6 Atlanta police officers charged after students pulled from car and shot with stun-guns
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fuzzybuddy
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About those FBI crime reports. Those statistics are forwarded to the FBI, from police organizations on a voluntary basis. So, if your organization has problem, there's no need to brag about them.
I worked in a psychiatric hospital. You don't have any idea how strange your day can be. The stories I have............. Now, those things happened with staff, and medications, in a hospital. Not all people have psych problems, what I'm getting at is how unpredictable, weird, and out right crazy people are. But what happens when people are free to do whatever they want, to whomever they want, with whatever they want. Cops come across that situations all the time. Some cops can't handle the authority of the job. And I believe they are totally under trained for the job. Today, a kid can graduate high school, and in a couple of months, he's on the streets with a badge. How in the hell is he supposed to deal with that mess we call "civilization".? On the job training? That only perpetuates bad habits. That's the reason there are cops kneeling on people's throats. If I were God, I would have them have four years of college, with specialized 'police' courses. Then when they graduate, we pay them well, and insist on continuing education.
I worked in a psychiatric hospital. You don't have any idea how strange your day can be. The stories I have............. Now, those things happened with staff, and medications, in a hospital. Not all people have psych problems, what I'm getting at is how unpredictable, weird, and out right crazy people are. But what happens when people are free to do whatever they want, to whomever they want, with whatever they want. Cops come across that situations all the time. Some cops can't handle the authority of the job. And I believe they are totally under trained for the job. Today, a kid can graduate high school, and in a couple of months, he's on the streets with a badge. How in the hell is he supposed to deal with that mess we call "civilization".? On the job training? That only perpetuates bad habits. That's the reason there are cops kneeling on people's throats. If I were God, I would have them have four years of college, with specialized 'police' courses. Then when they graduate, we pay them well, and insist on continuing education.
JaniceM
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rgp
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Do you actually think, anyone can interact with the public, from a position of authority for any period of time. And not acquire complaints, along the way ?
fuzzybuddy
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One of the telling things was when the cops surrounded the suspects car, and he began recording them; the cops yelled "He got a gun. He got a gun" . Mistakenly seeing a "gun" 40 feet away -maybe. But when the suspect is sitting 6 inches from you, on the other side of car window. No way!!! That's pure BS and covering your ass.
And just because someone may be violating a law, that does not entitle cops to act like lawbreakers.
And just because someone may be violating a law, that does not entitle cops to act like lawbreakers.
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rgp
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Ya know 911, I was thinking just the other day ........ I kinda wish all the police across the nation would just take a week off. See what that leads too, and just how the masses would like it ?
I mean, what the hell, it seems like they ... protesters . [in large part] {OK vocal part} take the side of the criminal anyway.
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rgp
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" Until then, they are suspects. Police officers do not determine innocence or guilt; that's the court's job."
Exactly .... and neither do they suspects get to determine guilt or innocence. Which is why they are compelled to surrender to the arrest , [under suspicion] and let the system [courts] determine their guilt or innocence . Resisting arrest and fighting with the police is just silly and stupid .... not to mention dangerous for both sides.
That's not the only method used by some cops to justify brutality:
How many times has a cop shot someone who had no weapon, then later they say, "He made a furtive movement with his hand." It usually works.....as long as the suspect is dead, so he can't argue the point. Then, other cops back him up & he's home free.
And, in this case it's also a complete fabrication. Once a suspect is handcuffed & in a police car, the game is over. These psychos pulled him out of their car, put him on the ground & choked him until he died. Where was the "Resisting arrest and fighting?" except in your imagination & desperation to justify what these scumbags did?
rgp
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" Where was the "Resisting arrest and fighting?" "
I don't know, I wasn't there ... were you ?
You just can't make a post without the childish personal attacks ..... can you ?
Lewkat
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Passing counterfeit money is breaking the law. A federal law at that.
Knowingly passing counterfeit money is a federal offense. Unknowingly and your victim.
Warrigal
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Warrigal
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Not every issue, fmdog. I've seen footage of Australian journalists who were just doing their job being assaulted by law enforcement in US. In Australia journalists doing their job have had their homes or offices raided by federal police. This is deliberate intimidation and an assault on freedom of the press. Create enough fear and people won't complain or attempt to defend themselves.
Report of the US incident, with video.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...ulted-police-george-floyd-protesters/12312056
grahamg
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I do remember a documentary programme, where a very young white boy was asked how he felt about the victim, whilst having committed murder robbing his liquor store? The boy said, "He's just one more dead liquor store owner!", showing quite obviously an inability to feel remorse, but I'd have to say too, a pathological make up, and you'd have thought too, a dreadful upbringing, (if such a mentality can be understood.).
Now we all know passing fake bills is yes a crime, if you knew you were doing it obviously, (how do they manage to get anyone to accept the bills springs to mind, as they can surely be checked?), but it is a world away from justifying what happened to this man, who the officer knew, and the officers around him may have known, and only the public tried to help it seems.
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Lewkat
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Try telling that to the Feds.
grahamg
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How do you think you know you've never passed on counterfeit currency, or simply tried to use a coin in a country you didn't realise wasn't legal tender in that country, (as I've tried to do with something that looked like a 10p coin - about a nickel in your currency)?
DaveA
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I may have had it passed to me and passed it on without ever being aware of it? Some places use a marker that's supposed to detect a fake bill.
Never had a problem. personally, and just receive and pass on bills as part of my everyday life.
Are you making any assumption as to whether the fellow was innocently passing along a bill, unaware that it was counterfeit or that he was doing it as a criminal enterprise? I surely don't know but see the passing of the bill and his demise as two separate discussions.
Anyone in their right mind doesn't imagine death being the sentence for passing a 10 or 20 dollar bill, however, if the bill hadn't been passed, the fellow would, today, most likely be home with his family as are the rest of us.
I'll leave it to others to decide if the bill (or bills) was or was not passed with criminal intent.
Never had a problem. personally, and just receive and pass on bills as part of my everyday life.
Are you making any assumption as to whether the fellow was innocently passing along a bill, unaware that it was counterfeit or that he was doing it as a criminal enterprise? I surely don't know but see the passing of the bill and his demise as two separate discussions.
Anyone in their right mind doesn't imagine death being the sentence for passing a 10 or 20 dollar bill, however, if the bill hadn't been passed, the fellow would, today, most likely be home with his family as are the rest of us.
I'll leave it to others to decide if the bill (or bills) was or was not passed with criminal intent.
grahamg
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I dont think I was making any assumption about criminal intent, if I'm being referred to, and I imagine it isnt the easiest thing to establish one way or the other, I was simply responding to these comments,: Comment 1. "Knowingly passing counterfeit money is a federal offense. Unknowingly and you're victim." .... followed by, Comment 2. "Try telling that to the Feds."
Its too easy to reduce the matter to, "It could have happened to anyone"!
DaveA
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"Its too easy to reduce the matter to, "It could have happened to anyone"!"
If that's your thought, so be it, but the above are your words, not mine.
If that's your thought, so be it, but the above are your words, not mine.
grahamg
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Quite, but am I alone do you think?
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Butterfly
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Quite, but am I alone do you think?
Well, it could have happened to me. I'm not in the habit of scrutinizing money I have; I hardly even look at it except to see the denomination. I probably wouldn't even recognize conterfeit, unless it were a totally crappy counterfeit job. Does anybody really scrutinize the cash they get in change at a store except to see if it's the correct amount?
Of course any of us could unknowingly pass counterfeit money. As Butterfly says, who inspects their cash to see if it is "genuine?" (I wouldn't know the difference unless it was a really lousy counterfeiting job.)
This discussion about whether Floyd was a noble, perfectly honest man or a petty criminal is a red herring. The only important fact in this case is the fact that a cop murdered a suspect (I guess he was a suspect) instead of safely bringing him in. The "counterfeit" argument is as phony as all this weeping and wailing about how evil the "looters" are.
Yes, looting is wrong. I wish these jerks wouldn't jump at the opportunity to steal stuff. It deflects attention from the real issue, and weakens their case. They are stupid young people, and are behaving stupidly. But that, again, is not the issue. All these attempts to deflect attention are right out of the rulebook of you-know-who. Quick, you've been caught red-handed doing something egregious? Hurry up, come up with another issue that you can get people to focus on.
This discussion about whether Floyd was a noble, perfectly honest man or a petty criminal is a red herring. The only important fact in this case is the fact that a cop murdered a suspect (I guess he was a suspect) instead of safely bringing him in. The "counterfeit" argument is as phony as all this weeping and wailing about how evil the "looters" are.
Yes, looting is wrong. I wish these jerks wouldn't jump at the opportunity to steal stuff. It deflects attention from the real issue, and weakens their case. They are stupid young people, and are behaving stupidly. But that, again, is not the issue. All these attempts to deflect attention are right out of the rulebook of you-know-who. Quick, you've been caught red-handed doing something egregious? Hurry up, come up with another issue that you can get people to focus on.