: they were also common "features" in what became mass hysteria over child sexual abuse decades ago.

Also, the criminal justice system is so screwed-up that it should be torn down and rebuilt on common sense. Juries can be fallible- honest mistakes or personal biases; and juries do not always get the facts if one side is trying to conceal the facts. How many innocent people have been convicted ("found guilty") of crimes they didn't commit, incarcerated, and even executed?! While the system is supposed to be based on "finding" someone guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt," too often it doesn't work that way.

Well said, and i agree........Good post !

 

[Buckeye]

Just matching insult for insult....And you sir are the one that lead us down that road.

And again, I never said a thing about the jury's job. I said, if you would learn to read , that I disagreed with their decision. And that i was dismayed in the fact that there was no real evidence presented.

{sigh} for the last time, corroborated testimony IS real evidence. The jury hears it, and then decides. Harvey and you lose. End of story.

We can renew this conversation after the Harvey trial in California if you like. Until then, I let you have the last word.

 

[peppermint]

Stop the music, It's hurting my ears....
Not for nothing, I'm not watching TV, cause it's all here/say right now.....The weather here is lousy....
Who cares about an old guy who got away with almost murder....He's going to jail and won't live where he is going to..Smash!!!!! Gone!!!
I'm worrying about our Country right now.....We are indoors.....We are over the number's....That means we are not youngster's.....
So please let's be nice here.....We all are in a predicament...Mostly anyway, if you are not, then good for you....
My kids can't even be here...Too far....their kids have to stay home and go on the computer to play school!!!!
So I asked my son, he is an administrator in a school, if something goes wrong with me and Dad can you come and get us....???
Will the school give you permission....He then texted back....Of course Mom, don't worry about stuff like that....
We are 6 states away from them and we won't take a plane...unless most of this stuff will go away.....
I'm yining....Not drinking wine!!!!!!
Be well, every one!!!!!

 

[rgp]

{sigh} for the last time, corroborated testimony IS real evidence. The jury hears it, and then decides. Harvey and you lose. End of story.

We can renew this conversation after the Harvey trial in California if you like. Until then, I let you have the last word.

What & or who, corroborated this testimony you speak of?......It was nothing more than he said/she said....Again, where is the corroboration? What you call testimony, I call nothing more than good acting, on the witness stand, by actors........which is exactly what many of these women are/were.

 

[rgp]

Stop the music, It's hurting my ears....
Not for nothing, I'm not watching TV, cause it's all here/say right now.....The weather here is lousy....
Who cares about an old guy who got away with almost murder....He's going to jail and won't live where he is going to..Smash!!!!! Gone!!!
I'm worrying about our Country right now.....We are indoors.....We are over the number's....That means we are not youngster's.....
So please let's be nice here.....We all are in a predicament...Mostly anyway, if you are not, then good for you....
My kids can't even be here...Too far....their kids have to stay home and go on the computer to play school!!!!
So I asked my son, he is an administrator in a school, if something goes wrong with me and Dad can you come and get us....???
Will the school give you permission....He then texted back....Of course Mom, don't worry about stuff like that....
We are 6 states away from them and we won't take a plane...unless most of this stuff will go away.....
I'm yining....Not drinking wine!!!!!!
Be well, every one!!!!!

"Who cares about an old guy who got away with almost murder.... "

LOL....when was there any mention of "almost murder" [what ever that is]......in this case?

 

[Sunny]

rpg, what "evidence" would you expect to find years after sexual assaults? A tiny bit of semen, lurking in the woman's body?

With an overwhelming number of women all swearing that they have had the same, or similar, experiences, the evidence is overwhelming that he was guilty. Of course he was guilty; you know it as well as the rest of us. Why are you defending this monster? Just to get an argument going?

 

[Pepper]

What & or who, corroborated this testimony you speak of?......It was nothing more than he said/she said....Again, where is the corroboration? What you call testimony, I call nothing more than good acting, on the witness stand, by actors........which is exactly what many of these women are/were.

What motive would so many women have to collude against one man who provided so much employment? Since you're speculating, would you speculate on that?

 

[rgp]

rpg, what "evidence" would you expect to find years after sexual assaults? A tiny bit of semen, lurking in the woman's body?

With an overwhelming number of women all swearing that they have had the same, or similar, experiences, the evidence is overwhelming that he was guilty. Of course he was guilty; you know it as well as the rest of us. Why are you defending this monster? Just to get an argument going?

Not at all......I do not believe that just the word of one, or 20 women from decades ago should be evidence enough to take a mans freedom. You call it an overwhelming number, I call it 'jumping on the band wagon'. And perhaps more importantly, these women were IMO all part of the casting couch 'game' that is played to promote/further their careers . Where is the evidence that he ever forced himself on anyone? I'm not saying he never had sex with any of them, but I believe him when he says it was consensual ...coerced or not. Coercing someone into anything is not a crime, and whom ever it is that finally agrees, is just as culpable as the other party , as to what eventually takes place .

It is IMO nothing more than a horrible case of buyers remorse.

Did you hear the testimony of the woman that said....[he forced me to watch him take a shower] How do you force anyone to watch anything? Close your eyes, leave....but no, she wanted her part of the deal, so she watched. Or how about the one, that 'dated' him after the date of the so-called 'offence' date, then wanted to introduce him to her mother!....And keep in mind, many of these accusations go back decades.

Is the guy a creep ?....LOL...to the max....but my question all along has been. Are we now incarcerating people for being creeps?

Hell, there's probably people here on SF that think I'm a creep....for my argument here.....should I be in prison?

 

[rgp]

What motive would so many women have to collude against one man who provided so much employment? Since you're speculating, would you speculate on that?

Much of it is IMO, some sort of remorse on their part, for their actions, just be successful . They sold their asses out, just to be a star. And I also think it was fueled by the 'me-too' movement.

Then there is the 15 minutes of limelight , and the criminal proceedings set up a basis for libel, in a civil lawsuit. The guy is worth millions personally, and his company even more-so.